[DPR MAFIA] The Cannibal Wars - Talya, MN & Verbal win!

[Smash]

Kiv no way in hell Im agreeing to send JVOR on another mission. No way.

[Naeann]

Well are we sure we can trust Kivam on another mission?  Pale?  Either way we need to decide or the time will be up and we will forfeit.  We have less than 12 hours to decide.

[Kivam]

Well are we sure we can trust Kivam on another mission?  Pale?  Either way we need to decide or the time will be up and we will forfeit.  We have less than 12 hours to decide.

 

Right now there are 2 votes for 2/3 going again (me, CTM) and 1 against.

 

Smash seems to be voting 2/3, for me and Pale, but I'll let him confirm or deny before I count him.

 

I think we total up however many votes there are by 1amEST (3.5 hours from now, my time) and then people volunteer.  So if there's more votes for 2/3, and for me to go, I'll sign up.

 

I'll say this - with Nae confirmed as an innocent mason (short of recruitment), she should be the 3rd to go.

[Naeann]

That's up to everyone else if they decide to send you two again.  I'm not gonna crowd in and take it if people object.  That's also if DPR accepts whoever it was that jumped on a mission but then said they are backing out.. I forgot who?

[The Crusher]

I am dead set against it Kivam.  That's not fair to others to give to people the potential to get MORE roles while the rest of us still get none.  You could be scum. You could be innocent but what cult leader is NOT gona recruit a player that has a potential two roles?  Even if you started out innocent you wouldn't be for long. True the new people on the missions could be scum as well... but I'd rather have the roles spread out instead of a potential scum having TWO roles. 

 

This rings true to me.  It makes it possible for the cult leader to take a player and totally hammer the towns ability to defend itself. What if the CL picks a player that happen to get both the witch Dr and the Dr Dr.   Boost the sums position and makes the CL even more of a threat.  

 

Maybe one repeat?  K-Dog?  could you hook me up with the reasoning real quick why you think we need to repeat?

[Naeann]

Lather, rinse, repeat?

 

I think his reasonings was no innocent nk's last night.  Only a mafia died.  Question is.. Yeah, Dae was mafia.. but he hadn't posted at all I think.  So why did whoever target him do it?

[The Crusher]

Lather, rinse, repeat?

 

I think his reasonings was no innocent nk's last night.  Only a mafia died.  Question is.. Yeah, Dae was mafia.. but he hadn't posted at all I think.  So why did whoever target him do it?

 

 

That is a good question.  But what does the same guys going on the mission have to do with Dae dying without posting?  I do drink while catching college football on Saturdays so please excuse me if I'm a little slow?

 

 

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

Kiv the only reason you would have been on my suspect list if DSage would have been innocent is your neighbor role.

 

You are a crafty player, and anyone you are neighbors with will stand a chance of getting manipulated. I consider you a top priority if you are scum. The gambit play is still in the back of my mind also.  ;)

 

 

[Smash]

Im good for 2/3's of the mission. So my vote is yes. The third person will have to come out of Verbal, Pac, Smash or Nae with nae being thr front runner because she is a confirmed innocent. So this would make it Kiv, Pale, Nae on the next Mission.

 

I think if its a no vote on the above scenario we can revert back to the other option which was 3 different people than the original 3. The first 3 that made the attempt to go this morning

 

Verbal

Pac

Smash

[Smash]

Lather, rinse, repeat?

 

I think his reasonings was no innocent nk's last night.  Only a mafia died.  Question is.. Yeah, Dae was mafia.. but he hadn't posted at all I think.  So why did whoever target him do it?

 

Nae I have a theory as to why Dae was killed hence my reasons for voting JVOR as a Zombie. I think its a possibility JVOR was Mafia and was turned Zombie. When He saw His previous teammate getting voted off it was probably more benificial for him to kill off another player of his previous team. The reason I say this is because I highly doubt JVOR would take a wild shot in the dark as the vigilante on night #1. 

 

Sure I could be wrong here but its my thought process and its the reason we can not let JVOR go on this mission. To have 25 posts and be very involved in game play then to disappear is adding to my thought process of course. He knows we have the PR test and he knows it will out him. 

[Naeann]

His thoughts I think were that since there was no innocent nk last night that they don't have the ability to and have to do a mission to earn it.  Since it was a mafia that died last night perhaps a cult or innocent got a killing role.

