Traitors?

[Owayn The Traveller]

Okay from what we know of the war of power some high ranking goodies turned coat and inlisted on the dark one competing team. I know that there was no bad side before the bore and that in this war there was bad guys left over from the last conflict and they kept the dakd side ticking over. My question is how come we havent seen to many people changing sides this time around, like major players. Sammael, demandred and ishy were all prominent figures in there day. Does any one think we might be in for a shock in the future and not just some minor characters. Logain, some aes sedai maybe.

[PrncRny]

I've actually been thinking about that for some time now. I have no idea who or when, but in my mind, I agree with you. It's only a matter of time.

[Druugan]

I've been thinking for a while that it would be cool to see one of the original Emond's Fielders flip over to the Dark One.

 

Let's see....

 

Rand:  Well, this would be the suck for the world... so let's pretend we didn't even think about it.

Mat:  I really like Mat, so his betrayal would hurt quite a lot.  I don't see it happening though.  He wants to get away from it all though and wants nothing to do the power or glory.  I really don't see him flipping sides.

Egwene:  If she switched sides she'd just end up getting caught by the forces of the Light and she'd cry a little and the guilt would make her switch back.  Don't see it happening.

Nyneave:  I used to consider her switching sides quite a bit.  Especially since her early motivation for being AS was to learn enough about the OP to take down Moiraine for what she did to the Emond's Fielders.  She hasn't really thought on this line for a while though, especially since Moiraine left the picture and she married Lan.  So I don't really see it happening so much anymore... unless maybe Lan gets killed and she holds that against Moiraine as well when/if she makes a reappearance.  So... maybe.

Perrin:  The most likely candidate in my opinion.  Based on his own thoughts during Faile's imprisonment.  He's gotten closer and closer to the point where if he had to chose between serving the Dark One and watching Faile die, he'd choose the former.  I feel he's the most likely candidate of the original Emond's Fielders to betray everyone.

 

So my money's on Perrin.  But there's already a thread devoted to speculating about Perrin turning to the Shadow here:

http://forums.dragonmount.com/index.php/topic,56681.0.html.

 

I don't think there's a thread talking about Nyneave going to the Shadow though... and she's my second choice as far as likely candidates; however she's me first choice for which I would want to see make that choice.

[Tom Sawyer]

I'm going to go with that gleeman that Rand had for a while - Natael or whatever.  There's something I don't quite trust about that guy.

 

[Mat Comes With The Dawn]

Unfortunately I can't see any of the main characters turning to the shadow. Except Perrin, since he's become a robot that could be easily manipulated (if he weren't already being manipulated by Faile, who would be more capable than Perrin if she weren't playing the damsel in distress half the time). As said before, Nynaeve might for the same reasons.

 

Everyone else easily could turn to the shadow, but it really wouldn't be that shocking. Hell, I think Min already had a viewing of Bashere that may hint of this.

[Owayn The Traveller]

I'm going to go with that gleeman that Rand had for a while - Natael or whatever.  There's something I don't quite trust about that guy.

 

 

Am? Is this irony?

[kivo]

I'm going to go with that gleeman that Rand had for a while - Natael or whatever.  There's something I don't quite trust about that guy.

 

 

Nah, I heard Lanfear had Slayer kill him *ducks and runs away*

[Yizun]

I'm going to go with that gleeman that Rand had for a while - Natael or whatever.  There's something I don't quite trust about that guy.

 

 

Hahaha. Made me lol. Well played my friend. Well played.

[Luckers]

The answer is history. In the Age of Legends the Light was the entrenched thing, and thus people would make it to the heights before thinking 'hmmm... maybe...' Modern days though the Shadow is known and has been from birth. The option of becoming a Darkfriend is as old as anything in the world, and thus those inclined tend to do so earlier on.

 

 

Alviarin, Galina--influential Aes Sedai, women who would be 'leaders against the Shadow' but they did not turn at the last because they already had. Same goes amongst nobles. Barthanes, Weiramon, etc.

