What do YOU want to happen?

[Majsju]

I think there are many ways in which the Dragon's blood could come to be on the slopes of Dragonmount. Do we know exactly WHEN this is supposed to happen? Is it a pre-curser to TG, or does it happen DURING TG?

 

 

 

It is the Dragons blood on Shayol Ghul, not Dragonmount. Dragonmount was where he was born, SG where he will die.

 

So, it will be during TG, since it is quite unlikely he would go there anytime before he has to face the DO.

[trakand_01]

Yes indeedy it is Shayol Ghul, silly me  ;D

 

The whole prophecy says;

 

Twice dawns the day when his blood is shed.

Once for mourning, once for birth.

Red on black, the Dragon's blood stains the rock of Shayol Ghul.

In the Pit of Doom shall his blood free men from the Shadow.

 

and later

 

His blood on the rocks of Shayol Ghul, washing away the Shadow, sacrifice for man's salvation.

 

With reference to the first one, once for mourning, once for birth. Could this mean either Rand dies, and is reborn, or Rand dies and then Elayne births her babies?

 

In the Pit of Doom shall his blood free men from the Shadow. This could suggest Rand himself goes down to the Pit of Doom, or else that his blood seeps through.

 

Alternatively, this could mean his 'blood' in a different way.

 

Take the second prophecy above

 

His blood on the rocks of Shayol Ghul, washing away the Shadow, sacrifice for man's salvation.

 

that's a lot of blood. Could it mean some other sort of blood, like... blood OF the Dragon... the Aiel? I cant get the theory to form properly in my head (probably a telling sign that it's rubbish!!) but could the 'blood' refer to the Aiel, somehow being sacrificed...? Perhaps they go back to the way of the leaf, hence breaking their spears and tying in with another prophecy... Perhaps they sacrifice themselves to wash away the shadow.

 

Does any of this make sense? I'm perfectly willing to be pulled down and battered for it  ;) ;D

[Majsju]

Red on black, the Dragon's blood stains the rock of Shayol Ghul.

In the Pit of Doom shall his blood free men from the Shadow.

 

and later

 

His blood on the rocks of Shayol Ghul, washing away the Shadow, sacrifice for man's salvation.

 

All of these are pretty much saying the same thing, the dragons blood is crucial to defeating the shadow.

That ot would refer to the Aiel is extremely unlikely. Soldiers dying in a war is not a sacrifice, it's how war functions.

Same with Galad, he is a soldier, and if he dies it's because he's doing his job.

 

Once for mourning, once for birth.

 

Mourning seems most likely refering to Rands death. Birth? Elaynes babies is quite unlikely, as AMOL would have to start several months after the end of KOD for them to be born during TG. We might see them born in the epilogue, at best.

Birth of a new world, a world without the shadow? Perhaps.

[Guest durram laddel cham]

okay crazy idea here, but 'sacrifice for man's salvation' mean that galad sacrifes himself at SG for rand(man's salvation)

[Great Lord of the Dark]

I want Galad to die. He's a stupid whitecloak @#$%#$@

[World_of_Wheel_of_Time]

GLD I thought you said you were going on vacation...

 

Anyways, very unlikely that Galad will die, he is actually somewhat of an important character. He now leads the Whitecloaks, and is going to ally them with the Aes Sedai. Hopefully he'll tell Gawyn that Rand didn't kill Morgase...

[Great Lord of the Dark]

Maybe I lied....ohhhhhhh......can't touch this!! 8) 8) 8)

i may be gone, but i'm not dead....

[Great Lord of the Dark]

i want egenwene to die.

[mike2R]

Reading throuh this thread I've come accross the idea that the OP might be eliminated at the end of the Age. I'm new here and this had never occured to me before.  Two things to say about it.

 

1) I really hope this doesn't happen.  I feel I've too much invested in the channeling characters, and the recent advances in channeling itself - the recent rediscoveries, being able to heal severing etc. to want this.

 

2) There is the fortelling from that irritating Novice whatever her name is. "..the great battle done..the guardians balance the servents.."

