Tarmon Gaidin: Moiraine's Return & The Strike on Shayol Ghul

[Luckers]

Moiraine specifically drew upon the source before tackling Lanfear, so both were in exactly the same position--channeling during a transdimensional trip through a ter'angreal that subsequently destroyed itself.

 

That alone based on everything stated within the texts should be enough, but there is more proof. For instance her bond with Lan was severed--which to date we only know to be caused by death or being severed from the True Source--and yes, we know also that transdimensional distance does not sever the bond.

 

Then we have the reality that containing a channeler of Moiraine's strength (who was armed with an angreal) is beyond the finns. Whatever their abilities, they can't fight channeling. They might be able to kill or harm one, but to keep one prisoner as they did with Moiraine is beyond their skill.

 

The ultimate reality is pretty solid. We have both Moiraine and Cyndane experiencing a (seperate) effect that we've only seen during being a person being severed. We have both being held captive by a people who are not immune to channeling despite both being strong capable channelers with their own angreal--and we have both falling through a ter'angreal that exploded. The last makes it fact, to my mind, but its all there.

[Sabio]

I can agree with most of that but I don't remember the Finn channeling.  I can't recall if they channled or not when Mat went in there..

 

Another problem I have is if you are severed from the source and die, the DO puts your soul into the body of another, shouldn't that persom still be severed?  The knowledge of giving someone the ability to channel again hasn't become widely known.

 

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They might be able to kill or harm one, but to keep one prisoner as they did with Moiraine is beyond their skill. 

 

Problem is with the door destroyed, does she know how to get out?  Once in their realm doubt it is easy to get out without their help.  My other question is why would they hold her captive?  Couldn't she do the 3 question thing like Mat did? 

[Majsju]

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I can agree with most of that but I don't remember the Finn channeling.  I can't recall if they channled or not when Mat went in there.

 

The finns can not channel. I think you must have misread what Luckers wrote.

 

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Another problem I have is if you are severed from the source and die, the DO puts your soul into the body of another, shouldn't that persom still be severed?  The knowledge of giving someone the ability to channel again hasn't become widely known.

 

We know that there was at least one BA in Salidar when Nynaeve Healed Logain, Siuan and leane, and then went on to demonstrate the weave to the entire Yellow Ajah. The shadows chances to pick up the weave were quite good.

 

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Problem is with the door destroyed, does she know how to get out?  Once in their realm doubt it is easy to get out without their help.  My other question is why would they hold her captive?  Couldn't she do the 3 question thing like Mat did? 

 

Moiraine was responsible for destroying one of two ways to enter their realm. I would say that such an act would nullify the bargain between finns and humans.

[Sabio]

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can agree with most of that but I don't remember the Finn channeling.  I can't recall if they channled or not when Mat went in there.

 

The finns can not channel. I think you must have misread what Luckers wrote.

 

Think Luckers modified his post thus making me look crazy.