[Owayn The Traveller]

The answer is history. In the Age of Legends the Light was the entrenched thing, and thus people would make it to the heights before thinking 'hmmm... maybe...' Modern days though the Shadow is known and has been from birth. The option of becoming a Darkfriend is as old as anything in the world, and thus those inclined tend to do so earlier on.

 

 

Alviarin, Galina--influential Aes Sedai, women who would be 'leaders against the Shadow' but they did not turn at the last because they already had. Same goes amongst nobles. Barthanes, Weiramon, etc.

Yes i understand that and I think I tried to explain that but just not as eloquently as that or even decipherable as that but surely someone must be thinking to themselves 'if you cant beat them join them'.

 

Another question wa\s Weiramon the tairen lord who was at the meeting of darkfriends along with the man bors? Or is it someone that hasn't revealed themselves yet?

[Astus]

I'm wondering if there will be any turncoats on the side of the Dark. It can't all be black and white.

[Luckers]

I think Ingtar qualifies for that. Fain too, but in an icky way.

 

I remember an old theory about how Graendal was a double agent. It was brilliantly convoluted--wrong, of course, but incredibly clever for all that. It made same excellent points about just how real her hedonism is--points which are still valid, for all that they don't spell out her coming to play on the side of the Light.

[Owayn The Traveller]

Is there any possibility of any one turning from the dark side? I can't think of anyone maybe cyndane/lanfear? Moridin maybe.

[DemandredFO]

I could easily see Egwene turning, doubt it will happen but I could easily see it.  I actually could see her as a potential Lanfear, in the ambition is all category.  I think perrin could turn and might without the wolves.  The rest of the main ones very unlikely.  What I'd like to know is are any the other Emonds Fielders, the actual townspeople darkfriens.  The only one I really couldn't take is Tam, though I seriously doubt that he could be one.  I could also see gawyn being one; gawyn and Perrin are the most likely.

[bubbified]

Ishy only went DF because he didnt see a way to win permanently.  And rand keeps talking about his wild boast of killing the dark one, and they share some connection now, and they are both geniuses with the power, and rand has all his genius, and all LTT's genius now.  So if rand temps ishy with the idea of killing the DO, and him and ishy get thier heads together... ya it WOULD happen for sure if rand had a tempting plan to offer.

 

Also, we see how this age had something that could kill the essence of evel/DO that was in rands side.  If we got some genius channlers saying "well, if the evil of man can kill the evil of the DO...".  Anyway, there might be things that obviously havent been considered yet to temp ishy with.

 

Wonder if lanfear had a plan ready to go in her head to use the koden kal(spelling?) since she talked about defeating the DO with it, and she also was one of the ones made the bore I thought.  So if lanfear ishy and rand got together what could they come up with? and ishy controls her now so...Basically rand is one good conversation with Ishy away from winning permanently, and he can have that conversation anytime in his head thanks to their new link.  Is there already a thread about this anywhere?

 

I'd say egwene if they got her earlier on, but I dont think the DO can offer her anymore power than she percieves herself to have now.  In her own mind she is absolutely the most important person in the world now.

 

Not nynave or gwayn, Ny would never because she would inherit lans hatred of the shadow if nothing else. Gwayn because he is confused about what faction he is on, not what side he is on.

 

I would say Perrin because he's an idiot about his wife enough to deal with the DO if she's in danger, except that min see's sparks filling a void around him rand and mat that seems to imply that they 3 (and a couple others who had the sparks) are meant to fight the void.  She also sees him leading an ocean of wolves to battle or something, and wolves wouldnt fight for the DO.

 

Someone gave a nice explanation about how hardly anyone will who hasnt already because of the chance they've had all thier lives to do it.  But, apparently there were no black sisters pre-trolloc wars, but "even among AS there are those who feel despair" or something like that.  If AS turned of thier own free will during the trolloc wars, I'm sure some will turn this time around too.