Shadow over Fiddlesmouth Game Thread [GAME OVER, TOWN WINS]

[Naeann]

Several pages later....

 

Ugh... That happened to quickly. Alys just for your peace of mind and since others have already gone this far. My dead corpse was robbed. I had not used anything at the time. I don't think I had posted after DPR so this is going to be interesting once I go and re-read everything.

 

I don't think we should have lynched Thorum that quickly, yes he is probably scum. However I do think we should have payed more attention to the PR's. I'll make a nice long post later. Especially analyzing DPR and Alys... more was going on than the surface shows. There is a lot going on and I'll try to catch it all. See you all in a bit.

 

Thorum, mafia, dies.

 

Well I think it is safe to assume that the vessel isn't mafia and so they have that win condition. So let us speculate. Can the finder identify the Vessel? If so they're an equal threat staying alive as the mafia is. I am going to assume the second condition has to do with the relics. Either they need a certain relic or a set of relics. I am going to assume some relics are expendable and others aren't. Now...

 

I'm not sure how much we can talk about relics, however I think it only refers to any that we might have.

 

I don't know how or under what conditions I came back, but I would like to assume it was a relic and not a persons role. That being said, I don't think this was a one time use relic. Or that the person who had it was way to scared of getting it stolen. The reason I say this is because I think I would be a terrible person to resurrect. You should all agree: I'm new, play weird, and wasn't very valuable to the town being vanilla. I also don't think many people think I have much in the way when it comes to skill with this game *Shrugs* That and the lynch there are no hard feelings for. Like others have said clean slate right?

 

Relics are unique and an important aspect to this game. The mafia are going to try and confuse us about their alternate win condition. I would guess a set of 3 relics. I'm not that familiar with this theme so if anyone has some clues as to what they would be please help.

I had a thought about the known-only-to-mafia win condition too...

 

Meaning I think they need all the relics for that second win condition.

 

 

We need to talk more about this.

 

 

I've re-read the PM's so I think I'm in bounds here -  I PM'd Kivam to claim any relics that Al had after he got lynched (Ironically, I did this only after Kivam posted to remind everybody that they could...  :P )

 

Whatever happened next was not important...it really didn't matter...and was certainly not important. I can't really say anything other than that...

two. you successfully steal from a player. you are the first. you get the relic. but wait! you were targeted, so the targeter (player c- third holder ) keeps it. all you get is info on the relic and a note saying it was stolen.

I got the relic from[/] him - he can confirm that (since he doesn't lie...)

 

And that relic did not kill or revive anybody. Not even close.

Yeah, I can explain it.

 

1. As per her admission. Alys stole from yesterday. She got a used relic in return - which is amazing - THAT IT WAS USED - and that I can't talk about it.

 

Wonder who else knew I couldn't talk about it...

 

2. Then, magically, Alys whips up all kinds of mysterious drama trying to frame me.

 

3. And what do you know? I appear to have voted for Alys, even though I never cast that vote. And it looks like I can't change it..

 

So, and I'm just reaching here, I'd say Alys is making a move to knock me out of the game?

 

1. I was lynched

2. DPR PM'ed in to steal from my corpse (I never posted after him)

3. Since it was taking from a corpse it was an immediate action.

4. DPR got an unused relic and used it.

5. Alys stole it and found it used/empty.

 

I have no problems toeing this line hopefully a warning will come before lightning bolts. Alys I can't answer your question because I don't know the answer to your question. However if I had to deduce things along with what I looked up I would nod right now.

 

 

Ok, now that is done with I can talk about the interaction between you two. I don't think this was 'staged' however it did come across poorly. Alys anyone taking their time could have figured out what you were hinting at, being open would have been less... confusing and dramatic. Those two things are mafia tactics. However I'm inclined to believe that you're innocent for now. DPR... meh, you lie. You have changed your mind and have made false statements. Nothing horrible that indicates mafia just your play style, right now I don't trust you.

 

The Aemon, Verbal, Nae thing... Pointless posts.

 

Pookie: Simple PR, didn't keep him from posting his opinions.

 

Quibby posted earlier about people who were defending Thorum it was a good post that I'll resurrect tomorrow.

