Christmas Mafia

[Myndrunner]

Well, we will all be looking forward to Lore's more serious and enlightneing post later on then.... ;D

 

Hybrid, that is exactly my point to everyone.  Unless you all choose ME as the target, I will honor my oath and kill whome the majority votes for.  Like you said, it defeats the purpose if I'm gonna blow it off.  When I said earlier that I could just say screw it and vote Verbal, I was only making a point to Danya that it is actually quite anti-town to refuse to vote.  Ultimately it is my decision to honor this oath, but I am telling you all that I will.

 

Like you said, I will be the next lynch if I do not.  All I ask in return is that a certain Doctor do me a favor tonight in that the Mafia will be wanting to whack ME as much as we want them gone.  Make sense?

[Myndrunner]

and as I stated earlier, I think that it makes sense for us to lynch the player who will yield us the most information.  I'm casting my vote on [glow=green,2,300]Thorum[/glow] at this time. 

 

*He led the lynch on Cosmic Panda on Day 2, in light of Vemy's death at the hands of the mafia.

 

*His mafia tell is on the fritz, but he has recinded after being called out on it.

 

*He continues to mess up his unvote, not something a vet like him would do by accident.

 

*Who votes him with us will tell us quite a bit when the coroner report is revealed.

 

Also, I will now cast my vigilante vote for [glow=yellow,2,300]Liathiana[/glow] unless she can convince me otherwise.

[MsDanya]

Danya, I think you are missing the whole point of voting.  The yellow votes is not something Barmy the Mod has created here, it is solely a poll that I am conducting among everyone to see who I should kill tonight.  I could have just as easily not said anything and picked someone by myself. 

 

Also, seeing who everyone wants me to kill tonight is also another avenue of information gathering for us innocent people.  The more you put off voting for someone, the more SCUMMISH you are beginning to look.  Refusing to vote for the vigilante kill is a statement in its own.

 

One last thing, I assure you that I am innocent; however, even if I were a solo win character, my goal right now would be the same either way: ELIMENATE THE MAFIA.  If I were a solo win player, which I am not, then I would want the Mafia out of the way first so that we don't have their night kill looming over our heads.  Help me in this task right now, and if the game does not end when the mafia are all gone, then you may lynch me.  Make sense? 

 

I didnt miss the point at all. I dont think you read my post properly. I DONT TRUST YOU! You put words in our mouths (fingers?) and expects us all to just believe you. well, I dont trust that you are completely pro-town. I can vote for a vig-kill, I just think your agenda is different then ours.

 

But still, you make sense. we can kill you later I suppose. I still think Tig is the most mafiaish person. So my vote stands like it is for now.

[Barmacral]

Deadline is around 1am EST Thursday morning, thats about 22.5 hours from now.

[Myndrunner]

Well, it looks like we have some more time.  Let's continue the debate, shall we?

 

Danya, let's assume I AM a solo-win psycho hose beast that only can win when everyone else is gone.  Who would be a bigger threat to me? Roleless innocents or scumbag mafiosos? It would be incredibly stupid for me to target innocents.  The quicker I can get the mafia out of the way, the better.

 

Now, in truth, I am not a solo win character.  I am innocent and win with my fellow innocents.  Still, my objective remains the same: elimenate the mafia. 

 

Since you have tossed the accusation, I'll bite.  How have I been putting words in everyone's mouth?  I am not asking you to trust me, I am asking you to use logic.  Let's kill the mafia and if the game doesn't end when the mafia is gone, then it is quite simple.  Lynch me then. 

 

Please elaborate on your reasons for Tigara, and not just for me but for everyone.  If we are to make a sound decision, we all would like to hear you specific reasons for your vote. 

[Thorum]

Thorum, I am beginning to think you actually want to keep your vote on Cosmic Panda without anyone noticing.  You are a very experienced player and DM member, so I am certain you know the difference between glowed and colored text.  Why do you continue to mess up your unvote?

