Dirty Cops Mafia - GAME OVER!!!

[Liathiana]

I am innocent and have even discovered what kind of cop I am. This was a bandwagon if I've ever seen one. You do realize that people can lie about their findings? And that a Mafia certainly would? I love that Hybrid has posted rarely all game (even less than I) comes in later with a little excuse and you all instantly trust his reveal. With last night's 3 murders, I don't see the rest of the innocents lasting past tonight, especially after you all lynch me.

 

It's actually kind of funny (and yet really not) that every game I'm innocent everyone always thinks I'm Mafia >.<

 

 

[Jeran]

You do realize that people can lie about their findings? And that a Mafia certainly would?

 

Yes and that's why I said I'm paranoid.  I was going to wait until Hybrid came back to clarify until I voted, but there is still just under three days to go so it wasn't yet a matter of all of our eggs in one basket.

 

Mafia lying could refer to you too.

[Liathiana]

Yep. Could refer to anyone. Tis why I don't have much hope of not getting lynched, not as if my protestations of innocence are going to sway anybody. I thought I did the smart thing with my find last night but it turns out I didn't *sighs*

[CUBAREY]

 

Cuba - Second from the top of my list as far as mafia.  You have seemed to side with MCS this entire game and your play has been becoming increasingly aggressive as the game has progressed.  You were too quick with Catina to push for a lynch on me way before the Night was over, but now that Hybrid has his read, you are more than happy to lynch her. 

 

 

Does anyone have any other thoughts?

 

First, I was one of the few people that voted to give hybrid the finders role today but did not vote for Lia. Why, Hybrid had the only dirty read, but I still had questions about what she found on Lia and wanted to know who else she had viewed in the game. So I was not Happy to vote for Lia, she would have been my logical choice under the circumstances (and still is) but after the Tayla fiasco I wanted to be cautous. Moreover, my very real distrust of you was based on your disasterous Tayla theory and taking you on your word that if you were wrong on that you would accept being lynched. You are still very high on my radar. I also note that you conveniently forgot to include peacesells (which you also accused and which we now know was a clean cop) was leading the charge against you.

 

Funny that you claim to think that Thorum and myself are your two top choices to be scum but vote for Lia and in the next breath say that if she is found to be innocent then Hybrid is dirty. In my opinion you are either a dirty cop or some type of solo player. Your BS shows no limits even after you lead a charge to lynch an innocent cop, no one is such a self-obsorbed narcissit, you are definately anti-town.

 

 

I am innocent and have even discovered what kind of cop I am. This was a bandwagon if I've ever seen one. You do realize that people can lie about their findings? And that a Mafia certainly would? I love that Hybrid has posted rarely all game (even less than I) comes in later with a little excuse and you all instantly trust his reveal. With last night's 3 murders, I don't see the rest of the innocents lasting past tonight, especially after you all lynch me.

 

 

 

 

 

I agree with you that the bandwagon was rushed. However, hybrid was the only one willing to claim that they got a dirty finding, you thus became the logical choice. If two innocents had not been killed last night I might be more tempted to question Hybrids finding but as it is if her other viewing seems reasonable I would have to vote for you.

 

 

Again I repeat my request for people to reveal who they believe is an other aligned player.

 

 

[Liathiana]

Hybrid is a he. LOL

 

You don't have to vote for anyone. You're taking Hybrid's word for it that he isn't lying. There is no garuntees. He could be Mafia or he could be a Cop that always gets guilty or opposite views. Either way, your vote basically says you trust that he is a: Innocent and b: gets the readings completely right.

 

And when I get lynched and the day ends you will learn that he is Mafia or one of the above cops. And the innocents will go down, yet again in number.

[CUBAREY]

Hybrid is a he. LOL

 

You don't have to vote for anyone. You're taking Hybrid's word for it that he isn't lying. There is no garuntees. He could be Mafia or he could be a Cop that always gets guilty or opposite views. Either way, your vote basically says you trust that he is a: Innocent and b: gets the readings completely right.

 

And when I get lynched and the day ends you will learn that he is Mafia or one of the above cops. And the innocents will go down, yet again in number.

 

It's not the first mistake on hybrid I have made (mispelling his name was the first).

