Reread - I don't think I've ever found the answer to this.....

[Ironlion]

I started my re-read @ CoS onward after reading TGS.  They are a lot easier to read if you don't have to wait years in between and forget all the minor plots that are going on. 

 

Anyway, here's my question.

 

When Rand is attacking the Sanchean towards Ebou Dar there are references to all channelers that the source is "funny".  This effects Saidar and Saiden, and ultimately leads to Rand trying to defeat the Seanchan w/ Callandor and killing members of his own army.

 

Was it ever defined what was making the OP so hard to hold/behave so weird?  I thought it might be something to do with the Dark One, but even Dashiva (who I believe is Forsaken, and now dead after the cleansing) was concerned with it as well.

 

Apologies if this has been covered, but I have been unable to find what I'm looking for.  It's like everyone knows it is weird, but the cause is never explained.

 

TIA,

[somathus]

I think it was because of the recent use of the Bowl of the Winds only a couple of hundred miles away.

[SheaththeSword]

IIRC it was said that the percieved odity in saidin was said to get stronger he nearer they were to Ebou Dar. I think (and this may be complete fabrication) that one of the AM said it was worst in the City.

 

So the Bowl of the Winds would have little or nothing to do with it. Even if that hadn't simply used saidin to affect the weather - i find it difficult to imagine that that event could have affected ANYTHING to do with the source and/or access of it.

 

[Jemlin]

I am pretty darn tootin sure that some QA's with RJ confirmed it was the bowl of winds.

 

What was explained was the the Bowl of Winds, which utilized Sadair and Sadin, was strained well beyond its normal use.  It was used to change the weather world-wide, when during the AoL, it would only have been used for a district (prob the size of a few countries).  This cause the oddity that was experienced with Sadair and SAdin, beginning with Elayne's experiences when she tried to un-weave the gateway.

 

When you think about it, it makes a lot of sense, especially since the oddity was location-based and nothing else occurred there of significance and that included both sides of the OP.

 

[SheaththeSword]

Sorry, my mistake, i originally thought it was Tear as the centre of the disturbance. After going back an changing that, i did not adjust my argument. Which would then = zero (for the location part) ::)

 

Hmm it does make a kind of sense, however do you have the quote?

[Jemlin]

Try this article on Bowl of Winds:

 

http://13depository.blogspot.com/2009/02/bowls-cups-and-vases.html#bowlofwinds

[SheaththeSword]

Ok, du hast mich geconvinceirt (dats pig german btw. I just invented it  ;). I'd say u can get it, but just in case, i'm trying to say you convinced me xD).

 

Aw, is that case closed so? :(

I vote that the True Power is an anologue of the One Power and as such neither can defeat the other in a fair contest.

However, the current pattern is woven by a wheel powered by the OP, an is 'programmed' to work with the OP. It would hardly still exis after all these thousands of years if it didn't.

Therefore, any fair fight between OP and TP would have to be outside of pattern. Or in a pettern where each thread is 'programmed/powered' to work in equal halves with the OP and TP.

 

:D

[Jemlin]

Ok, du hast mich geconvinceirt (dats pig german btw. I just invented it  ;). I'd say u can get it, but just in case, i'm trying to say you convinced me xD).

 

Aw, is that case closed so? :(

I vote that the True Power is an anologue of the One Power and as such neither can defeat the other in a fair contest.

However, the current pattern is woven by a wheel powered by the OP, an is 'programmed' to work with the OP. It would hardly still exis after all these thousands of years if it didn't.

Therefore, any fair fight between OP and TP would have to be outside of pattern. Or in a pettern where each thread is 'programmed/powered' to work in equal halves with the OP and TP.

 

:D

 

Lol well its close enough in that RJ said that was the cause of the Weirdness lol  In that, the weirdness did not have anything to do with the Darkone, but was rather caused by female channelers. 

 

I don't feel we know enough about the TP to really gauge how it should be used in relation to the OP.  I am hoping we'll learn more in the next book...I do personally feel (I think like you?) that it will be a key factor in the defeat and battle of the DO.

 

 

 

[Talmanes]

The reason though that Rand couldn't couldn't control Callondor was because it needs both a man and woman to completely control.

[mb]

There were some past threads that talked about this.

 

This page also tells about the situation::

http://linuxmafia.com/jordan/2_nondark/2.3_one-power/2.3.12_op-eboudar.html

 

[HighLordXanthus]

Huh, I always assumed it was due to Elayne's mishandling of un-weaving the gateway while leaving the kin's farm.  I guess you learn something new everyday!!

[SheaththeSword]

 

I don't feel we know enough about the TP to really gauge how it should be used in relation to the OP.  I am hoping we'll learn more in the next book...I do personally feel (I think like you?) that it will be a key factor in the defeat and battle of the DO.

 

 

I read on another thread (sorry can't recall anything about it accept this..) a quote from BS which said he felt that in a dual the TP would win. Probably.

I strongly disagree. And i realise this is the guy with all the notes and the recordinga etc., but there MUST be some things, some questions and technicalities that only RJ knew in his imagination, that he hadn't necessarily written (yet) as they did not come into the plot. That is why i take every BS quote with a pinch of salt, and some sulphur. When he says for definate that he is sure, by indicating it was in the notes, only then will i take the quote as conocial.

 

Yah i sure am hoping that. I have not read tGS yet (waiting till after X-mas exams), but i have read on another thread about the part it plays....Edit: removed spoiler.

 

Infact I have a craving to find out about the intricacies of both powers, the prison, the other realities (and why Rand choosing to go to the DO in one of those possibilty-worlds did not release the DO in all worlds..hmm ???), etc etc.

 

The reason though that Rand couldn't couldn't control Callondor was because it needs both a man and woman to completely control.

That is true, and is correcting an assumption of the orignial post, but does not pertain the actual question. :P