Disguises and Ter'angreal

[trakand_01]

I'm stealing someone else's comment from a different forum so don't blame me if it's a ridiculous question  ;)

 

Nynaeve and Cadsuane wear ter'angreal which cause weaves to dissipate, yes? (I may be wrong here).

 

Does this apply purely to weaves of attack, or would it affect other weaves.

 

For example, if Nynaeve got close enough to the person in question, would a power-wraught disguise dissolve to reveal the real person beneath?

 

Even as i'm typing this I think i've proven myself wrong - when Rand goes to Caemlyn in disguise he gets quite close to Nynaeve still in his disguise... or is that before she gets that particular ter'angreal?

 

 

[Majsju]

The answer is given in KOD.

[Asmo]

It dissolves weaves directed against the wearer, whatever they are (Healing, disguise, fireballs etc). Nynaeve probably didn't consider that when she thought about disguising herself in front of Rand, unless her ter'angreal is more selective than Cadsuane's and Mat's. What Cadsuane used to unmask Semirhage was probably a weave or the function of another ter'angreal, unless hers is customized, too. Long story short - we don't know.

[Luckers]

The answer is given in KOD.

 

Not so Maj--the destruction of a distant weave seems to be an entirely different action to the dissipation of a weave that touchers the wearer. Therefore it seems likely that Cadsuane has a seperate ter'angreal that achieves this--and given it didn't dissolve Nynaeve's masking or anything else, it is apparently a focussed device, specifically activated. If Nynaeve has a comprable ter'angreal it would not have activated around Rand.

[Majsju]

The answer is given in KOD.

 

Not so Maj--the destruction of a distant weave seems to be an entirely different action to the dissipation of a weave that touchers the wearer. Therefore it seems likely that Cadsuane has a seperate ter'angreal that achieves this--and given it didn't dissolve Nynaeve's masking or anything else, it is apparently a focussed device, specifically activated. If Nynaeve has a comprable ter'angreal it would not have activated around Rand.

 

And that is what I meant, the fact that Nynaeve could stand right next to Cadsuane without her weave being dissipated shows us that Cadsuanes ter'angreal does not have an effect on just any weave around her.

 

 

[trakand_01]

What Cadsuane used to unmask Semirhage was probably a weave or the function of another ter'angreal, unless hers is customized, too.

 

I havent read book 11 yet, but from what i've seen of Semirhage's 'disguise' so far, she didnt try too hard!!

 

Tall, lean, mean-looking black woman with a temper and a penchant for violence....

 

Oh hey, anyone seen Semirhage recently!?

[Luckers]

And that is what I meant, the fact that Nynaeve could stand right next to Cadsuane without her weave being dissipated shows us that Cadsuanes ter'angreal does not have an effect on just any weave around her.

 

Ah, right. Gotcha. I was just confused because its never actually directly stated in KoD. But yes, you are correct, all you need to figure out the answer is there.

 

I havent read book 11 yet, but from what i've seen of Semirhage's 'disguise' so far, she didnt try too hard!!

 

Tall, lean, mean-looking black woman with a temper and a penchant for violence....

 

Oh hey, anyone seen Semirhage recently!?

 

I assume by asking that that you really want an answer.... still ill drop it down in case u dont wnat to get spoiled.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Semirhage disguises herself as Tuon and goes to meet with Rand who asked for a truce--Cadsuane breaks her disguise. Semirhage was not disguising how she looked when she was acting as Anath.

[Guest Dreadlord]

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Semirhage disguises herself as Tuon and goes to meet with Rand who asked for a truce--Cadsuane breaks her disguise. Semirhage was not disguising how she looked when she was acting as Anath

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Cadsuane did NOT break the weave. WARNING, SPOILERS

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is what happened. At the instant that Tuon walked in, Rand had a feeling as if he was made of mist, as if he was dissappearing to a point. It was a ripple in reality, we know that because it happens in in Perrins PoV as well (which helped us figure out what was happening at the same time with different groups of characters). Cadsuane did NOT break Semis disguise, it was a ripple in reality that enabled Rand to see through the disguise for a second. And when he said "Semirhage..." she instantly dropped the disguise. Cadsuane had nothing to do with it

[Luckers]

Sorry mate, but no--firstly, the ripple effect you described was experienced in Faile's POV, not Perrins. Secondly, Rand did not feel made of mist, or that he would disapear--that was again experienced by Faile.

 

Rand, as they walked closer, was warned by Nynaeve that one of the women was channeling, but that the weave was inverted. Rand asked if she could tell which one, and Cadsuane replied that they could not, but that she could do something about it if they got closer. When they came close enough he witnessed that Semirhage flickered--not that she became immaterial, or that the world became mist, but that she flickered between the appearence of Tuon and Semirhage. Here is the quote.

 

Abruptly, no more than ten paces away, she... flickered. For an instant, she was taller than most men, garbed all in black, surprise on her face, and though she still wore the veil, her head was covered with short-cut wavy black hair. Only an instant before the small woman re-turned, her step faltering as she let her white skirts fall, but another flicker and the tall dark woman stood their, her face twisted with rage behind the veil.

 

[KoD - A Plain Wooden Box - 588]

 

So yeah, sorry, but it was Cadsuane that broke Semirhage's disguise.

[Guest Dreadlord]

Where in that passage does it hint at Cadsuane? You missed out the bit before that which is the iportant bit. I will post it tonight when I get home

[icspots]

Where in that passage does it hint at Cadsuane? You missed out the bit before that which is the iportant bit. I will post it tonight when I get home

 

I wouldn't say it hinted at Cadsuane but rather that it said it right out.  Cad told Rand she could "do something" if they got closer and then when they got closer very obviously something interfered with Semi weaving her inverted disguise.  While it's certainly possible that there was another force at work here it's simpler to just believe that a few moments after a character states they'll do something and something happens that it was caused by that character and not some random third party.  It's a Rand POV so we can't expect him to know exactly what she's doing.

 

 

[Guest Dreadlord]

OK guys hands up, Ive reread that scene again and it does indeed show that Cadsuane did it. Fair enough. that ripple in reality doesnt even happen on the same page (I couldnt even find that bit tbh) so yea I see that I was wrong. And Cadsuane has just gone higher in my list of favorite characters.