BSG Mafia - Day 4

[Illiara]

I'm not contributing to the conversations because I'm not seeing anything suspicious from anyone.  It doesn't help that I was completely wrong in who I thought was mafia.

[Thorum]

English translation: "I don't post because I was wrong once. Please don't lynch me."

 

We need a lynch and that is one of the reasonings I hate most.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Illiara[/glow]

[Hybrid]

Players Alive (from page 1):

3. DSage

4. Verbal

5. Quibby

7. Dragonsworn

9. Illiara

12. Hybrid

15. mnwhiterose

16. Thorum

17. Dae

 

(Note: The numbering is from the player list, I just copied, pasted, and deleted all the dead players.)

 

We still have nine remaining alive and have yet to hear from DSage, Verbal, or Dae today.  Dae in particular has been very quiet, beyond being one of the initial voters for Mynd Day 1 and then disappearing for a while.

 

Unfortunately, with Kivam and Jeran gone, I'm not particularly suspicious of anyone anymore except maybe Verbal and Dae if they don't post soon.  We have votes on Quibby and Illiara so far.  I'm going to take a look at their posts in this game and see who looks more suspicious.

 

Also, Thorum is right - post your thoughts, the more information we have the better.

 

[Hybrid]

Hybrid.

 

He will be trusted as confirmed innocent too soon by a lot of us. Jeran could have been super-strategic and revealed a co-cylon as "cylon".

It might kill me to admit it, but that's exactly what I would have done in Jeran's case, if Jeran was mafia.  The only way he could have saved himself would have been to "prove" himself by finding a cylon. 

 

However, upon further thought, I actually think that Jeran was a serial killer.  I don't see why the mafia would steal a role that would link them to another fellow mafia member.  That makes me a bit more confident that last night's double kill was a mafia kill and a vigilante kill, not a mafia kill and a serial killer.

[Verbal32]

We still have nine remaining alive and have yet to hear from DSage, Verbal, or Dae today.

 

I'm here.  I did a little re-read based on what some people have said today, and I agree with both Thorum and Dragonsworn on their votes.  Not posting, and then backing that up with a "I wasn't much of a help anyway" isn't a good reason.  But so is voting so that a majority is not being reached.  Luckily, folks unvoted and moved over to Kivam in time.

 

Based on that, I'm going with [glow=red,2,300]Quibby[/glow] for now.

[Liathiana]

Lynch Votes:

 

Quibby (2): Dragonsworn, Verbal

Illiara (1): Thorum

 

Day 4 ends July 23rd at 9 pm CST (7pm PST/10 pm EST) and 5 votes are needed for a successful lynch.

[Quibby]

I agree, it's a stupid reason, yet it's the only one I can honestly give.

 

Has there been a Finder check on Rose?  I'm inclined to think she's innocent, but she spent the entire game swearing up Kivam's innocence, then changed her vote to him at the last minute, which does make me a bit suspicious.

[Thorum]

Has there been a Finder check on Rose?

 

Not by me anyway

[Toy and Minion]

We still have nine remaining alive and have yet to hear from DSage...

 

I guess you missed my first post of the Day?  :P

 

Seriously though, I didn't feel the need to post yesterday.  It didn't help that I had lost some focus again when Day finally happened.  But excuses, excuses, right?

 

So, with the death of Kivam and Jeran, we probably have three more mafia out there.  6:3 odds in our favor.  I like that.  But we cannot allow another innocent to be lynched as, with two Night Killers out there, this could easily be our last Day.

[mnwhiterose]

 

Has there been a Finder check on Rose?  I'm inclined to think she's innocent, but she spent the entire game swearing up Kivam's innocence, then changed her vote to him at the last minute, which does make me a bit suspicious.

 

Well, I did that because we were connected as lovers, and stupid me, I didn't look at his character (I was given his character's name). So, I thought he was an innocent like me. Forgot that the Treacherous lover role was a possibility. So, I wiki'd his character's name and found out that the character was a Cylon. That's what changed my vote. So, perhaps we need to look at those people who professed my innocence that 1st day (half way through was when Jeran stole my role) because they didn't want Kiv lynched due to my stupidity.

