Pirates of Fiddland - GAME OVER - Page 32

[Tigara]

OK, so I went over the last few pages before the lynch. I have come to something vaguely resembling a conclusion.

 

With the Barm and Vemmy thing, I'm not buying it. If they both claim to be finders and claim the other one is evil. It's too fishy for me to try to figure it out because there is probably a dozen different plots behind it and I'm not about to get tangled in it.

 

As for my vote, I vote for [glow=red,2,300]ilgross[/glow]

 

Why? Simple. Loreina was pushing on ilgross for the longest time before she changed her vote. Look what that got her. I think ilgross was feeling threatened and had the ninjas get Loriena off his back. So, I'm putting him on the guilty list.

[bcxanth]

Ok, I started a post in which I was going to say much of what Tigara said, in regards to the Loreina killing.  Then I actually got a customer call in and had some work to do. :P  Now I see soemone else has covered it.  I'm still not sure if that's actually a good reason though, so I'm going to hold off on voting for now just because I'd like to here what Ilgross has to say, as well as anyone else.  I'm trying to learn a bit from my mistakes of the last day and not jump into anything too quickly.  Before I was just excited to have the game started and wanted to show I was ready to play, but now I think I need to not vote so fast.

 

Is it still too late to vote for the Captain? ;)

[Toy and Minion]

Haha, very funny, but remember the penalty for voting the Captain?  ;)

[bcxanth]

I never said I'd vote for you, just asked if it was too late. :D

[Toy and Minion]

No harm done in a friendly reminder, eh?

[Barmacral]

Please note, some of this information is outdated, as this was typed up before DM came back online, and being rather tired, I'm too lazy to edit it.

 

Now, you are probably wondering why I didn’t reveal yesterday when Vem first claimed. Here’s why:

 

1. It was day 1, too early in the game for claims, as it would be nothing but luck of the draw as to whether you got the finder or the other guy.

2. I have claimed doc while innocent before, Vem was (and still is) modding that game, who’s to say that he wasn’t false claiming just to throw off the evils that night? That’s exactly why I did it. Vem is a quick learner.

3. Because of that reason, I wanted to be sure of his guilt before I revealed, because if we were both innocent, both of us would potentially be dead by night 2. Especially if we had the bad luck of taking out the finder during day 1.

4. By not claiming that first night, I was making myself a lower profile target for the evils, and therefore not as likely to be lynched, as the evils would probably be gunning for Vem.

 

So there you have it, my reasons for not revealing earlier.

 

Now I warn you, Vem will either do 1 of 2 things now.

 

1. He will come forward and claim that he findered me in the night, and that I’m evil. He lies, remember that.

2. He will come forward and claim that he investigated somebody at random in the night, and that they are innocent. Personally, I suspect that that person will in fact be innocent, as if he choses somebody who actually is innocent, once he his lynched and found guilty, that person will be suspected for the rest of the game, or at least until I waste a night findering them just to prove that he’s right. At which point that person will likely die.

 

That said:

 

[glow=red,2,300]Vote: Vemynal

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[Dark Justice]

hm.. Im gonna sit back and watch theese guys argue a bit more before making a desition.

[Vemynal]

Now, you are probably wondering why I didn’t reveal yesterday when Vem first claimed. Here’s why:

1. It was day 1, too early in the game for claims, as it would be nothing but luck of the draw as to whether you got the finder or the other guy.

 

I agree, this would have been the best thing to do for the finder, sadly i was almost lynched so I had to reveal.

 

2. I have claimed doc while innocent before, Vem was (and still is) modding that game, who’s to say that he wasn’t false claiming just to throw off the evils that night? That’s exactly why I did it. Vem is a quick learner.

 

3. Because of that reason, I wanted to be sure of his guilt before I revealed, because if we were both innocent, both of us would potentially be dead by night 2. Especially if we had the bad luck of taking out the finder during day 1.

 

Barm...why would you think I'm double claiming to protect the finder/healer? *the finder/healer if not me hadn't revealed*

 

you specifically mention the situation in my Aiel game, well here it is folks! Damane claimed healer (btw this is not a confirmation or retraction of her being or not being the healer) in my aiel game. To try and help keep her alive he counter claimed to help her not be night killed. a bad idea because: 1) if she had to reveal then the only possible counterclaim could have been from a murderer if no innocent players counter claimed. 2) she didn't need night protection because she could healer herself.

 

now you link that situation to me incorrectly? I was the one who revealed, like damane, because we were almost lynched. *UNLIKE* in my aiel game where you counter claimed to protect the healer in this game you said nothing at first and now that its day 2 claim to be the reveal finder and that I'm evil. So you incorrectly link me to a past event try to sway the people playing into thinking I'm evil.

 

4. By not claiming that first night, I was making myself a lower profile target for the evils, and therefore not as likely to be lynched, as the evils would probably be gunning for Vem.

 

Like talya said, it isn't uncommon for evils to hit silent players in the hope of getting a rolled player or kill someone without giving much information. You weren't keeping a lower profile, thats just an excuse to gloss over the fact that you didn't claim finder till after I claimed your evil!

 

Now I warn you, Vem will either do 1 of 2 things now.

He will come forward and claim that he findered me in the night, and that I’m evil. He lies, remember that.

 

hmmm, I pick that one :P. oh wait...its because tis the truth :P

 

and you've already voted me barm, so cut with the dramatics...