 

I won't comment to your first one, it got me lynched yesterday.

 

Well this time I agree Alys, however mafia players do weird things all the time. Sometimes really obvious things that you just know they wouldn't do and then they get away with it. Take nothing for granted right? As for how people thought that... You both were talking secretly about something and everyone was to curious about the secret to actually read what you were posting. Bars with nothing worthwhile, pirates, etc. Plus earlier, night one, DPR posted saying you two had talked about the mafia's unknown win condition however I saw no such posts. I can go and get the quote if you want. Either way I think it was and is reasonable of people.

 

For me, I wonder why you would trust anything DPR would tell you. What if he would have said it did bring me back to life? Could anyone really argue with that? Well I could but we have to tip toe things and stave off boogie men...

 

 

Now last one, I'm assuming he has something to hide. You were really vague when you started questioning him and he took a little while to catch on and went reading all over to find what you were talking about. Plus how would he know he could trust you? As it is I am inclined to think DPR isn't town aligned.

 

 

 

[Alys Kinch]

nae, i think too far back. try up a few pages. it should be at top or 5 posts down.

 

dpr, that is exactly what i mean about glossing over danya's double vote.

 

and i already said why i keep directing at quibs.

 

nae, poor word choice about anox "knowing" i lied.

[Alys Kinch]

nae, page 93 for you. one before or after at most.

[Naeann]

Yeah those are back just after he res'd.  I'm gonna start editing them to just include stuff about the relics i think.  He doesn't post often but when he does its in answer to 500 things between his last post.

 

 

About the Anox thing.. me saying that about her "knowing"?  Or her saying that?  I was confused about her whole thing there.  She claimed to know you lied and that Pete confirmed it.  Kivam stated that you didn't actually lie(about that) because he really did forget to tell you.  I simply asked Anox how she knew you were lying about the relic.  (with her saying Pete confirmed you were lying)  I have no idea if you are lying about anything else and will spare you having to say the generic "im not lying, im an innocent" stuff. :p

[Pookie]

Well, I'm running down the road

tryin' to loosen my load

I've got seven women on my mind,

Four that wanna own me,

Two that wanna stone me,

One says she's a friend of mine

 

Don't read too much into the lyric this time.  I'm short on time again today and wanted to post so picked the first song to come to mind.  :P

 

I think my day one ping list is mostly still relevant, so I'll share.  I apologize for a lack of thorough detailing as to why these people pinged me, but like I said, short on time and a request was made for info like this. 

MCS and Anox for typical day 1 unsubstantiated votes when our day 1 wasn't typical and we had enough information to make some decisions.  They also provided no info and discussed no theories.  There was a certain amount of following the crowd from both of them, but that did leave them both on Thorum at the end of the day so I didn't persue anything since then. 

Minor pings on Danya and Alanna for using the "it's day 1" excuses, but they gave me nothing else to suspect them.

Ed.  He's Ed and nearly always pings me.

Al.  He was my first serious vote.

I didn't know what to make of DPR or Alys and had them both on my "watch" list.  First game with both of them for me, so that's not surprising.

 

I've found Anox's posts the last day or so abrasive and defensive and her trust of Pete and knowledge about "Alys is lying" makes me highly suspicious, but for now I'm going to vote [glow=red,2,300]MCS[/glow] because his posts today and especially post 589 that Nae posted ping me more.

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

I am gambit crazed. *Cries*

 

Alys I don't know why the little lie would be a big deal. I figured you were trying to fish out whoever stole the used relic because you had some kind of plan for it. Like the needing of the relics to fulfill a second win condition theory.

 

I also have an agreement with another player to keep them around to endgame in any game we play together.

 

[Naeann]

You can view me, but like I said I'm innocent. I do have a role now, not that important. To the best of my knowledge I am not in any type of cult. However I don't know if it is some time delay thing. This resurrection thing seems to powerful for the town so there must be a balance... It may be the sacrifice theory, does anyone who knows the literature have an opinion of how this compares?

 

Aside from that the quick thing that I want to say before going to work is this. I didn't have either of the two relics so I can speculate all I want.

