Verin, Siuan, and Moraine

[Rising Lion]

Okay, well, I'm completely new, I joined about five seconds ago, so hi! Yeah, new member, but I didn't want to bother with adjusting my profile or anything like that yet, because this has been bothering me for a while, and I just have to get your thoughts.

 

Well, I mean, I suppose the answer is obvious since no one has mentioned it before, but... When Verin reveals, in the Great Hunt, that she knows about Siuan and Moraine having found the Dragon Reborn, Moraine thinks something along the lines of how she likes Verin, but she will not let her ruin all her plans. And both Siuan and Moraine have embraced the Source, and Verin is rambling on and then... blank. Switch PoV. Now, I always thought something sinister had happened there, I had always thought it was strongly implied that something had happened between them, a confrontation or some something. In fact, I keep waiting for someone to mention it in all the posts concerning Verin. So, I'm guessing since no one has, no one else thought that, but I really did. I always kind of wondered, in the back of my head, if maybe Moraine or Siuan or both hadn't used some kind of Compulsion on Verin and if that might not explain some of her mysterious behavior. Nowadays, I'm thinking, probably not, since I doubt either of them knows Compulsion, but still... any ideas on what went on in that room when we weren't watching?

[MystErikEry]

Moiraine and Siuan were ready to do whatever was needed to protect their plans.  However, since Verin was completely amenable to their plans, there was no need to channel anything at her. :)

[Guest The Thin Inn Keeper]

Hmmmmm... Possibly.

 

However, I think that Verin is more powerful than we realise, if there was any manipulation going on, it'd be the Brown who was doing it.

 

You might want to type Verin Mathwin Theories into Google, but only do it if you don't mind spoilers.  :)

[trakand_01]

Verin is certainly not all she seems or ANYTHING that we think she is.

 

However, to stand by the 'rules' of the forum, there is a very in-depth (a couple actually) thread about Verin, which covers Siuan and Moiraine in depth.

 

Type in 'Verin and her 70 year project' into the search bar, or simply 'Verin Mathwin', I think that's the name of another thread.

 

Actually here you go;

 

Verin Mathwin

http://forums.dragonmount.com/index.php/topic,27078.0.html

 

Verin and her 70 year project

http://forums.dragonmount.com/index.php/topic,19296.0.html

 

Welcome, too, hope you enjoy :-)

 

 

[aevogt]

Let's not forget that, even though we don't know it at the time, Verin has an angreal from which she is never seperated so would therefore have been a match for either Suian of Moraine. 

[SwordGuard]

Ok just to fill you in if you missed it....Verin is Black ok? We only need them to say it but we already know it....Verin doesn't care about the other women's plans just to start implementing her own :P

[trakand_01]

Man you're asking for some serious arguments from some of the more 'outspoken' guys on here!! It's generally agreed that from Verin's POVs, she is very much not Black, just has her own agenda.

 

Sheriam, on the other hand... ;)

[Guest leebarr]

Verrin is black and it will be reviel in book 12

[SwordGuard]

She's Black ok? Weaving Compulsion or a form of it on the prisoner Sedai? Screams to me of a agenda and not a good one...

[trakand_01]

I think the best place for this is the other established Verin threads, otherwise we'll have 3 similar threads going and Majsju / Luckers wil be on our case  ;D

 

I listed them earlier on.

 

Sarah

[SwordGuard]

I don't care I'm an outspoken guy...

 

;D 8)

[trakand_01]

... and Majsju's the guy with the ability to lock posts...  ;)

 

:P ;D

[SwordGuard]

ok ill just copy this whole thing so far onto word doc and then paste it if this post gets deleted :P.....Terabytes...an outspoken guy's best friend!!  ;D ;D

[Bob T Dwarf]

Keep in mind that, under the Three Oaths, AS can do anything IF they truly believe it serves their duty to the Light.

 

Verin has gone through a great many mental gymnastics in order to do what she has done.  It doesn't make what she has done at all palatable - just necessary from her particular POV.

 

Until and unless we are made privy to her personal agenda in aMoL, we can't really say whether she is Black or not.

 

After all, we don't really know what Siuan and Moraine were prepared to do ( or may have done ) when Verin revealed that she knew about their "mission".

[SwordGuard]

Doesn't change the fact that she completely broke the oath of lying  :-\