 

To me this implies at least that the OP won't vanish immediately after the Last Battle. Now if we assume that the last battle marks the change of the Age then this seems to knock the theory on the head.

 

Now that's obviously a bit of an assumption - maybe the OP decays gradually, or maybe there is another event after the Last Battle which will signify the end of the age. But adding this to how much time RJ invested in the whole channeling thing (and the fact I don't want it to happen :P) ) gives me hope that the OP will still be around in the 4th Age.

[Majsju]

Most people who have been thinking about OP disappearing, including me, sees that happening during the 4th Age. Perhaps even being what ends that Age.

[mike2R]

ok I can see that - if our present age is meant to be part of the wheel then it has to happen at some point. I just feel it would be really unfair on our characters if they went through all this and ended up living in a giant worldwide stedding...

[Cabriana]

When the harem bonded Rand, they told him that he has veins of gold. Could this be an indication of something special about him blood? Something that when his blood spills in SG, it will be man's salvation?

[aevogt]

The "Veins of Gold" were what Aviendha saw in the bond as Rand's love for her.

[BrainFireBob]

*cough*

 

Graendal saying "I did it, cracka- I killed Asmo"

 

And the rush of sound of thousands of crazy ideas dying.

 

*cough*

[aevogt]

I don't think Graendal did it.

 

RJ was once quoted as saying "all the clues are there" or something to that effect, to find the killer.

 

I've read this series abgout a dozen times and nothing points to her.

 

Since Asmodean recognized his killer, and he was only around for two books, it shouldn't be too hard.  heh heh heh.

 

I'm going to reread just TSR and THoH this weekend to see if I can pick up something new.

[BrainFireBob]

Graendal works by elimination- hence "all the clues."

 

No one else *could have* done it- or rather, the few that could admit later they didn't in their minds, meanwhile we find out Graendal raided Sammael's lair after he died.

 

Graendal's the best suspect (only one assumption required- that she would be there, and that's not even groundless). But form your own opinion- that's what reading is for.

[Majsju]

*cough*

 

Who killed Asmodean

[Guest Dreadlord]

I want Perrin dead. And i want Shaidar Haran to kill him! Obviously it wont happen, but I would like it.

 

I want to see Rand crush the Seals of the Dark Ones prison under his feet. Didnt someone have a vision of that? I dont know if it would happen, but the image of that scene in my head, of rand stood on the black slopes of Shayol Ghul with his followers, crushing the seals and waiting for the Dark One to confront him... would make for a good scene in a film, that.

 

Also, Rands link with Moridin could become a really good thing in the next book...they should be able to talk through it. Rand needs to learn who Moridin is, and he needs to figure out the nature of the link ie "if either moved a hairswidth, they would touch."

 

Most of all though i must say Im waiting for Moiraines return and Mats quest to the tower of ghenjie. Oooh cant wait!!!

[Great Lord of the Dark]

i want the Aes sadai to quit thinking the're the best and all that crap. They think they're so high and mighty and I really want Elaida killed by Rand

[Great Lord of the Dark]

So i assume this topic is dead?????  :'( :'( :'(

I want people to finally understand me and my feelings!!!!

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I feel that I'll hate the series if for some reason Elaida miraculously saves the WT and Egewene is killed.

 

[Jelly]

It's not dead!

*Hugs*

[Guest durram laddel cham]

I hope egwene will wine for a very long time, driving elaida crazy and killing herself. wouldn't that be spectacular  :D

[aevogt]

"A remnant, cast out and Scorned"

 

That's all the future has in store for Elaida.

[Great Lord of the Dark]

If Egewene does become Amyralin or whatever, how on "Randland" will she fix the WT? It seems too broken to fix

[Majsju]

If Egewene does become Amyralin or whatever, how on "Randland" will she fix the WT? It seems too broken to fix

 

Her actions in KOD is quite a start. Undermining Elaida, and planting quite a few seeds of doubt among the sisters remaining in the WT.

And then, her actions during the seanchan attack on the WT might have something to do with it...