 

Internet explorer. [glow=red,2,300]unvote[/glow] and [glow=red,2,300]vote mynd[/glow].

 

Satisfied?

 

 

Also' date=' he was with the whole mob that wanted Cosmic Panda's head until I blew the whistle on it.[/quote']

 

Which mob? 

 

Metagamers can see that he is being very Mafia Thorum in this game with trying to take control of the game with his charts and analysis.  What happened to all that' date=' Thor?  You were on a roll there and then suddenly...KAPUT.  No more plusses and minuses.  If that really wasn't your mafia tell, then how come you stopped when it was pointed out?   ;)[/quote']

 

That's something I only do if I've got a whole day I want to waste away. That was possible when I was at school, but not anymore no I have work. Especially since our only competitor has just fired 200 people.

 

Also, you assume I only vote for you because I think you're mafia. That's wrong: I vote you because you're acting the most mafia-ish AND have said to be assassin. The reason I give a yellow vote is that I want to give everyone the chance to prove they are who they say they are.

 

I'll read pages 21 and 22 later

[Thorum]

Not much has changed.

 

However, I must make an addendum. Mynd is the most active player in this game. This means he has most opportunity to post theories and defences. Do not forget it is very easy to trust an active player much more than an inactive one.

[MsDanya]

Well, it looks like we have some more time.  Let's continue the debate, shall we?

 

Danya, let's assume I AM a solo-win psycho hose beast that only can win when everyone else is gone.  Who would be a bigger threat to me? Roleless innocents or scumbag mafiosos? It would be incredibly stupid for me to target innocents.  The quicker I can get the mafia out of the way, the better.

 

Now, in truth, I am not a solo win character.  I am innocent and win with my fellow innocents.  Still, my objective remains the same: elimenate the mafia. 

 

Since you have tossed the accusation, I'll bite.  How have I been putting words in everyone's mouth?  I am not asking you to trust me, I am asking you to use logic.  Let's kill the mafia and if the game doesn't end when the mafia is gone, then it is quite simple.  Lynch me then. 

 

Please elaborate on your reasons for Tigara, and not just for me but for everyone.  If we are to make a sound decision, we all would like to hear you specific reasons for your vote. 

 

Sure, I like a good one  ;D

 

Like in any game you play, you lash out at anyone and everyone with your accusations. You love role-revealing, and will do it in any game you have the chance to. Yes, I'm doing what I hate most, and being a meta-gamer, but whatever. I dont think its very suspicious to question your reveal since none of us besides you Mynd can be sure of your alignment in this game. You can very well be a solo-win, and would of course want to kill the Mafia, but as a solo-win, you wouldnt be too opposed to kill innocents either. You claim to win with the town, and if thats so, its a very good thing.

 

Like I said earlier today before I had to run to work, I'm all for using logic. Fine, lets do it your way, but like you said, if we dont win when the mafia is dead, you're hte one to go. I dont trust you at all, never have in any mafiagame and probably never will  :P

 

And did you mean my reasons for voting Tigs? Or someone elses? Cause I thought I was clear on my reason. I think his "Im only active in games where I have roles" is a too easy excuse for hiding his veyr possible mafianess. Simple as that.

 

 

[Myndrunner]

Danya, that's fine in fact anyone who trusts anyone in a mafia game hasn't learned how to play mafia.  Heck, even the mafia should not completely trust each other in the more advanced games, eh Megatron?  ;)  On the other hand, logic never lies and what makes the most sense for the innocents right now is to follow through with this [glow=yellow,2,300]yellow[/glow] voting strategy that I came up with.