 

Again I did not vote to Lynch you although I was leaning that way. Further, what options do we have, Hyrid is the only dirty read. If we do not trust him then what? We do not vote to lynch anyone? Or do we vote to lynch somebody else which we have even less proof is dirty? I would be willing to vote for Mynd on principle but noone is willing to go that root, even the person I implicitely trust. Again you are the only hope we have of lynching a dirty cop or solo player.

[Hybrid]

The result I got was Guilty.  It didn't specify Mafia or Other or More other.  So I suppose Liathiana might not be mafia per se (assuming there are other evil roles - and this is a major assumption, despite what Mynd may state to the contrary), but she's definitely not helpful to us innocents.

 

Jeran: Night 1, I viewed Catina and got a result of Innocent.

[Liathiana]

I actually would be helpful to the innocents per my secondary job description but whatever :P

 

[glow=red,2,300]Hybrid[/glow] for falsely leading the innocents and trying (and succeeding so far) to get an innocent lynched. :)

[CUBAREY]

I actually would be helpful to the innocents per my secondary job description but whatever :P

 

 

And exactly what is your secondary job description?

[Myndrunner]

First, I was one of the few people that voted to give hybrid the finders role today but did not vote for Lia. Why, Hybrid had the only dirty read, but I still had questions about what she found on Lia and wanted to know who else she had viewed in the game. So I was not Happy to vote for Lia, she would have been my logical choice under the circumstances (and still is) but after the Tayla fiasco I wanted to be cautous.

Through this entire game, you have been at MCS's side, agreeing with him on nearly everything.  He turns up mafia, so one can assume you are too.  You're very defensive for me casually mentioning that you were near the top of my list, even though you were not being voted.  To me, that's a guilty conscience talking.  Don't worry, I am not gonna unvote Lia to go after you.  You are safe....today.  

 

Moreover, my very real distrust of you was based on your disasterous Tayla theory and taking you on your word that if you were wrong on that you would accept being lynched. You are still very high on my radar. I also note that you conveniently forgot to include peacesells (which you also accused and which we now know was a clean cop) was leading the charge against you.

You can deny that Talya was acting suspicious by refusing to vote MCS all you want, but there were 7 votes on her, including her own.  This is mafia, it isn't a tea party.  Innocent people get lynched in this game, but sometimes that can lead to us finding who the mafia really is.  Talya put the bullet in her own head here by voting herself, and by refusing to clinch the lynch on MCS.  In mafia, you have to test people to get them to react.  The lynch on MCS was going far to easy so I decided, since we had time to kill, to tweak Talya.  I didn't expect the reaction that I got from her.  Honestly, she seemed scum to me and I went with it.  My mistake, but thanks to our vigilante, we got one last night and I think we may get one today.  

 

Funny that you claim to think that Thorum and myself are your two top choices to be scum but vote for Lia and in the next breath say that if she is found to be innocent then Hybrid is dirty. In my opinion you are either a dirty cop or some type of solo player.

Well, I try to use this thing called logic, perhaps you've heard of the concept.  Hybrid claims to have viewed Lia as Guilty, which can mean anything other than innocent.  If we lynch her, then that looks mighty bad for Hybrid, wouldn't you agree?  It doesn't make him an automatic mafia in that I am very sure there are paranoid and naive cops, among other things, in this game.  The fact that he also got an innocent read on Catina in addition to his Guilty read on Lia means that he is either a Normal Cop, Crazy Cop, or not innocent.  Its simple.  If Lia shows up as innocent, then I plan on viewing him that night.  I will be 100% sure of his alignment based on my reading.  

 

Your BS shows no limits even after you lead a charge to lynch an innocent cop, no one is such a self-obsorbed narcissit, you are definately anti-town.

 

Wow.  I'm not sure how to respond to a direct insult like this, but that's ok. I'm sure much worse has been said behind my back.   :-\

 

Again I repeat my request for people to reveal who they believe is an other aligned player.

Um, I think the Mod is pretty clear that only the person we voted for can reveal anything, but we can say who we suspect of course.  Thorum suspected Lia as scum, but he didn't view her as such. Is that what you mean by reveal? Or are you asking for us to reveal our findings?

 

 

[Myndrunner]

I actually would be helpful to the innocents per my secondary job description but whatever :P

 

 

And exactly what is your secondary job description?

