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According to the Encyclopaedia site, Gawyn's last appearance was the prologue of Crossroads of Twilight.  It tells he is with the Younglings in Dorlan.

Second to last appearance is Crown of Swords.

 

What will happen to Gawyn?  For sure Egwene will bond him (because of one of Egwene's dreams).  Perhaps the two of them will marry each other, and perhaps he will join the rebel Aes Sedia after some kind of harm; several of Egwene's dreams seem to indicate these.  Min had a viewing of him kneeling at Egwene's feet head bowed and another of him breaking Egwene's neck; these two were a one-or-the-other kind of thing.

These events could come in any order; though Min's viewings seem to relate to the harm of Egwene's dream.

 

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Last we saw him, Katerine was giving him new orders from the Amrylin.

 

Gareth Bryne seemed to indicate that a band of soldiers was harrassing their supply lines/soldiers to Egwene (I think that was directly before her getting captured). So my guess is, he's doing that.

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As little as possible? Hopefully?

 

Obviously everyone likes and dislikes different characters, but Gawyn's another periphery character I just don't care about. He's the same as another 12 guys with heron mark skills, he pines over Egwene, complains about how much his life sucks then continues being a moron. Listens to rumours (along with about half the other people in the books who say they know better) and takes them for truth, sticks to Elaida's side simply because, "Meh, that's where we started!", and whines about he'd like to kill Rand. Because he's a whiner.

 

End of rant.

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Err, he sticks to Elaida's side because of two things.

 

One, Siuan was sending Elayne off someplace and won't tell him. I don't know about you, but I'd be pretty darn pissed if someone basically hid my sister away from me.

 

Two, technically, he followed the law. Whatever loopholes Elaida used to depose Siuan, she still followed the law. By proxy, Gawyn does as well, even if he doesn't care about Elaida.

 

As for listening to rumours....

 

Your mom is a queen, she suddenly disappears, and some guy who's had horror stories told about him for the last age or so about how he'll break the world and kill everyone close to him is on the throne of your mother. Rumour says he killed your mom. He's on the throne. He's the boogeyman...

 

So here's my thought process on that: Hmm, this guy is on my mom's throne. My mom's disappeared, and people say he killed her. And he's sitting on her throne. Yes, the rumours are most likely to be true.

 

How exactly does that make me a moron?

 

I like Gawyn. Sure, he should stop listening to rumours. I know that, because as a reader of the Wheel of Time series, I know things he doesn't know. Still, based on the info he has, and on his past choices, I'd say he's a pretty good character.

 

He makes more sense than Galad. Galad's sister is working on becoming an Aes Sedai, and his step mom was tower trained, and he decides to join the Whitecloaks?!? How's that for intelligent?

 

 

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According to Gawyn's thoughts (I think in Lord of Choas), he stays with Aes Sedia because his sister and the one he is in love with both want to be Aes Sedia.

With the White Tower, he does not give reasons; but I suspect he does not yet know that they are part of the rebel Aes Sedia.

 

 

How exactly does that make me a moron?

No one called you that.  According to the poster's context, the word applies to Gawyn; I agree that he is not one.

 

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I like Gawyn.

 

You stated his case well. I like him, too. Of course he's flawed like the rest of the cast of WOT. I especially liked him in EoTW when Rand tumbled off the wall. And when Mat whipped him and Galad with a quarter staff (one of favorite scenes in all of fiction).

 

I hope we see more of him in AMOL.

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^ (to mb)Egwene hinted -- if not admitted -- that she was with the rebels in one of the later books, did she not? Gawyn simply "follows the course". That's a weak reason, but at least it's better than "following the law!". Yes, because all laws are just and right.  ::)

 

But, of course, being a prince or some such he somehow believes that Elaida must be in the right. Bah.

Err, he sticks to Elaida's side because of two things.

 

One, Siuan was sending Elayne off someplace and won't tell him. I don't know about you, but I'd be pretty darn pissed if someone basically hid my sister away from me.

 

Two, technically, he followed the law. Whatever loopholes Elaida used to depose Siuan, she still followed the law. By proxy, Gawyn does as well, even if he doesn't care about Elaida.

Sure. Anger at Siuan, that's cool. What does that have to do with Elaida? He can follow whoever he wishes, as we've seen. Law, schmaw. If Aes Sedai can ignore those laws, I'm fairly sure he could do as he wishes. Laws are broken all the time; just because he's mister princely-fellow doesn't mean he couldn't think logically about things. You know, keeping a man confined in a box and beating him day and night...you know, the man who's supposed to be the only hope the world has? But that's right, despite having met the man, he believes he killed his mother. Because rumour says so. Because princes are taught laws, and apparently to listen to peasant rumours, because, you know, those are always correct.