 

There is a pair of relics that need to be used together. They are Anti-town and are involved in summoning the evil God. I think this means the vessel when all the cult members are dead. I'm not sure how the two relics need to be used however I have a dreadful feeling that they are both in mafia hands right now. I think Alys had one then Pookie stole it, which in turn was stolen from him. Quibby had the other one. Anyone have any ideas on how to counter this? I might have more information to add, but I'll have to ask Kivam.

 

Lavinya, DPR might also be a good target. However beware that they might have a role re-director. It's your choice, good luck tonight. Also Barm I am suspicious of your last few posts as well. I will look into it.

 

 

I stated that it is my guess that they need a set and to use/activate it before they all die. I can't talk about what I had, but I can say what I don't have. I have no idea about a set of three items. It is a pure and wild guess that just seems like a possible and probable idea. Unless the relics are just around to cause confusion, which I doubt I think they serve as an integral part of this game.

 

Don’t forget that Kivy says that no one can answer the pro town part. Which really bites, I might add.

 

I don't remember this, so thank you for the warning. Can you please post what you have learned about what we can and can't talk about?

 

What all do we suspect these relics can do? I attribute my resurrection to one of those relics. I'm not sure if the player who used it knew that would happen or not. I doubt someone has the ability to resurrect every night. Additionally I would have been a very poor choice to resurrect being a 'newbie' and a vanilla townie. So I think that it was a relic that they were afraid would get stolen or didn't know it's power.

 

Other things like the 10 instead of 13 votes... I think yes part of it was a relic ability. Are all relics expendable or are some... usable items?[/blue] However I do think there was a double voter or otherwise on my lynch. *Laughs at that*

 

Really they can do anything and everything possibly we can't talk about things we do know so we need to find a loop hole in this rule somehow to start figuring things out.

[Naeann]

Those were all from him.. I just had a quote fail.

[Naeann]

To let everyone know. I was resurrected innocent but not the same as I was before. Re-evaluate everyone when they are resurrected. It isn't into a cult or anything... unless it changes later in the game. I again think this has to do with the Relics. I'm not sure exactly what all of this will entail. It isn't a reanimation. Does anyone know more about this theme and what that could entail.

 

Summary

 

Cyäegha is an obscure Great Old One and is characterized by its supreme nihilism and utter contempt for all things. The being appears as a great, black-bodied, green eye surrounded by a mass of tentacles. Cyäegha is served by toad-like monsters known as the Nagäae (possibly a derivative of "Nagae").

 

Cyäegha has existed since the dawn of time and sleeps in a vast cavern under the (probably fictitious) mountain Dunkelhügel, the "Dark Hill", in Germany. The inhabitants of the nearby farming village of Freihausgarten are descended from a cult that once worshipped Cyäegha. Cyäegha's worshippers draw upon the deity for vitality but also greatly fear awakening the god for its wrath is said to be terrible.

 

Cult

 

Cyäegha's cult became active in the town of Freihausgarten in the 17th century and remained so well into the 19th century. In 1860, the cult was disbanded by a young priest who died while battling it. Even so, once a month on the night of the full moon, the descendants of the former cultists are drawn to Dark Hill by a hypnotic, telepathic pull from Cyäegha. Once there, they are compelled to climb Dark Hill and perform a ritual that both appeases and binds Cyäegha. However, despite performing this ritual every month without fail, the villagers are not even aware that they practice the rite, and continue to fear the mountain and ordinarily avoid it.

 

The five Vaeyen

 

Cyäegha is both protected and imprisoned by five lesser demons known as the Vaeyen. They are "The Green Moon", "The White Fire Which Is Darker Than The Night", "The Winged Woman", "The White Dark Which Is More Red Than The Fire" and "The Black Light". The spirits of these guardians are contained in five vulturine statues which Cyäegha's worshippers use to keep their god in check.

 

Other aspects

 

Cyäegha is an earth elemental and is said to be a cousin to Nyogtha, another earth elemental. Cyäegha is also believed to be related to the Great Old One Othuyeg, because each appear alike and have similar habits. Like all the other Derlethian earth elementals, Cyäegha is adversely affected by the Ankh or Crux Ansata, the Vach-Viraj ritual, and the Tikkoun Elixir. References to Cyäegha are found in the Necronomicon, the Unaussprechlichen Kulten, the R'lyeh Text and its German translation Liyuhh, the Cthäat Aquadingen, and a few more obscure grimoires.