 

Now, so far your reasons for voting Tigs is pretty weak.  There are reasons that I would cite that make him look a bit scummish, but so far you haven't said anything.  At this point, Lia, Thorum, and you seem to be the most likely mafia in my opinion.  Here is a fact recap on each of those three:

 

Lia:

Voted for the lynch of innocent Catina Sedai, part of the bandwagon

At the beginning of Day 2, she posted that we should go after whoever was gunning for Vemy & Talya

When called out on that statement sounding quite scummish, she posts about not playing mafia anymore

Tigara comes to her defense, and she later votes him because he seems scummish, weak reasons

No solid reasons are given other than he isnt very active

She currently holds her vote on Tigara, with Danya

 

Thorum:

Immediately at the start of Day 2, he votes Cosmic Panda, citing the obvious reasons

A marathon post ensues with plus and minus signs all over the place

Myndrunner calls Thorum out on his mafia tell, claiming he is up to his charts & graphs tricks

We dont get another post like that again the whole game from Thorum

Twice he has deliberately messed up his unvoting, which kept his vote on Cosmic Panda (unsure why?)

Says that he is voting me because he thinks im mafia and because I claimed Assassin

Says that it is easier to trust a more active player in a game as opposed to inactive ones.

 

Danya:

Her normal self during Day 1, posts her opinion but doesn't vote

Beginning of Day 2, not much activity, again typical Danya style

Continues to profess that she doesn't trust me from Day 1

Ignores other more glaring scum for Tigara who she says is mafia because of his inactivity

Refuses to vote yellow because she doesn't trust me

Says that Tigara's statement "I am only active in games where I have roles" is enough to lynch him

 

I'm sure I am missing some things, so if anyone else has anything please let us know.  Sometimes people cannot see the truth through their own fear.  I am not asking anyone to trust me, but trust your own logic.  The mafia have presented themselves to us, we just need to use logic and the powers of deduction to figure out who they are.  I think we have like 12 hours left....thoughts?

[MsDanya]

more glaring mafia? Who? Like Thorum? Or Lithiania? Or Lia? Why not Cosmic Panda, who used the exact same reasons for voting Tigara as I did, even before I voted him? I Dont see why that would make me scum, other than disagreeing with you  ::)

[Thorum]

Thorum:

Immediately at the start of Day 2, he votes Cosmic Panda, citing the obvious reasons

A marathon post ensues with plus and minus signs all over the place

Myndrunner calls Thorum out on his mafia tell, claiming he is up to his charts & graphs tricks

We dont get another post like that again the whole game from Thorum

Twice he has deliberately messed up his unvoting, which kept his vote on Cosmic Panda (unsure why?)

Says that he is voting me because he thinks im mafia and because I claimed Assassin

Says that it is easier to trust a more active player in a game as opposed to inactive ones.

 

CHarts & graphs? Where is that? If you mean the place I used plusses and minuses in Talya's posts - it was a simplification. Which deduced ... nothing. Very mafiaish, I agree.

 

The fact that it was the only time I gave a thorough view (which I like best), has already been explained: I'm drowning in work, and was finished quick enough with an excersise on training to be able to go through everything for an hour or two.

 

I have also never DELIBERATELY messed up voting (btw, we were like 10 pages further before anyone noticed a little manco, which would never have been counted - same with all the others). And it happened about 5 times, not just two.

 

What's wrong with not being 100% sure you're mafia?

 

It is easier to trust a more active player in a game. You like bending my words so they could be interpreted as saying something I didn't say (like that active players are more likely innocent), but this part of your semi-quote is absolute truth. Like previously explained. This makes me keep my vote on you. I actually logged on to change it.

 

I think it's very strange you haven't even mentioned my assassin-antipathy...

[Myndrunner]

Ok, I figured I have the time now, let's do a post by post recap starting from POST#1 from Barmy.  So this post here will be a recap of Day 1 and the next post will be a recap of Day 2.  Gonna be a long one, but I figure that we need to look at all the evidence.  I will try and be as unbiased as possible in posting the recaps, but I will also offer my opinion in parentheses.  I think we need to consider everyone as a possible mafia, including me until we can decide on who is more scummish than the other.

 

Keep in mind that I am posting recaps from everyone....so if your name shows up quite a few times, thats because you posted that many times.

 

Ok....

