Would you accept Rand returning to life?

[Guest Dreadlord]

I am going off memory alone on this, and its been a while, but the only thing I recall that marks Alivia apart from anyone else is that she is significantly stonger than Nynaeve-which means she is on par with most of the female Forsaken, maybe even on a level with Rand-and that she aparantly knows all there is to know about killing with the One Power.

 

If I could pick between any one Ashaman to have on my side or Alivia, I would pick Alivia without a doubt. As mentioned earlier she has several centuries worth of One Power warfare under her belt. Several HUNDRED years.

 

Alivia: "Balefire? Dude, Ive been channeling since before your great, great, great grandmother was born!"

[RAND AL THOR]

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[Sabio]

Don't forget also Rand had Asmo for a teacher, he taught Rand alot of the basic stuff thus giving Rand the abilty to think and work out other ways to do things.  Others things he would just do without knowing how he did it.

[Tigara]

And she has training from a culture with 3,000 years experience with fighting with the power, a culture that managed to eradicate its shadowspawn--that counts too.

 

 

Umm, try 1000. The damane came in after the Hundred Years' War. That was a 1000 years ago.

 

But on the topic of the thread, I'm looking forward to a partnership between 4 channelers who will Heal death. A very certain 4 that I'm sure you can puzzle out. ;D

[Mr Ares]

And she has training from a culture with 3,000 years experience with fighting with the power, a culture that managed to eradicate its shadowspawn--that counts too.

Umm, try 1000. The damane came in after the Hundred Years' War. That was a 1000 years ago.

The damane were brought in during the conquest, so they could have been brought in during the War, possibly even during Hawkwing's lifetime depending on timing, but still only 1,000 years ago, give or take. Weren't the Shadowspawn on the Seanchan continent wiped out by the Armies of the Night, though? The "exotics" were brought through the Portal Stones to help deal with Shadowspawn, and they were already there when Luthair arrived. So they are from a culture with 1,000 years of fighting with the Power, and a culture that destroyed a culture that had eradicated all its Shadowspawn. Also, number of years experience a fighting technique has behind it is largely irrelevant if it has been superceded. How many centuries of backing did the cavalry charge have before the machine gun made it redundant? "These new-fangled machine guns may only have ten years experience behind them, and add a degree more flash, but a good old cavalry charge has centuries behind it and that counts," said the general, right before the slaughter of another regiment. Likewise, Alivia is used to operating in a rather different tactical environment - as a damane, as part of a partnership (a distinctly unequal one) between dmane and sul'dam. The Asha'man have no such previous experience, many have no previous military experience, which can work in their favour as they have no bad habits to unlearn. Asha'man can also detect womens channeling, an advantage they have over women, as women cannot detect men, and they can Travel as well, which is useful in you need to be extracted from a hostile situation. If I had to choose between Alivia and an Asha'man, the man in black takes it every time. Precious little evidence either way in the "who's better" contest, but I think there is a fair case for the Asha'man over Alivia.

[Luckers]

I am going off memory alone on this, and its been a while, but the only thing I recall that marks Alivia apart from anyone else is that she is significantly stonger than Nynaeve-which means she is on par with most of the female Forsaken, maybe even on a level with Rand-and that she aparantly knows all there is to know about killing with the One Power.

 

She's not on a level with Rand--the male top strength is, according to RJ, one or two levels above the female top strength. The rest of what you said I agree with.

 

Umm, try 1000. The damane came in after the Hundred Years' War. That was a 1000 years ago.

 

Tigara, the Seanchan continent did not just appear when Luthair arrived and started leashing damane--the first damane were one and all orginally Aes Sedai, with the training and experience that their history had to offer. And it was indeed a militaristic history--in the years after the breaking the Seanchan continued to wage war on the Shadowspawn--a war that lasted nearly a thousand years, and involved the Aes Sedai as key to that defeat.  In the years after that the Seanchan fell to war--a continuos war that ravaged the entire continent--adding yet more war-experience to their nature.

 

Indeed, since you've pushed me, i'd point out that adding the 300 years of the Trolloc Wars, and the hundred and fifty of the War of a Hundred Years, then the Seanchan actually have around 3,500 years of military history.

 

 

[Tigara]

I was unaware that the channelers in Seanchan pre-Hawkwing were also called Aes Sedai. However, the a'dam was not created until post Consolidation which gives the actual damane only a approximately 1000 years experience, but they also had their pre-Consolidation experience which would have been carried over.

 

It can be looked at two ways. The damane in their own context have a 1000 years, while the women who are damane have the 3000+ years.

[Sabio]

Think any woman who can channel was basicly lumped as Aes Sedai, these had no white tower affliation.  The ones in Seachan just acted how everyone thought the Aes Sedai really were like.  Used their power for gain, lied, backstabbed, etc...

[Luckers]

I was unaware that the channelers in Seanchan pre-Hawkwing were also called Aes Sedai. However, the a'dam was not created until post Consolidation which gives the actual damane only a approximately 1000 years experience, but they also had their pre-Consolidation experience which would have been carried over.

 

It can be looked at two ways. The damane in their own context have a 1000 years, while the women who are damane have the 3000+ years.

 

Well, concider too that there was crossover. The Consolidation only ended two hundred years ago--prior to that there would have been free channelers allied with unconquered nations. The a'dam was only discovered a thousand years ago, but damane knowledge neithe begins, nor ends with them.