 

Cocktail Waitress.  :D

[cosmicpanda]

Don't worry Mynd, we still love you, you're not that much of a self-obsorbed narcissit  :D

[CUBAREY]

First, I was one of the few people that voted to give hybrid the finders role today but did not vote for Lia. Why, Hybrid had the only dirty read, but I still had questions about what she found on Lia and wanted to know who else she had viewed in the game. So I was not Happy to vote for Lia, she would have been my logical choice under the circumstances (and still is) but after the Tayla fiasco I wanted to be cautous.

Through this entire game, you have been at MCS's side, agreeing with him on nearly everything.  He turns up mafia, so one can assume you are too.  You're very defensive for me casually mentioning that you were near the top of my list, even though you were not being voted.  To me, that's a guilty conscience talking.  Don't worry, I am not gonna unvote Lia to go after you.  You are safe....today.  

 

Moreover, my very real distrust of you was based on your disasterous Tayla theory and taking you on your word that if you were wrong on that you would accept being lynched. You are still very high on my radar. I also note that you conveniently forgot to include peacesells (which you also accused and which we now know was a clean cop) was leading the charge against you.

You can deny that Talya was acting suspicious by refusing to vote MCS all you want, but there were 7 votes on her, including her own.  This is mafia, it isn't a tea party.  Innocent people get lynched in this game, but sometimes that can lead to us finding who the mafia really is.  Talya put the bullet in her own head here by voting herself, and by refusing to clinch the lynch on MCS.  In mafia, you have to test people to get them to react.  The lynch on MCS was going far to easy so I decided, since we had time to kill, to tweak Talya.  I didn't expect the reaction that I got from her.  Honestly, she seemed scum to me and I went with it.  My mistake, but thanks to our vigilante, we got one last night and I think we may get one today.  

 

Funny that you claim to think that Thorum and myself are your two top choices to be scum but vote for Lia and in the next breath say that if she is found to be innocent then Hybrid is dirty. In my opinion you are either a dirty cop or some type of solo player.

Well, I try to use this thing called logic, perhaps you've heard of the concept.  Hybrid claims to have viewed Lia as Guilty, which can mean anything other than innocent.  If we lynch her, then that looks mighty bad for Hybrid, wouldn't you agree?  It doesn't make him an automatic mafia in that I am very sure there are paranoid and naive cops, among other things, in this game.  The fact that he also got an innocent read on Catina in addition to his Guilty read on Lia means that he is either a Normal Cop, Crazy Cop, or not innocent.  Its simple.  If Lia shows up as innocent, then I plan on viewing him that night.  I will be 100% sure of his alignment based on my reading.  

 

Your BS shows no limits even after you lead a charge to lynch an innocent cop, no one is such a self-obsorbed narcissit, you are definately anti-town.

 

Wow.  I'm not sure how to respond to a direct insult like this, but that's ok. I'm sure much worse has been said behind my back.   :-\

 

Again I repeat my request for people to reveal who they believe is an other aligned player.

Um, I think the Mod is pretty clear that only the person we voted for can reveal anything, but we can say who we suspect of course.  Thorum suspected Lia as scum, but he didn't view her as such. Is that what you mean by reveal? Or are you asking for us to reveal our findings?

 

 

 

1. You were the one that saved MCS by starting the Tayla is a Cultest BS.

 

2. Damn right I am defensive about being called out. Logic would impel the remaining scum to Night Kill whoever, seems to be non-aligned or a vigilante. Thus my irretation on cosmic panda and you pointing the finger at me.

 

3. As part of the argument you used to get people to vote for Tayla was your assertion that you would volunteer to be lynched if you were wrong. Maybe its because we come from different backgrounds but I take a man at his word. To slither out of your agreement by blaming everyone but yourself for lynching Tayla is a sign that you have no honor. Since you are a self-obsorbed BS artest who only looks out for your own neck your lack of honor is not surprising. Unlike you I tell people what I think of them to their face. You are scum both in this game and RL.

[Toy and Minion]

Cubarey, tone it down!  That last sentence was OVER THE LINE!

 

Anymore talk like that and you're out!

 

[cosmicpanda]

2. Damn right I am defensive about being called out. Logic would impel the remaining scum to Night Kill whoever, seems to be non-aligned or a vigilante. Thus my irretation on cosmic panda and you pointing the finger at me.