 

DAY 1 Begins - Barm posts the rules and roles.  Roles are: Mafia, Cop, Assassin, Healer, Symp.  Votes are to be glowed [glow=red,2,300]red[/glow] or [glow=green,2,300]green[/glow] to count, no other color. Days will be 72 hours, nights will be 48 and he will extend as necessary.

 

Myndrunner, Danya, and Tigara all post their "just checking in" posts

 

Vemynal posts the list of names that were at the time missing from the original post (or to justify his random vote) makes up a bunch of equations and such and then declares that Thorum will get his vote.

 

Catina, Talya, and Verbal all post their hello-how are yas with no votes.

 

Hybrid posts his hello, and votes "Random Vote: Liathiana" 

 

Thorum skips the hello and says that random.org told him to vote Tigara, who he still thinks is a girl

 

Danya laughs about Thorum mistaking Tigs for a girl, and then Verbal laughs about it.

 

Tigara votes Thorum for the whole SHE fiasco and Barmy the Mod posts his amusement at how Thorum makes this mistake every time and is corrected every time.  Catina also joins in and makes a joke about stealing bonestones.

 

Myndrunner joins in with the fun and then votes Cosmic Panda claiming that he was unfortunate to be #8 paying homage to Loki.  Verbal posts an acknowledgement about Thorum making the Tigara mistake often.

 

Catina posts that she will vote the next person who votes behind her.  Vemy posts next with a "How could you?" post, and then Talya replies with the "I thought you were in front of Vemy" leading to a bunch of Huh? Catina eventually posts her vote for Vemy but then unvotes in the same post.

 

Barmy arrives again to let us know that Loreina is the only one who has yet to confirm.

 

Liathiana thought we were not beginning so soon, and votes Hybrid for voting her.  (Lore obviously takes note of this later on)

 

Tigara spams and Lorenia arrives and posts about how it is too early to vote, maybe Wednesday.  Barmy replies that its all good in the hood and he has extended our Day 1 accordingly.

 

Cosmic Panda responds with OMGUS and votes Myndrunner.  Catina spams. Thorum unvotes (properly) and votes himself for the Tigara gender blunder.

 

Day 1 starts to take a more serious turn when Myndrunner posts a recap and his own suspiciouns.  Catina replies that she thinks Myndrunner has a lot of time on his hands.  Hybrid points out Myndrunner's miscount and votes him then unvotes and revotes Liathiana. 

 

Danya pouts for not being included in the list.  Cosmic says that his retaliation vote of Mynd was more valid than Mynd's vote on Cosmic.  Catina votes Danya so that she feels inculded, then in the same post unvotes.

 

Liathiana posts about how her reason for voting was more valid than Hybrid's.  Hybrid responds with his quantum mafia java equation to justify his vote. Liathiana giggles and blames java.

 

Thorum unvotes himself and votes Talya because she hasn't voted yet. (Actually, a pro-town move to me) Catina and Myndrunner spam.  Barmy posts the following recap:

 

Current Vote Count:

 

Thorum (2): Vemynal, Tigara

Liathiana (1): Hybrid

cosmicpanda (1): Myndrunner

Hybrid (1): Liathiana

Myndrunner (1): cosmicpanda

Talya (1): Thorum

 

Cosmic Panda spams and Catina votes Danya again so that she isn't left out, but this time the vote stays. 

 

Vemy unvotes and declares that since everyone has shown up, the goofy votes can come to an end.  He all but bangs a gong to say lets get it on.  Vemy says that everyone has shown up except Loreina. Barm corrects him.

 

Spam between Catina, Mynd, and Verbal, and then Loreina says that maybe she should vote Vemy for not noticing that she had posted already.

 

Vemy posts a serious recap post and votes Talya because he says that it is likely that she is laying low on purpose.  He admits that it sounds scummish to do so.  He also states that this is the first mafia game other than Suras that he has played in like 6 months. He posts a voters recap and begins to pitch his widdle us down theory.

 

Catina leaps to vote Vemy for his vote on Talya for admitting it sounding scummish but voting her anyway.