 

 

Hmm it's a possibility Smash.

[Liathiana]

I don't like the idea of all the roles being with the same 3 people. Naeann makes perfect sense. I think we need to go with 3 new ones. Now I'm off to bed for work in the morning :x

[ctm123456]

His thoughts I think were that since there was no innocent nk last night that they don't have the ability to and have to do a mission to earn it.  Since it was a mafia that died last night perhaps a cult or innocent got a killing role.

 

 

Hmm it's a possibility Smash.

 

Does the cult get 1 recruitment during the night and 1 per mission? Seems to be. the mission was 50/50 chance I believe. Is the night 50/50 or is it PAFO...

 

I'm ok with pale, kiv and nae, as I think we are voting the least likely to be scum. Problem is that pale/jvor has a killing ability, nae is a confirmed innocent and kiv has a power + in general a devious player, all of which make them the most likely cult recruits...

 

I'm also not convinced our PR works, there's a ton of other requirements that it might not catch. If we are going to blue lynch JVOR as suspected cult, I think we should wait to do so until we see if he can pass the PR. He's in a newbie mafia game with me at myndgames and hasn't posted there either. I suspect we wont hear from him until Monday is the problem, but if we're really thinking he's cult, it'd be good to test the PR out on him..

 

 

 

 

[Smash]

Chan JVOR should have said something if he was going to abruptly dissapear. I just don't think his kill on mafia was that lucky.

 

If he happens to be a zombie and they get a doc role were in a heap load of trouble and Kiv already outed the doc role as Coral Gables maybe the missions in both games are the same maybe they are not are you willing to take that chance ?

 

I think its silly to take that chance and silly to leave him around.

[Pac]

I don't want Kiv anywhere near that mission.  If he hasn't been converted yet it's only a matter of time.

 

Like Nae has said and others have agreed with I'm not sure why you'd want a couple people hording roles when it's pretty obvious they will be the ones targeted for a conversion.

 

Question for the mod or anyone else who might know..  If someone on a mission were to get the Witch Doctor role and also be converted would they be able to cure themselves? 

 

 

[mmeeshal]

:-*

[mmeeshal]

I am not a zombie.  I am not a zombie.  I am not a zombie.  I am not a zombie.  I am not a zombie.

[mmeeshal]

I am not a zombie. I am not a zombie. I am not a zombie. I am not a zombie. I am not a zombie.

[mmeeshal]

There, now that I'm back on a computer and can do that...

 

 

I have only been able to follow this game with half of my attention, but I feel that we shouldn't send any of the same people on a mission twice, not like this.  Because, like Nae said (I think it was her), they have a shot at collecting roles and then are more likely to be targeted by Cult for recruitment.

 

I just don't think it's a good idea to give anyone a shot at that much power, first of all, and secondly, it's dangerous.

 

I know that's basically the same arguments that other people have made, but I really feel that we should try all new people, instead of just one.

[ctm123456]

Chan JVOR should have said something if he was going to abruptly dissapear. I just don't think his kill on mafia was that lucky.

 

If he happens to be a zombie and they get a doc role were in a heap load of trouble and Kiv already outed the doc role as Coral Gables maybe the missions in both games are the same maybe they are not are you willing to take that chance ?

 

I think its silly to take that chance and silly to leave him around.

All I'm saying is wait till monday and see if he can meet the PR....

 

Also, Kiv was wrong. The guy who said he received the doctor role was lying at Mynd. I'll tell you what is at Coral Gables though, killing roles. Lots of them. Kivam, Jvor and myself all died on Night 1 over there

[ctm123456]

I don't want Kiv anywhere near that mission.  If he hasn't been converted yet it's only a matter of time.

 

Like Nae has said and others have agreed with I'm not sure why you'd want a couple people hording roles when it's pretty obvious they will be the ones targeted for a conversion.

 

Question for the mod or anyone else who might know..  If someone on a mission were to get the Witch Doctor role and also be converted would they be able to cure themselves? 

 

 

The idea being to keep the NK ability away from scum. I'm pretty sure kiv is innocent and I know for a fact he didn't get a killing ability as the mod sent me a note about being his neighbor. I'd also guess that pale and Jvor are not scum due to there being no innocent NK's last night. Unless there was some kind of gambit, but it's a little hard to believe that scum would try a gambit after losing dsage to the blue vote..