 

I bolded information I thought was important. I was resurrected. I don't know if this would tie into the unknowingly preforming a ritual thing... Just keep it in mind if it keeps happening. The relics might need so many worshipers at the time of the last cultists death to work. I'm extrapolating here and probably driving away from core truths.

 

 

[Naeann]

That is as far as I would go Alys. No point in showing us where the line is.

 

I thought I might have something new to share with you...

 

However you seem to have already read this. You are right they could be relics. And if they are usable relics that exist you are right it probably wouldn't be wise to use them independently.

 

*Brings a giant metal pole and sticks it far away from everyone, they eyes the sky*

 

Should be good... hopefully.

 

 

Anyone have any idea what he meant there in the green?

 

Wombat and I were resurrected, and have healthy vitals now. I know I am innocent, but it says the people are unknowing. I would be wary if this trend of resurrections continue. We might be part of the town, but we could be furthering the Mafia's second objective. I think we are being killed ritualistically and when we are resurrected we are unwitting pawns. There is a set of two relics that can be used to summon the evil God (I think, haven't had anything aside from others comments) who might need certain things to be in order for it to happen. The vessel might be a host. However the other win condition is singular in the OP meaning they only have to meet one criteria... I agree with the thought of all the relics being used.

 

Clue! --> 5 Mafia members?

 

Aside from all that though we are still playing mafia and need to remember to think about scum. I have my suspicions right now.

 

The vote thing is to powerful for an ability unless we have insane roles to. So I think it was a relic.

 

I think that DPR and Barmacal are mafia right now. I have suspicions of another. Either way that is who I'll be looking at tomorrow. Prepare yourselves or kill me.

 

 

Kinda funny that this comment was one of the last things he said before being killed again.

 

 

 

 

[DPR]

 

*sighs*

 

You know how I left a billboard for you in the last game, letting you know that I would recruit you? You know how I like to leave funny little things in the posts? Like clues and such...

 

You know? 

[DPR]

 

Seriously, I know that there has been a little tension between the oldbies and the newbies - and that's all just silly - but there is a BIG A$$ difference in the way that some people play, and you need to go back to the classics...think, think, think!

[Naeann]

I love you Wes. :-*

[Alys Kinch]

did you see what i was talking about in the last batches??

 

thought those final comments were odd too since the 3rd was not revealed.

 

guessing you bolded the metal pole part? i caught that before, but have no clue.

 

and nae, anox said that after kiv clarified. she "knew" after the lie was mod cleared. not before. it is oddddddddd.

[Naeann]

Ah yes and I agree.  That's why I was confused that you unvoted. :P  I think so but let me go back and see what you were saying about it to be sure.

[Kivam]

Vote Count

 

DPR (1) - WWWwombat

Alys (1) - DSworn

Barm (2) - Quibby, Pandy

Anox (3) - Nae, Barm, Lavinya

MCS (2) - DPR, Pookie

 

10 to lynch

 

[Naeann]

You are saying, I think, that someone who is sending in names is causing things to happen, but thinks they are causing other things to happen. Yes?

 

No.

 

Cyäegha's worshippers draw upon the deity for vitality but also greatly fear awakening the god for its wrath is said to be terrible.

This...

 

Once there, they are compelled to climb Dark Hill and perform a ritual that both appeases and binds Cyäegha. However, despite performing this ritual every month without fail,

...and this.  Vitality is the gift received from the ritual that binds and appeases a dark God. Anyone else thinking the ritual is possibly one of sacrifice?

 

Cyäegha is both protected and imprisoned by five lesser demons known as the Vaeyen

Clue! Wait. What game are we playing?