 

Vemy replies casually saying that he is voting for Talya pretty much the same reason that Thorum voted, he also says that he could toss in his hat and let Danya loose on this one. 

 

Danya says that she admits it looks scummish and questions Vemy's statement about letting her loose, but would rather vote Myndrunner for stroking his mustaches all the time.  Myndrunner strokes Danya's mustaches and claims that it is far too early to come up with wild theories, yet he does say that Catina's sudden vote on Vemy was pretty scummish.

 

Cosmic Panda scratches his head at Catina's Post and then Thormum asks the Mod what happens if a majority is not reached.  Verbal explains what he thinks Catina was trying to say and hates the word scummish.

 

Talya (who we know was the Symp) posts the following:

LOL, thanks Vemy, I have only been able to pop on here for brief moments over the weekend, so haven't had chance to look through the longer threads (which also included the Suras game).

 

But I'm here now...

 

And Thorum, how could you.... :'(

 

Glad to see Mynd is his usual self, though I noticed no stroking of his moustache when he was an innocent on the Suras Game...hmmm..interesting!

 

Oh and vemy I had no idea what I meant by that comment at the beginning, I think it came out wrong, but now alass I have forgotten.

 

Danya says she always thinks Myndrunner is scummish.  (Second anti-Mynd post this game)

 

Barmy explains that if no majority is reached, he will lynch the one with the most votes.

 

Catina posts her frustration for looking scummy for posting her opinion.  Thanks Verbal for explaining her post to Cosmic Panda, and then continues to push for a Vemy vote because she thinks he is trying to lead us astray. 

 

(Keep in mind that at this point none of us know that Catina and Vemy are both innocent except the Mafia and the Symp)

 

Tigara says that metagaming is the definition of evil.  Catina asks what metagaming is and Danya replies that it is saying that someone is evil because they are always evil.  (Sounds familiar)  Tigara seconds this and Catina thanks them for their response.

 

Myndrunner chimes in with some useless babble, but of note he sites that he is wary of Talya being so inactive in this game and not in the others; however, his vote goes to Catina.  (I found her the most scummish at the time) Catina retorts citing that if she sneezed Myndrunner would find it scummish.

 

Verbal, Catina, and Barmy discuss the future of Church Mafia and then Barmy states that for the rest of the day, he will only accept green votes. Myndrunner posts Merry Christmas and leads a lynch on Christmas.

 

Cosmic Panda posts his recap. Vemy protests why he is seen as leading everyone towards Talya. (Note: Thorum voted her first)  Vemy then posts a voters recap.

 

Myndrunner posts his suspiciouns about Vemy, Talya, and Hybrid, but keeps his vote on Catina.

 

(END DAY 1, PART 1)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Myndrunner]

(this is a pain in the ass.....just please go back and read the original posts...ok?)

 

more glaring mafia? Who? Like Thorum? Or Lithiania? Or Lia? Why not Cosmic Panda, who used the exact same reasons for voting Tigara as I did, even before I voted him? I Dont see why that would make me scum, other than disagreeing with you  ::)

 

Danya, um Lia and Liathiana are the same person and with Thorum, you three make up my top suspects right now.  Cosmic Panda is not voting for Tigara as a lynch, he is voting for him as his Vig vote.  You have refused to vote for the Vig vote at all.  It's not about disagreeing with me, it is that you refuse to do what is best for the innocents. That is what makes you look scummish. 

 

CHarts & graphs? Where is that? If you mean the place I used plusses and minuses in Talya's posts - it was a simplification. Which deduced ... nothing. Very mafiaish, I agree.

 

The fact that it was the only time I gave a thorough view (which I like best), has already been explained: I'm drowning in work, and was finished quick enough with an excersise on training to be able to go through everything for an hour or two.

 

I have also never DELIBERATELY messed up voting (btw, we were like 10 pages further before anyone noticed a little manco, which would never have been counted - same with all the others). And it happened about 5 times, not just two.