 

Also, I'm not buying Smash's idea the Jvor is converted scum who NK'd his own teammate. Why not just lead the charge on at the start of the day to earn the towns trust?

 

The more I think about it, with 2 scum down already, I becomming less concerned about them and more concerned about cult recruiting super powered players..

 

I'm changing my vote to[glow=yellow,2,300] 3 new players.[/glow]..

 

nae.. and 2 others.. not pac though, his volunteer due to forgetfulness was an agreed auto-lynch, while I don't want to lynch him, I also think he should be taken out of the running for todays mission..

 

 

 

[Naeann]

We really need to decide this quickly.  How many people are for me going and how many against?

[Kivam]

I am dead set against it Kivam.  That's not fair to others to give to people the potential to get MORE roles while the rest of us still get none.  You could be scum. You could be innocent but what cult leader is NOT gona recruit a player that has a potential two roles?  Even if you started out innocent you wouldn't be for long. True the new people on the missions could be scum as well... but I'd rather have the roles spread out instead of a potential scum having TWO roles. 

 

This rings true to me.  It makes it possible for the cult leader to take a player and totally hammer the towns ability to defend itself. What if the CL picks a player that happen to get both the witch Dr and the Dr Dr.   Boost the sums position and makes the CL even more of a threat.  

 

Maybe one repeat?  K-Dog?  could you hook me up with the reasoning real quick why you think we need to repeat?

 

Very simple.  If scum needs to go on a mission to earn the ability to NK - and it looks like they do, since over on MJ there's been a NK and it looks like at least one scum player went on a mission - then we need to keep that NK ability away from scum as long as possible, since it looks like they did not get it.  So, we minimize the chances of scum getting a NK (as well as limit our field of potential scum players, which we can narrow down if and when there's a NK) by keeping our presumably non-scum roled players (presumably non-scum, since it looks like the scum did not get a NK) as the mission goers.

 

Work it like this.  Today, 2 people go on a mission who already went (say me and PM, since JVoR doesn't seem to be around to volunteer, unless he showed up since your post - I'm catching up now), plus 1 newb (say Nae, since we know she's an innocent mason.  The next mission, 2 people from today go - say PM and Nae - and 1 new person.  That way, nobody will ever have more than 3 roles, new people will get roles, but we probably keep scum from getting a NK for as long as possible while still spreading out the roles.

 

As for the witch doctor thing, I remember seeing in the MJ thread that if a zombie gets the witch doc role, then the zombie is cured.  Also, having random players go makes it more likely the cult leader and scum will get in on the mission sooner (and therefore more likely that cult leader or scum gets the witch doc/doc roles).  All in all, I think we're safer this way, since I know 2 of the 3 proposed are innocents (or at least, we know Nae started that way, and she passed the zombie test), and I'm trusting PM and JVoR based on the lack of a scum NK.  I don't have that same assurance for other players.

[Kivam]

Chan JVOR should have said something if he was going to abruptly dissapear. I just don't think his kill on mafia was that lucky.

 

If he happens to be a zombie and they get a doc role were in a heap load of trouble and Kiv already outed the doc role as Coral Gables maybe the missions in both games are the same maybe they are not are you willing to take that chance ?

 

I think its silly to take that chance and silly to leave him around.

All I'm saying is wait till monday and see if he can meet the PR....

 

Also, Kiv was wrong. The guy who said he received the doctor role was lying at Mynd. I'll tell you what is at Coral Gables though, killing roles. Lots of them. Kivam, Jvor and myself all died on Night 1 over there

 

Dammit, Chan, I was keeping that killing roles part to myself - wanted to see if someone claimed doc after going on the Coral Gables mission.  >:(

[Kivam]

I don't want Kiv anywhere near that mission.  If he hasn't been converted yet it's only a matter of time.

 

Like Nae has said and others have agreed with I'm not sure why you'd want a couple people hording roles when it's pretty obvious they will be the ones targeted for a conversion.

 

Question for the mod or anyone else who might know..  If someone on a mission were to get the Witch Doctor role and also be converted would they be able to cure themselves? 

 

 

 

I think they automatically self cure (which is why powering up whoever gets the WD role makes a TON of sense.