Prophecies still to come to pass

[trakand_01]

I'm sure i'll just get bombarded with links, but could someone point me towards (or better still, list here) the Prophecies of the Dragon? Especially those which havent yet come to pass...?

[Majsju]

Everything except KOD:

http://www.darkfriends.net/wheel/4_prophecy/4.5_karaethon.html

[trakand_01]

[TSR: 6, Doorways, 93]

 

Power of the Shadow made human flesh,

wakened to turmoil, strife and ruin.

The Reborn One, marked and bleeding,

dances the sword in dreams and mist,

chains the Shadowsworn to his will,

from the city, lost and forsaken,

leads the spears to war once more,

breaks the spears and makes them see,

truth long hidden in the ancient dream.

 

Some of this sounds... familiar. What do you think of what i've put below?

 

'dances the sword in dreams and mist' - TAR?

 

'from the city, lost and forsaken' - obvious would be Rhuidean but what about Aridhol, the lost city? This could mean 'chains the Shadowsworn to his will' to be... something to do with Mashadar, linking into the 'dreams and mist'... that's if you consider Mashadar to be an entity capable of being shadowsworn in it's own right.

 

Perhaps this isnt talking of what he has already done at Rhuidean, but something still to BE done...?

 

[WH: 14, What a Veil Hides, 328-329]

 

Tuon speaking: "'I must find a way to make contact with the Dragon Reborn as soon as possible. He must kneel before the Crystal Throne before Tarmon Gai'don, or all is lost.' The Prophecies of the Dragon said so, clearly."

 

Surely Rand kneeling before the crystal throne could mean the literal, not the symbolic? Surely he could simply be dragged to one knee, before the crystal throne for some reason, not actually down on bended knee before it...

 

Or maybe i'm just a blithering idiot  ;)

[krelianzg]

[TSR: 6, Doorways, 93]

 

Power of the Shadow made human flesh,

wakened to turmoil, strife and ruin.

The Reborn One, marked and bleeding,

dances the sword in dreams and mist,

chains the Shadowsworn to his will,

from the city, lost and forsaken,

leads the spears to war once more,

breaks the spears and makes them see,

truth long hidden in the ancient dream.

 

Some of this sounds... familiar. What do you think of what i've put below?

 

'dances the sword in dreams and mist' - TAR?

 

'from the city, lost and forsaken' - obvious would be Rhuidean but what about Aridhol, the lost city? This could mean 'chains the Shadowsworn to his will' to be... something to do with Mashadar, linking into the 'dreams and mist'... that's if you consider Mashadar to be an entity capable of being shadowsworn in it's own right.

 

Perhaps this isnt talking of what he has already done at Rhuidean, but something still to BE done...?

 

[WH: 14, What a Veil Hides, 328-329]

 

Tuon speaking: "'I must find a way to make contact with the Dragon Reborn as soon as possible. He must kneel before the Crystal Throne before Tarmon Gai'don, or all is lost.' The Prophecies of the Dragon said so, clearly."

 

Surely Rand kneeling before the crystal throne could mean the literal, not the symbolic? Surely he could simply be dragged to one knee, before the crystal throne for some reason, not actually down on bended knee before it...

 

Or maybe i'm just a blithering idiot  ;)

 

"Chains the Shadowsworn" refers to Asmodean, I believe. Dancing the sword in dreams and mist refers to their battle in Rhuidean. The rest refers to Rand revealing the secrets of Rhuidean to the Aiel ("truth long hidden") and taking them out of the Three-Fold Land.

 

The Seanchan prophecies were corrupted (by Ishamael, I believe, but someone else will have to confirm that). The Randland prophecies are the "correct" ones.

[trakand_01]

but Rand didnt chain Asmo, Lanfear did. Does Rhuidean have something to do with dreams (dreams and mist) that i didnt pick up on?

 

To me, 'dreams and mist' would refer more to being in Aridhol, within TAR.

 

although I will more than likely be proven wrong in aMoL  ;D

 

I just cant help but think that Shadar Logoth / Aridhol has more to offer us than what has already happened. All those lost 'souls' within Mashadar... surely there's more purpose to the place than what we've seen already? Surely RJ didnt go to all the extent of describing the place in minute detail, just for Mat to take the dagger and Sammael to be mashadar'd?

[Guest durram laddel cham]

but rand did cut his bond with hte DO and forces him to teach him stuff

 

'dreams and mist' will probably be TAR as he fought Ishamael and Rahvin in TAR

 

 

by the way I got the impression there was mist when rand saw the aiel story, although I'm not sure.

[Majsju]

Dances the sword in dreams and mist refers to one or both of the bubbles of evil Rand faces in TSR, one in Tear and one in Rhuidean. Most likely Rhuidean since the prophecy mentions marked, and that's where Rand got his final marks, the dragons.

 

This prophecy has nothing whatsoever to do with Shadar Logoth.

[trakand_01]

Fair enough, it was just a thought.  :)

[cloglord]

How about these prophecies?

 

TGH Ch.28 Urien relates Aiel prophecy about the caracarn

 

"When the Trollocs come out of the Blight again, we will leave the Three-fold Land and take back our places of old."

 

TSR Ch. 25

 

"He will take you back, and he will destroy you."

 

and TSR Ch. 34

 

"He shall spill out the blood of those who call themselves Aiel as water on sand, and he shall break them as dried twigs, yet the remnant of a remnant shall he save, and they shall live."

 

 

And from Karethon prophecy in TDR Ch.6

 

"he shall slay his people with the sword of peace, and destroy them with the leaf."

 

These seem to indicate to me that the Aiel will be destroyed, man, woman and child, down to a remnant of a remnant.  So how are all the Aiel left in te waste going to die?

 

[Guest durram laddel cham]

I guess the trollocs wont attack only the wetlands, but also the waist at TG.

[Nelal Hurcran]

I guess the trollocs wont attack only the wetlands, but also the waist at TG.

 

"Blasted shadowspawn! They go right to my hips." :P  :D

[krelianzg]

And from Karethon prophecy in TDR Ch.6

 

"he shall slay his people with the sword of peace, and destroy them with the leaf."

 

These seem to indicate to me that the Aiel will be destroyed, man, woman and child, down to a remnant of a remnant.  So how are all the Aiel left in te waste going to die?

 

 

Destroying them with the leaf almost certainly refers to his revelation regarding the nature of the Tua'than to the clans after he came out of Rhuidean, which lead to the bleakness and the splintering of the Aiel.

[cloglord]

Destroying them with the leaf almost certainly refers to his revelation regarding the nature of the Tua'than to the clans after he came out of Rhuidean, which lead to the bleakness and the splintering of the Aiel.

 

I agree that either destroying them with the leaf or slaying them with the sword of peace would fit that bill, but why say the same thing twice?  This prophecy seems redundant, unless you assume that one part or the other is as of yet unfulfilled.

 

My point is more along the lines of the one that Durram tried to make, unfortunate spelling aside (;) Nelal) I wonder what the reaction of the Aiel under Rand's control will be when they discover that because they followed Rand they have doomed their entire civilian population.  I think that the death of the Amayar was just a warmup to what we can expect in AMoL.