 

Wombat and I were resurrected, and have healthy vitals now. I know I am innocent, but it says the people are unknowing. I would be wary if this trend of resurrections continue. We might be part of the town, but we could be furthering the Mafia's second objective. I think we are being killed ritualistically and when we are resurrected we are unwitting pawns. There is a set of two relics that can be used to summon the evil God (I think, haven't had anything aside from others comments) who might need certain things to be in order for it to happen. The vessel might be a host. However the other win condition is singular in the OP meaning they only have to meet one criteria... I agree with the thought of all the relics being used.

 

Clue! --> 5 Mafia members?

 

Aside from all that though we are still playing mafia and need to remember to think about scum. I have my suspicions right now.

 

The vote thing is to powerful for an ability unless we have insane roles to. So I think it was a relic.

 

Edit: Quibby any insight for us as to the nature of the relics, the mafia members, or otherwise based from the books?

 

This?  Was on page 79 for me. :P

[Alys Kinch]

i unvoted because i am good for my word. i said i would. i believe there are issues with several players and i will vote one who has support rather than be stupid stubborn about my vote.

 

no, nae. the quote (wish i could grab it for you) has three artifact names and i warn against using those specifically unless used together. they are the protown ones.

[Alys Kinch]

it was in that area though not in what you quoted. the ank, the vial, the vah-something.

[Naeann]

It is also possible for the dead to take possession of the living through rituals,

Confirmation that a suspicion could be correct.

As for guesses for what these relics might be, I had thought with Al's resurrection that somebody had a vial of Herbert West's reanimation solution.

And again. Still nothing concrete. Fun.

Kivam is an old school, traditional player. I doubt seriously that he is using the "theme" as anything other than window dressing - just like I do. In the end, speculation about the theme is pointless. You just play MAFAI, and if you stick with the basics the Town can win. Get caught up in all of the window ressing and the Mafia will win.

Except that in this case, the theme actually seems to be helping to dig up clues as to what to do. Yes, we need to concentrate on the game, but extra win scenario is going to kill us if we don’t get this right. The problem is that Lovecraft’s mythos is so vast.

 

Hey Kiv, what Alys said about getting modkilled to verify statements made me think of EY's move in your Mass Hysteria game on JN.  8)

 

Yep.  Of course, there are plenty of ways to address it without giving her any satisfaction at all  ;D

 

Secret mod NK’s. :D  Mod killing me at all after giving info actually kind of gives a clue that I might have said too much, but hey, I’m not trying to die just yet.

 

 

This.. or more specifically the part in blue?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

... As usual, I am tempted to suggest killing inactives. Or what DPR said.

[Naeann]

Augh quote fail again.

 

That.. or more specifically the part in blue.

[MsDanya]

danya had the double vote and no one has spoken about it. this bothers me greatly. otherwise, she is normal no talk play.

 

I agree with that, but I wasnt going to rub it in everyones faces, when obviously, no one found it odd at all that I voted twice in the same post, and both votes were counted. Point is, I'm not interested in abusing it, and I would like to be absolutely sure that stuff is the way they should be (as in lynching an actual bad guy) before using it. And thats the closest to a reveal that I've ever gotten, save for the very first game I played here, where I was out-played by err, whats-her-name, who counter claimed, and got me all killed, even tho I was telling the truth  :(

 

Also, I saw someone mention me (and Alanna?) "using the day 1 excuse", and I'm a bit annoyed that it should be held against me. I dont think choosing not to vote anyone is much worse than the people who vote based on which number someone is on the playerlist, or random OMGUS votes throughout the game. But I'm not gonna talk more about that, its destined to become one more useless vote-pattern discussion, and its not really helpful.

[DPR]

 

The metal pole is a lightning rod to attract the "wrath of the storm" as it approaches. The storm is inevitable...meaning part of it is already in play. A couple of relics already combined? Or maybe this will be one of Kiv's famous "it has a 33% chance of success" deals.

 

meh...

[Naeann]

Cyäegha is adversely affected by the Ankh or Crux Ansata, the Vach-Viraj ritual, and the Tikkoun Elixir.

 

Bingo!

[Naeann]

Mayhap the "ritual" was the sacrifice and revival of Al and Wombat and implying that that particular relic has been used.

 

It would go along with what DPR said.. in that events have happend that indicates the storm is already on the way. (1/3 of the events needed to summon the thingie has already happened)