 

3. As part of the argument you used to get people to vote for Tayla was your assertion that you would volunteer to be lynched if you were wrong. Maybe its because we come from different backgrounds but I take a man at his word. To slither out of your agreement by blaming everyone but yourself for lynching Tayla is a sign that you have no honor. Since you are a self-obsorbed BS artest who only looks out for your own neck your lack of honor is not surprising. Unlike you I tell people what I think of them to their face. You are scum both in this game and RL.

 

2. Is that a roleclaim? Can you clarify what you mean?

 

3. Cubarey, this is a game in which people have to act differently to how they normally do. I've talked with Mynd outside of mafia games and I think that he is a generous person, not self-obsessed at all. Have a care with your words.

 

Personal issues aside, I don't think that a Mynd lynch is the pro-town course of action at all, with Hybrid's read on Lia.

 

Yes, he said that we should lynch him. He even self-voted (which I think is silly). Self-voting in this game is even more anti-town than it normally is, since it allows the person being voted on to control whether or not they are lynched (unvoting at the last minute). And to be fair, all who voted for Talya share the blame for that lynch. It wasn't Mynd alone. People forget that mafia is a game of teams.

 

So, self-voting is the most suspicious thing that Mynd has done so far in my eyes. Mislynches can happen.

[Myndrunner]

My, we are a bit cranky this evening, aren't we Cuba?  Well, I don't have much to add onto what cosmicpanda said and DSAGE's warning; but I will say this....

 

Cuba, I have no personal beef with you, and as you can see, dukeing it out with Talya and Peacesells in this game has nothing to do with how we interact outside of it.  You don't know me so I take your personal attack as a misguided attempt to get me upset, perhaps try to get me to remove my vote from Lia by voting you, perhaps?  Either way, its not helping us win so I must assume that you are against us. 

 

Thanks for the compliment, cosmicpanda! Nawab Cuisine is calling me!

[CUBAREY]

2. Damn right I am defensive about being called out. Logic would impel the remaining scum to Night Kill whoever, seems to be non-aligned or a vigilante. Thus my irretation on cosmic panda and you pointing the finger at me.

 

3. As part of the argument you used to get people to vote for Tayla was your assertion that you would volunteer to be lynched if you were wrong. Maybe its because we come from different backgrounds but I take a man at his word. To slither out of your agreement by blaming everyone but yourself for lynching Tayla is a sign that you have no honor. Since you are a self-obsorbed BS artest who only looks out for your own neck your lack of honor is not surprising. Unlike you I tell people what I think of them to their face. You are scum both in this game and RL.

 

2. Is that a roleclaim? Can you clarify what you mean?

 

3. Cubarey, this is a game in which people have to act differently to how they normally do. I've talked with Mynd outside of mafia games and I think that he is a generous person, not self-obsessed at all. Have a care with your words.

 

Personal issues aside, I don't think that a Mynd lynch is the pro-town course of action at all, with Hybrid's read on Lia.

 

Yes, he said that we should lynch him. He even self-voted (which I think is silly). Self-voting in this game is even more anti-town than it normally is, since it allows the person being voted on to control whether or not they are lynched (unvoting at the last minute). And to be fair, all who voted for Talya share the blame for that lynch. It wasn't Mynd alone. People forget that mafia is a game of teams.

 

So, self-voting is the most suspicious thing that Mynd has done so far in my eyes. Mislynches can happen.

 

2. Not a roleclaim, logic. Enough people call you out as being suspicous (and say they think you are dirty but will not vote for you today) and the remaining dirty cops (by my calculation there should be two left) will Nifhr Kill you that night on suspicion that you are a solo player or vigilante.

 

3.I have already stated that Lia is the logical one to kill tonight. However, Mynd's actions are not only suspicous but self-serving. It's one thing to explain a wrong move, its another to throw the finger of guilt for that move on others. Yes all of us who voted for Tayla are partially responsible but the main responsibility is on the person who suggested the lynch and volunteered to be lynched as an incentive for other people to vote his way. Lastly, the way one plays a game has much to do with ones real character. I apalogize the extreme manner I stated my beliefs the actual beliefs are in my mind justified.

[CUBAREY]

Back to the game'

 

Quote from Mynd:

 

Quote from: CUBAREY on March 29, 2009, 09:46:47 PM

Again I repeat my request for people to reveal who they believe is an other aligned player.