 

What's wrong with not being 100% sure you're mafia?

 

It is easier to trust a more active player in a game. You like bending my words so they could be interpreted as saying something I didn't say (like that active players are more likely innocent), but this part of your semi-quote is absolute truth. Like previously explained. This makes me keep my vote on you. I actually logged on to change it.

 

I think it's very strange you haven't even mentioned my assassin-antipathy...

 

Thorum, you are drowning in work yet you have time to come post another marathon post to defend yourself?  Interesting....and there is nothing wrong with not being 100% sure I am mafia.  You used plusses and minuses on all of us, which is similar to what you did in the Fast Mafia game you OWNED us all in.  How you can forget that sweet victory is beyond me and how you suddenly stopped those kind of posts after being called out on it makes me question you even more. 

 

Both you and Danya say that I am turning words around on things that you didn't say.  Show us an example, please.

 

It is becoming clear that both Danya and Thorum are on a desperate smear campaign on me because I have outed their entire mafia.  I am an innocent Vigilante, but even if I was a Solo Win player....we must first kill the Mafia.  Danya and Thorum would like you to believe that I am the bigger threat, but use logic.  Again, I am innocent and killing off the Mafia will prove it when the game ends. 

[MsDanya]

I'm not on a desperate smear campaign, I'm just not willing to trust you as much as others seem to do. And if you're going to kill someone, what does it matter if they die by a lynch than a vigkill? I think Tigs is the best option for a lynch right now, and I dont see why you're so against it. My vote is never set in stone, if some others come up with otehr good reasons for voting someone else, sure, bring it, and i'll see if I agree with it, or think of something of my own. Right now, I'm voting for who I think is the best candidate for a lynch, and thats that. I'm not saying you're the biggest threat right now, or I would vote for you. I already agreed with you on your logic to take out the mafia first, and see what happens with you afterwards. Siding with you is always conventient because you have your theories and walls of text to back you up, but whenever someone doesnt really agree, they must be mafia. I see why you would think so, but thats not the case here (With me at least, I dont know about Thorum).

 

I havent refused to vote for a vig-kill, I dont know who I Would vote for a kill like that. I'm still not sure if its just a way for Mynd to make us do his job of winning this game for him, for his own amusement, or not.

 

And why did Barm call it an assassin if the role is really a vigilante? They are two very different things if I remember my english right. 

[Myndrunner]

Danya, right now the burden of proof is on you to convince me that Tigs is more scummish than the other three I mentioned.  Which is it?  Is Tigs mafia because he is inactive like you suggest, or am I mafia because I post more, like Thorum suggests? 

 

Cosmic Panda already has a VIG vote on Tigara.  If you are indeed innocent, then I suggest that you change your lynch vote to someone else so we can reach a majority and vote TIG for your vig vote.  Your continued refusal to cooperate with the town is making you look very suspect.  Even if you are mafia, you really should consider playing ball at this point.  :-\

[MsDanya]

I like activity in a game, thats why Tigs reasoning isnt sitting too well with me.

 

But lynching Tigs is obviously not going to happen, so why not. [glow=red,2,300]Unvote Tigs[/glow] [glow=yellow,2,300]Tigara[/glow].

 

I'm not refusing to cooperate with the Town, i'm refusing to cooperate fully with YOU! This game isnt all about your opinions and your accusations and your theories, other people are allowed to voice their opinions, just like you are!

 

I would like a vote count tho, there's been alot of voting and unvoting lately. So, Mynd, you think Lithiania (i doubti 'm spelling it right, sorry if i'm way off) is evil? Why? I could go back, but right now, I'm trying to clean the apartment so its ready for my christmasparty later this week  :P Yes Mynd, some of us DO have a real life  :P

[Myndrunner]

I like activity in a game, thats why Tigs reasoning isnt sitting too well with me.

 

But lynching Tigs is obviously not going to happen, so why not. [glow=red,2,300]Unvote Tigs[/glow] [glow=yellow,2,300]Tigara[/glow].