[Quibby]

*shrugs* No fingers being pointed yet, just weighing my options, though I do have to say that the guilty by association thing could still be possible in my book.

 

However, before I embark upon an epic quest to reread the thread (I expect casualties amongst the voices in my head to be high), I would like to vote for [glow=red,2,300]Daetirion[/glow] on account of him being quiet.  The one thing they always say about the guy who snapped and went on a killing spree was, "He was such a quiet man."

[Quibby]

For anybody considering it, that reread sucks.

 

Anyway, first order of business: [glow=red,2,300]unvote Daetirion[/glow]

 

Almost all of my logic is going to be based on the last voting sequence, so feel free to point out holes in it.  In fact, I would appreciate it if you did so.

 

First off, my list of suspects based on the last round: Rose, Illiara, Dae, and DSage.

 

The end of yesterday found two mafia dead.  The list of suspects, excluding Dae, are those who survived the vote.  Strangely enough, two mafia were involved in that vote as well.  Considering Jeran's role in the process, I think it's safe to say that that was a mafia ploy to discredit Thorum and try to lynch him.  Good news: it failed.  Better news: two mafia died.

 

Lousy news: we lost two innocents, both of whom sided with Thorum.

 

I suspect Rose because of her last-minute change after such a strong and unwavering defense of Kivam.  A betrayal like that suggests moving somebody to the "safe" side of things.  She was also the first to jump on the train with Jeran's finder claim.

 

Illiara is just... weird.  She jumped on with Jeran's finder claim early, though she was not the first to do so.  However, she doesn't feel like mafia to me.  Unfortunately, I can't actually point out a single thing she said that makes me think this, but it's an overall feeling I get.  I could almost believe that she is a serial killer.

 

DSage was another one that caught my eye because of his acceptance of Jeran's claim.  He flat-out said that he didn't believe Thorum's finder claim before he jumped aboard, too.  I'd pin this against him, but two things keep me from voting for him right out: Thorum's reveal was poorly done, making the claim hard to swallow, and since I now believe that Thorum is the Finder, and that he's an accurate Finder, I have to dismiss DSage for now.  I'm keeping my eye on you, though.  *gets closer to DSage; damn bad vision*

 

Yes, Dae is still in my short list, but only because of one thing: his quiet.  I'm wondering if Dae is playing a low-key game to avoid notice in order to let himself survive by being ignored.  By extension, this makes me think that we're potentially dealing with godfather roles, and he's shielding somebody.  Unfortunately, this means that he could be covering for anybody in the game.

 

I'm excluding Hybrid for this round, but I agree with Thorum- I think he's the one who said it, correct me if I'm wrong- that he could be a mafia scapegoat that was used to make Jeran look good in the event that the vote went through.  Likewise, he could be innocent.

 

In the end, though, I feel that I must vote for [glow=red,2,300]Illiara.[/glow]  Sorry, but you creep me out.

[Hybrid]

I guess you missed my first post of the Day?  :P

Indeed.  Sorry about that.

 

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Anyways.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Quibby[/glow]

Because I find it suspicious that someone would want to lynch a potential Finder.  He voted Jeran yesterday rather than voting Kivam.  Yes, I am aware that Jeran turned out to be mafia.  However, for all we knew at the time, Thorum and Jeran had an equal chance to be the Finder.  One of the cardinal rules in mafia is not to lynch a Finder claim unless you have no choice.

 

Illiara sided with Jeran's claim.  While in hindsight, Jeran's claim seems to be too desperate to be true, she acted correctly in voting for me rather than Thorum.  So I find her behavior less suspicious than Quibby's.  That being said, choosing not to vote or speak because you were wrong once is suspicious.  Everyone makes mistakes - the only people who are 100% sure are the mafia (and then, not always).

 

I agree that Dae needs to speak up.  He's either lying low or he's legitimately absent from DM.

