perrin's hammer

[42Bonzo88]

    Not trying to be a jerk Mr. Willis but yes, "legend" and "fiction" is basically the same thing. But, in my opinion you get most legends and fiction from real life. I see the difference between hitting into rock and gravity helping, then in war. The point I'm trying to make is flesh and blood (covered with armour or not) will shatter much quicker than going through solid rock, so I could see him lasting much longer. Also, when he 'looses' himself during the fighting (see The Dragon Reborn where the trollocs attack Rand's camp in the mountains) he would be able to go more with the bloodlust.

 

    Again not trying to fight, because you did have good points. :)

[RobertAlexWillis]

Not trying to be a jerk Mr. Willis but yes, "legend" and "fiction" is basically the same thing. But, in my opinion you get most legends and fiction from real life.

 

Fiction is generally in response to real life.  In the case of John Henry, it is a response to the increasing mechanization of industry during the industrial revolution and the fear that machines would replace humans.  What John Henry does in the song/story is not only super-human, but in the end, kills him.

 

The point I'm trying to make is flesh and blood (covered with armour or not) will shatter much quicker than going through solid rock, so I could see him lasting much longer.

 

Longer than what?  Longer than John Henry in the song?  Not a chance.  Longer than you and me?  Of course!

 

And I don't think anyone is denying the amount of damage a hammer can do to humans.  Perrin can wreck people with the thing.

 

Also, when he 'looses' himself during the fighting (see The Dragon Reborn where the trollocs attack Rand's camp in the mountains) he would be able to go more with the bloodlust.

 

Adrenaline does that, but with a cost on the back end.

 

Perrin would be good for an hour, tops, in a pitched battle.  Two or three minutes, tops, in a one-on-one fight with a trained swordsman.  And thats bloody good for fighting with a sledge.

 

Again not trying to fight, because you did have good points.

 

Discussing isn't fighting, unless one or both parties makes it so.  I'm perfectly happy to talk about your ideas, and you're perfectly free to disagree with mine.  I generally only fight when people are being offensive, which you certainly are not.  I really shouldn't do it even then, but nobody is perfect ... -sigh-

 

I think that my concise and declarative way of typing sometimes leads people to believe that I'm upset when I am not.  I'm just trying to be clear; I'm not upset in any way shape or form.

 

And ... Mr. Willis is my dad ... please, call me RAW...  :D

[Epic]

I'm on my fourth re-read of the series now and i finished tDR about a month ago.  When Perrin gets the hammer from the smithee next to the inn that they're staying at, it does one of those italicized thought sentences and Perrin thinks that the haft of the hammer is longer than most regular hammers by a considerable amount.  I always thought it was at least fourteen inches, which would be good in a battle for the added force.  Perrin would have no problem against a swordsman if he had a shield: catch blade on the shield, hit swordsman in face, or catch blade, hit sword out of hand, then hit swordsman in face.  When he was fighting Aram he had nothing to deflect a blow with safely and had to dodge.

[RobertAlexWillis]

Perrin would have no problem against a swordsman if he had a shield.

 

A shield would certainly make it easier ... but as far as we know, he's never had one.

 

There actually aren't a whole lot of shields mentioned, beyond the Aiel bucklers.

[MikeRiley]

Reading the posts in this thread has me thinking of Perrin's fight in The Dragon Reborn as similar to Cuchulain's battle rage in Morgan Llywelyn's Red Branch. He loses himself in the fight and gains strength from it, once the rage dissipates he starts to feel the tiredness he would have before. Cuchulain couldn't tell friend from foe, though and he really did transform into a beast with fangs while Perrin just pretends to be. Still, it makes me wonder if Robert Jordan read the book and had it in the back of his head while writing that scene. I'm convinced he watched the movie Zulu at least once while writing The Fires of Heaven.

[Epic]

Just as a side question from the hammer, but what kind of swords do they use in WoT.  Is it just straight sabers like Rand and Lan etc. use or do they have double edged broad swords too?

[CUBAREY]

Just as a side question from the hammer, but what kind of swords do they use in WoT.  Is it just straight sabers like Rand and Lan etc. use or do they have double edged broad swords too?

 

Depends on the nation. Rand and Lan use Japanese Kinata swords not not straight sabers.

[Epic]

thanks, really appreciate it.  Another off topic question, but Cairhien is supposed to a mix between france of louis XIV and Feudal Japan right?  Battle con, short stature.  Only short Frenchman I know of is Bonaparte... Japan on the other hand.

[CUBAREY]

thanks, really appreciate it.  Another off topic question, but Cairhien is supposed to a mix between france of louis XIV and Feudal Japan right?  Battle con, short stature.  Only short Frenchman I know of is Bonaparte... Japan on the other hand.

 

Sorry dude but compared to the average American (Canadian, Brit, Auzzie, etc.) the average frenchman is short and puny. :P

[42Bonzo88]

    *hands a tasty beverage of your choice* Here's to you RAW!!  ;D  I have lost many friends to my 'debates' before, so I try to be a little less blunt then the hammer we are currently discussing. I won't call you Mr. if you don't call me by my full name. That's when I look around in haste because my mother with rolling pin will soon decend. :)

[CUBAREY]

Reading the posts in this thread has me thinking of Perrin's fight in The Dragon Reborn as similar to Cuchulain's battle rage in Morgan Llywelyn's Red Branch. He loses himself in the fight and gains strength from it, once the rage dissipates he starts to feel the tiredness he would have before. Cuchulain couldn't tell friend from foe, though and he really did transform into a beast with fangs while Perrin just pretends to be. Still, it makes me wonder if Robert Jordan read the book and had it in the back of his head while writing that scene. I'm convinced he watched the movie Zulu at least once while writing The Fires of Heaven.

 

Actualyy I think that Perrin's state of mind during a fight is based the  Viking Brzurkers(sp?).