 

Thank you for your vig vote, but I would like to know your thoughts on who you feel is mafia other than Tigs.  We really should reach a majority on who goes today.

 

 

I'm not refusing to cooperate with the Town, i'm refusing to cooperate fully with YOU! This game isnt all about your opinions and your accusations and your theories, other people are allowed to voice their opinions, just like you are!

 

Great! I have been asking for everyone's opinions.  I would love to hear from everyone else.

 

I would like a vote count tho, there's been alot of voting and unvoting lately. So, Mynd, you think Lithiania (i doubti 'm spelling it right, sorry if i'm way off) is evil? Why? I could go back, but right now, I'm trying to clean the apartment so its ready for my christmasparty later this week  :P Yes Mynd, some of us DO have a real life  :P

 

Some of us DO have a real life.....as in Tigara? You can't have it both ways here, my Nordic Princess.  You can't spout on about how Tigara looks suspicous because of his inactivity and then turn around and say that some of us do have real lives.  Since when did I accuse you of being inactive anyway?  *scratches head*

 

For Danya's conveience.....

 

Liathiana:

Voted for the lynch of innocent Catina Sedai, part of the bandwagon

At the beginning of Day 2, she posted that we should go after whoever was gunning for Vemy & Talya

When called out on that statement sounding quite scummish, she posts about not playing mafia anymore

Tigara comes to her defense, and she later votes him because he seems scummish, weak reasons

No solid reasons are given other than he isnt very active

She currently holds her vote on Tigara, with Danya

 

Danya, what are your thoughts about Thorum?

[MsDanya]

Some of us DO have a real life.....as in Tigara? You can't have it both ways here, my Nordic Princess.  You can't spout on about how Tigara looks suspicous because of his inactivity and then turn around and say that some of us do have real lives.  Since when did I accuse you of being inactive anyway?  *scratches head*

 

If that was his reason for being inactive, that would just just fine! But his excuse for inactivity was that he couldnt be bothered being active because he didnt have a role. Those two are veyr different. And I didnt say you had mentioned me being inactive, but you did say something about me having very convenient reasons for being inactive or something like that.

 

Other than Tigs, Hybrid is sticking out, but I might be wrong, and I need to read some more first.

 

I havent made many thoughts about Thorum. I agree that he might be trying to dazzle us with his numbers and percentages and stuff, but I'm not sure if he does it to help or to make others seem more mafiaish than others.

[Myndrunner]

Verbal said a similar reason for his lack of activity.  He says he is in four different mafia games and one of them had to take a backseat....it turend out to be this one.  Makes sense, but it could also be a cover for laying low. 

 

We all know that in Mafia you gotta break some eggs to make an omlette. Innocents are going to die, but their deaths are not pointless if they yield information.  Catina and Vemy's deaths have given us some info, but which player will yield the most info either way?  We need to select someone who clearly has supporters and nay sayers.  That way, their coroner report will tell us who to look at next. I think that our best bet right now is Thorum, but Liathiana is also hot on my radar. 

 

I wanna hear from more people and I would like to hear back from you Danya on your reasons for suspecting Hybrid.  He has been on my radar too, but not as much as others.

[MsDanya]

>Just a comment to your post mynd, before I answer about Hybrid.

 

what Verbal said was different imo. He was/is in many games, trying to be active there, Tigs just said he couldnt be bothered cuase he didnt have a role in this one.

[Myndrunner]

True, that is a difference and maybe Tigs can elaborate further on this, but I have found that there are a lot of players who tend to be less active unless they have a juicy role. Sometimes, the more active someone is means they are likely a roled player. 

 

Yes, please elaborate on Hybrid....

[Thorum]

Thorum, you are drowning in work yet you have time to come post another marathon post to defend yourself?

 

I don't work till 7 pm. I have a live, you know :D (damn, I wasn't the first to mention that :( )

 

and there is nothing wrong with not being 100% sure I am mafia. 