 

Mod Question: Has Dae declared an LoA?

[Quibby]

Do you mean "voting for you rather than Kivam"?  Or am I just completely missing something here?

 

Either way, I can completely understand where you're coming from, Hybrid.  In my defense, I generally play by the "lynch 'em both, let [insert invisible sky-person here] sort 'em out" method when it comes to dealing with dual claimants.  That one lynch will tell you a lot.  If they're guilty, then you've probably found your real finder, and they should be protected at all costs.  Plus you probably end up with the added bonus of whatever the real finder knows.  On the other hand, if he's innocent, then the other finder's claim is probably false.  You lynch him and whoever the late finder pointed out.

 

It's a bloody strategy, but it's one that I rarely see blow up in my face.

[Toy and Minion]

DSage was another one that caught my eye because of his acceptance of Jeran's claim.  He flat-out said that he didn't believe Thorum's finder claim before he jumped aboard, too.  I'd pin this against him, but two things keep me from voting for him right out: Thorum's reveal was poorly done, making the claim hard to swallow, and since I now believe that Thorum is the Finder, and that he's an accurate Finder, I have to dismiss DSage for now.  I'm keeping my eye on you, though.  *gets closer to DSage; damn bad vision*

 

Keep looking at me all you want.  It's mutual.

 

And I suppose I believed Jeran more readily because he claimed that someone who was in my top 5 suspect list was mafia.  I was biased.

 

It's a bloody strategy, but it's one that I rarely see blow up in my face.

 

Seems like a reckless strategy as well.  That's why you go after the players "found" by the Finders.  It's not 100%, but it's safer than taking out the true Finder.  (and there's always the chance they're both telling the truth.)

 

But I guess I don't have much room to talk.  I got dragged into the mafia's ploy.

[Toy and Minion]

I guess you missed my first post of the Day?  :P

Indeed.  Sorry about that.

 

No problem.  It was a garbage post anyways.

[Hybrid]

Do you mean "voting for you rather than Kivam"?  Or am I just completely missing something here?

What I meant to say was that from Illiara's point of view, she thought Thorum was lying and that Jeran was telling the truth.  So from her point of view, I was likely "guilty."  Rather than lynch Thorum though, she voted to lynch me, since I'm not potentially a Finder.

[Toy and Minion]

Do you mean "voting for you rather than Kivam"?  Or am I just completely missing something here?

What I meant to say was that from Illiara's point of view, she thought Thorum was lying and that Jeran was telling the truth.  So from her point of view, I was likely "guilty."  Rather than lynch Thorum though, she voted to lynch me, since I'm not potentially a Finder.

 

That sounds suspiciously similar what I did.

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

DSage, I can't figure you out. I did a reread and you are still pinging my radar.

 

 

[Toy and Minion]

I can't figure me out sometimes either.

 

Ask and ye shall receive answers.

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

Well it seems like that riddle.

 

You have a Joe and he walks up to Bob, Bob is standing at a crossroad and Joe sees a sign, village of liars, and village of truth, Joe wants to go to the truth village but he can only ask this man to take him to one village.

 

What village does he ask to go to?

[Quibby]

Okay, thanks for the clarification.  I'm not going to retort right now, as I be tired, but I am willing to discuss this at length tomorrow, when I can.  I'd just rather that we don't blast this thing all out of proportions.

[Toy and Minion]

Well it seems like that riddle.

 

You have a Joe and he walks up to Bob, Bob is standing at a crossroad and Joe sees a sign, village of liars, and village of truth, Joe wants to go to the truth village but he can only ask this man to take him to one village.

 

What village does he ask to go to?

 

I'd guess none, because they're both obviously lying.

[Guest dragonsworn1991]

No DSage, Joe asks Bob to take him to his village.

 

If he is lying than he will take him to the truth village and if he is telling the truth he will be taken to the truth village.

 

So do you know where that leads me.

 

Dsage, point to the cylon in the room.

[Toy and Minion]

I never said I was good at riddles.