 

Um, I think the Mod is pretty clear that only the person we voted for can reveal anything, but we can say who we suspect of course.  Thorum suspected Lia as scum, but he didn't view her as such. Is that what you mean by reveal? Or are you asking for us to reveal our findings?

 

I was referring to suspicions not findings.

 

 

[Jeran]

By all means correct me if I am wrong (constructive criticism is good!) but aren't Hybrid's findings uncomfirmed at this point? 

 

Catina = Innocent

Liathiana = Guilty

 

We don't have any confirmed information on either of them at this point so Hybrid is either Sane with correct readings or Insane with incorrect readings.  (I think I have those titles correct.)  Or a liar, liar pants on fire.

[CUBAREY]

By all means correct me if I am wrong (constructive criticism is good!) but aren't Hybrid's findings uncomfirmed at this point? 

 

Catina = Innocent

Liathiana = Guilty

 

We don't have any confirmed information on either of them at this point so Hybrid is either Sane with correct readings or Insane with incorrect readings.  (I think I have those titles correct.)  Or a liar, liar pants on fire.

 

To but a claim of finding someone guilty is a lot more to go on then simple suspicion. Lacking firmer evidence you go with the finding and a., view the finder the next night (Mynd already said he was going to do this) and lynch the finder the next night if he turns out guilty on the second find. Now if you have reason to suspect that the Finder may have alterior motives for claiming someone guilty when they are not (for instance if Mynd said he viewed me or visversa) then you disregard the finding and go after the one making the call. However, in this case there is no substantial reason to believe that Hybrid would specifically target Lia (besides the fact that we do not now know his true alignment).

 

Its not perfect but at least we can verify the accuracy of the Find afterwards instead of making a decision on mere suspicion.

[Dark Justice]

Jeran is of course correct. Hybrid is:

A)Proper Real Finder

B)Insane Finder

C)Some other Finder Dsage made up

D)A Lying Liar

 

Cubarey: I can understand you get a bit angry here. It is pretty confusing in itself, a game of mafia, but this game is on another level. So try to not get too insulting here. Its not fun for anyone.

 

What needs to be done is to lynch some guilty people.

My Suspition list:

Mafia: Liathiana (i found her suspitious before Jerans viewing of her.

Other: Cosmicpanda & Mynd

I have nothing to go on. Its just my gut talking. Sometimes my gut is so right its scary, and sometimes Im so far off I get emabarresed..  ;)

[Myndrunner]

 

Mafia: Liathiana (i found her suspitious before Jerans viewing of her.

 

 

Did Jerans get a viewing on Liathiana also? 

[Dark Justice]

hehe... of course not.. Hybrids read.. I was commenting on Jerans post, and got mixed up...

[Myndrunner]

Lol, I thought so, just wanted to be sure I didn't miss something. 

 

Liathiana's lynch will prove to be quite interesting.  I am leaning towards Hybrid being correct simply because it would be stupid for the mafia to come out and fake claim at this point in the game.  Also, Lia says that she has a secondary job that can help us, but she still doesn't reveal.  Why?  When a lynch is clinched on you, its time to spill the beans.  I think if Lia is truely innocent, the best thing she can do for us is take one for the team.  Her coroner report will help us with Hybrid's identity, and maybe even Catina too. 

 

If Lia turns up as anything but innocent, not only does it make Hybrid look good, it also kinda lets Catina off the hook.  With both of them accounted for as innocent, then we can really narrow down who is not so innocent.  I find it interesting that there is one player in particular who is trying to distract us from this.  Personal insults are the tools of the weak and the desperate. 

 

If Lia turns up as innocent, then we all either view Hybrid or Catina.  Those of us who have already viewed ourselves will know if Hybrid was a Paranoid Cop, Crazy Cop, or Lying Liar who Lies.  We can then either lynch him or Catina at that point with confidence. 

 

My guess is that there are only two mafia left, since MCS and BARM would have made four total in a 15 player game. There is probably only one Other and only one More Other, but who is who remains to be seen.  Thoughts?

[Dark Justice]

I agree with most of what you are saying there.. I do not think the mafia is willing to "throw away" anyone at this stage.

Hybrid, as far as I know, would never fake reveal at this stage where the mafia would be losing if they lost another one.

So yeah. I belive Hybrid.

 

So what I think is left now is:

1-2 mafia

1 SK

and I have no idea what other other could be.

the rest would be innocents.