 

Yes there is.

 

r am I mafia because I post more' date=' like Thorum suggests? [/quote']

 

Like already stated twice: you are not more nor less mafia because you post more. Read what I write, not what you wanna make of it.

 

I've just read why you think lia and danya are evil, and it even makes even less sense than your 'case' against me did.

 

Also, mynd, why haven't you still voted for me yet? You're using about 5 pages already on saying how evil I am, and if I remember correctly your vote still is on someone else...

[Tigara]

True, that is a difference and maybe Tigs can elaborate further on this, but I have found that there are a lot of players who tend to be less active unless they have a juicy role. Sometimes, the more active someone is means they are likely a roled player. 

 

Yes, please elaborate on Hybrid....

 

During the course of this game, I've been in at least 4 others. And I have so far found this one to be of lesser interest. And yes, I'm packing to move next week. Yes, I'm doing Christmas baking.

[Verbal32]

I'm going to bold a couple of statements in your post, Thorum.

 

Like already stated twice: you are not more nor less mafia because you post more. Read what I write, not what you wanna make of it.

 

I've just read why you think lia and danya are evil, and it even makes even less sense than your 'case' against me did.

 

Also, mynd, why haven't you still voted for me yet? You're using about 5 pages already on saying how evil I am, and if I remember correctly your vote still is on someone else...

 

How on Earth can you be saying things like this when you voted for Mynd for a lynch, and then voted me in yellow for a vig kill.........from Mynd??  As I asked you before, on what world is this logical?  I try to play mafia with a logical mind, and I can't find any logic in many of your posts.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Thorum[/glow]

 

...and because I can't remember freakin' colors.....

 

[glow=green,2,300]Thorum[/glow]

[Loreina]

 

I also am second guessing the lynch on Loreina as well.  All vendettas against Myndrunner should not make one look scummish, and in some cases, it makes you innocent.  I've been known to toss out wild theories and the fact that no one understood what the heck she was talking about, leads me to believe that she is working alone and therefore innocent. 

  and

I would love to hear from everyone else.

 

yeah, well it almost got me lynched, so I'd be reluctant to let you hear another, even if I had one, which I don't atm. I thought if I was close to the truth the evils might come after me at night, but a lynching didn't occur to me.

 

I still haven't read everything, but I'm worried about this whole innocent assassin thing. I went back and looked at the rules, but that wasn't much help.  Bear with me while I cogitate:

 

If there are three Evil Elves, then only six innocents remain, if the assassin is considered an innocent. Barm hasn't said. I couldn't find anything in the rules specifically about that in the definition of that role. If he counts as an innocent, I should remove my vote from him. Why?  We need the numbers. But I don't think he should do a Vig kill. Why?

Assuming three Evils and Five Innocents, the assassin has almost a 2-1 chance of killing an innocent instead of an evil at this point, especially since we have so little to go on and all three Evils are still alive and influencing the voting. This game could get very short very quickly if he successfully kills tonight (I'll get back to this in a moment). I don't like the odds, or the fact that the three evils have so much say in a Vig vote. That's why I suggested that we might be better off without an assassin. But if he counts as an innocent, we have to keep him around to increase our numbers. But he should consider not killing anyone if we keep him. Because, if one of us gets lynched, that will leave five innocents (including the assassin), and then if they successfully NK another of us, which is as likely as not, that will leave only four innocents, and then if the assassin Vig kills an innocent, boom - the game will be over, Mafia wins. Unless we luck out and lynch an Evil, it's just too risky at this point in the game to do a Vig kill. The risk to the innocents is too great.

Even if we get an Evil lynched, night begins right then. Whatever we learn from it, we wouldn't have a chance to change a Vig vote, cause Barm'll have the thread locked. 

I've read elsewhere that the assassin doesn't have to kill every night. So I'll [glow=red,2,300]unvote[/glow] and suggest no Vig kill tonight. Let's concentrate on who to lynch for today, see what that tells us, and then examine our options for Day 3.