 

As for listening to rumours....

 

Your mom is a queen, she suddenly disappears, and some guy who's had horror stories told about him for the last age or so about how he'll break the world and kill everyone close to him is on the throne of your mother. Rumour says he killed your mom. He's on the throne. He's the boogeyman...

 

So here's my thought process on that: Hmm, this guy is on my mom's throne. My mom's disappeared, and people say he killed her. And he's sitting on her throne. Yes, the rumours are most likely to be true.

 

How exactly does that make me a moron?

Let's revise:

 

I'm Gawyn. I've heard stories about the Dragon Rebord -- likely even read the prophecies, given my station -- and I know that despite what he's supposed to do (going mad and killing people isn't part of the prophecies, simply conjecture based on LTT)to the world (break it again), he's the only hope the world has. At all. He's on the side of the light. Furthermore, I've met the man, and rather liked him. I have judged him sound, for as long as I was in contact, and all his friends I've met I've liked. In fact, I love one of them. So when this rumour pops up -- one of many, and no more credible or from a more credible source than others -- I suddenly and compelled to throw all that away, throw away the possibility that the Dragon freaking Reborn might very well have fought a Forsaken off for killing Morgase, and hate the man. Lets forget that I've never met or heard of this Gaebril, which is suspicious being that I know most if not all of the major nobles, and that I've very likely heard what irrational things Morgase was doing in Caemlyn, and instead believe one of the many rumours about a man I met and didn't come off with a bad impression of.

 

Then I'll continue following the sisters who beat that man and confine him to a chest, after I've been given good recent word of that man from the woman I love, who knows him perhaps best, because I must uphold a law when even fellow Aes Sedai don't. Hundreds of them.

 

It's as easy to see those actions as irrational as it is to empathize with them...easier, for those of us who don't like his cookie-cutter side. He's basically Rand Al'Thor V2, replacing the world with Andor/Elayne and taking the channeling away. And much more prone to rumours. But, for sure, it's personal opinion...I hate Elayne as well, something many don't. They're probably great characters: if I can feel so strongly about fictional characters, they must be well written.

 

I like Gawyn. Sure, he should stop listening to rumours. I know that, because as a reader of the Wheel of Time series, I know things he doesn't know. Still, based on the info he has, and on his past choices, I'd say he's a pretty good character.

 

He makes more sense than Galad. Galad's sister is working on becoming an Aes Sedai, and his step mom was tower trained, and he decides to join the Whitecloaks?!? How's that for intelligent?

Well, he has as much information as many in the series who are placed as highly on the social chain as he, and he has plenty of people to fish out all the sources and info...and many times those other characters specifically state how crazy many of the rumours sound and disregard them. I just don't think his choices are intelligent. To compound it, I don't think he's important at all, and I don't think he's unique in any way. Galad I don't feel much different about, and I agree about the Whitecloak thing...but he does know many of them are ignorant bigots, and does his best to change that. Still a bit stupid.

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His sister is missing, he fears she's dead. Rumor hasn't reached him yet of her claim to the throne, has it? He's stuck in the middle of a siege. He's got the White Tower on one side and the rebel army on the other so he couldn't leave if he wanted to. I mean, what's he going to do, catch a boat from Tar Valon's docks and hope there's no embarrassing order to keep him from leaving? At the same time abandoning his Younglings. Or risk rebel patrols wiping him and his soldiers out when he travels by land... So he has reason to be upset.

 

He doesn't know Egwene is the Amyrlin Seat I don't think and he probably believes her being just an accepted will get her off the hook and out of trouble when the rebels undoubtedly fail. I mean come on, the White Tower lose? Doesn't even happen in stories.

 

Maybe Jordan has a reason to keep Gawyn close to the White Tower. He could be summoned there for whatever reason and meet with Egwene forming an escape or some other unknown plan of her's that will result in Elaida being deposed. Or maybe the path he has to take in Egwene's dream is a decision between helping the love of his life or his sister. He might even die in Caemlyn when Elayne gets swiped by Mellar.

 

He suspects a lot and knows nothing, for the most part. Whatever happens though, Jordan wouldn't have given him such a large part in the books if he wasn't going to be important. It'd be like us seeing 50 points of Weiramon's view just for the hell of it, in book 2. In the manner that romance goes in fantasy books I would place my bet on him aiding Egwene and abandoning his sister and his oath to her.

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