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How did Aginor find the Eye?


RAND AL THOR

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Except the Forsaken were bound 3,000 years ago (BEFORE Aridhol) and "friend" and "enemy" are more personal than their "awareness" of the world implies.

 

Very simply put... not neccessarily. The Forsaken support - no, they represent - the Shadow - any enemy of the Shadow is their enemy, and everything that benefits it may be termed as their friend. If the Shadow-wrought taint on saidin reacts to the taint of Shadar Logoth, then it stands to perfect reason that the Forsaken can relate to it as well. It's so blatantly obvious I cannot even begin to imagine why insist otherwise.

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The Forsaken support - no, they represent - the Shadow - any enemy of the Shadow is their enemy, and everything that benefits it may be termed as their friend.

 

None of those psychos represent anything but themselves.  The only commonality they share is that each sees himself as being the top of the tree.

 

The Forsaken are just tools that the DO uses because it must.

 

The DO is just a tool each of the Forsaken uses because they can.  None of them are about anything beyond themselves.

 

Only if Shadar Logoth bore on any of their personal desires would it have any significance to any of them whatsoever.  Otherwise it's just a trifle with no relevance to their ultimate goal.

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Except the Forsaken were bound 3,000 years ago (BEFORE Aridhol) and "friend" and "enemy" are more personal than their "awareness" of the world implies.

 

Very simply put... not neccessarily. The Forsaken support - no, they represent - the Shadow - any enemy of the Shadow is their enemy, and everything that benefits it may be termed as their friend. If the Shadow-wrought taint on saidin reacts to the taint of Shadar Logoth, then it stands to perfect reason that the Forsaken can relate to it as well. It's so blatantly obvious I cannot even begin to imagine why insist otherwise.

 

Asmo, I think you are missing the essence of Avery's statement. He says that the Forsaken were trapped in the Bore. They may have been able to see the events but did not participate in any way. Hence they were never really in contact with SL.

 

They greeting of Mat seems 'personal.' If they were only aware of events in the world, then they could not really use the words 'friend' and 'enemy.' Those words just seem to suggest direct involvement, which we know was impossible.

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