[Vemynal]

hmm nvm, while writing up the vote count turns out he hadn't voted me before, which if he knew i was evil would be a silly thing to do.

 

vote count:

Barm(2): Vemynal, Talya

Vemynal(1): Barm

Ilgross(1): Tig

 

7 to lynch

[Barmacral]

Barm...why would you think I'm double claiming to protect the finder/healer? *the finder/healer if not me hadn't revealed*

 

you specifically mention the situation in my Aiel game, well here it is folks! Damane claimed healer (btw this is not a confirmation or retraction of her being or not being the healer) in my aiel game. To try and help keep her alive he counter claimed to help her not be night killed. a bad idea because: 1) if she had to reveal then the only possible counterclaim could have been from a murderer if no innocent players counter claimed. 2) she didn't need night protection because she could healer herself.

 

now you link that situation to me incorrectly? I was the one who revealed, like damane, because we were almost lynched. *UNLIKE* in my aiel game where you counter claimed to protect the healer in this game you said nothing at first and now that its day 2 claim to be the reveal finder and that I'm evil. So you incorrectly link me to a past event try to sway the people playing into thinking I'm evil.

 

I didn't incorrectly link you to the event. I stated that you are a smart person who learns fast, so who's to say that you didn't learn from the action and twisted it to your own uses? Especially if you are going to false claim with the intent to save your life anyways.

[Vemynal]

excuse me but who is false claiming to save their own life?

 

and isn't it kinda funny that I magically chose to say that barm is evil and he claims he's the finder? Gee, what are the odds /sarcasm off

 

and whats all this "smart person who learns fast" bull?

 

Talya, your playing, go ahead and tell everyone, once and for all, that my amazing finder false claim in WWW was *your and thorum's idea*

 

and I believe it was you yourself barm who once said "it was nothing special, you just spent some much work on it that they assumed no one not innocent would do that"

 

So where does this "smart and fast learner" bit come from?

 

Seanchan game- I get our finder lynched day 1. I'm a good guy in this game :P

WWW- I'm evil, my masterful persuasion is mostly bull crude just stacked on itself into a big post.

Vamp- I get lucky and spot the 3 evils. imo they were kinda obvious anyways. And let me add that i thought there was just 2 evils in that game, and it was leelou/safir or sboyd/min. and I couldn't decide which. When it was really sboyd/leelou/safir. oh! and don't forget how i forced the healer to reveal day 1. and if it isn't obvious by this point, yes in this game I was good.

Suras- I don't post much for the first half and then for the later half everyone thinks I'm evil. i manage to survive for god knows what reason kivam didn't pursue me. And let me quote this again: *barm was evil this game, I had no idea! made me want to view him since i knew how much better he was at this then me*

Werewolve- I plan to get myself killed to make the other evils look innocent. that horribly backfired =/

Nuthouse- I'm killed off night 1 when my healing abilities are roll blocked. As the healer I was forced to reveal day 1 when i was almost lynched.

 

where is the genius? I see a near blundered evil game, a blundered evil game. a game where I'm rolled and killed off the bat. 2 games where i'm innocent and I live through the game because i can't be bohered with my the evils *or* they think that can use me as a lynch.

[Guest nephitess]

OK....you guys are both good at this game. Let stop shoving other games in here.

 

now...this may or may be not a mistake...i'll vote [glow=red,2,300]Vemy[/glow].

 

My reasons are because i do not believe that a finder would thinkit smart to claim on day one. I am also thinking Barm is in on this whole sceame. IMO...Vemy and Barm are causeing a rukus to swing us away from their other associates. I beleive that there are one or two others who will be keeping a low profile.

[Vemynal]

nephy, this is a new player game, theres only gonna be 3 evils for the 12 players...

 

and as to your reason, it doesn't apply. of course its a bad idea to claim on day 1.

 

But its an even worse idea for me to let myself be lynched :P

 

vote count:

Barm(2): Vemynal, Talya

Vemynal(2): Barm, Nephy

Ilgross(1): Tig

non-voters: Gryph, YSH, ilgross, bcxanth, Dark

 

7 to lynch

 

I know i just did one of these but i'm OCD about having the nonvoters in there :P

 

 

[Talya]

What I suggest we do is ignore these tow, let them fight it out, but don't trust either of them. Wile we have two claims for finder we have no idea who to believe.

 

So why don't we go after someone else for this lynch and I suggest the healer save themselves or someone else tonight, and leave these two to the evils. Yes we would lose our finder but we could just as easy do that now. This way we have a chance to get another evil lynched, and tomorrow if the finder is killed we lynch the other out of the two, but at this moment we must play as if we don't have a finder.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Unvote[/glow]

[Vemynal]

bah, I'm sorry but I can't feel happy not killing an evil when we find them, all your having us do talya is stall.

 

atm we have 10 people. the evils will win if we reach 6 in # if 1 of them doesn't die.

 

so we have today and tomorrow before they win if their night kills are both successful.

 

If you lynch me today and lynch barm tomorrow you still kill an evil and will have a third day from now to kill a second evil, though it'll be a lot better if we lynched barm now so you don't have to worry about getting an evil first try off the bat when me and him are dead.

 

i.e.

day 2:10 total. me, night kill

day 3:8 total. barm, night kill (evils now need 4 left to win)

day 4:6 total. lynch, night kill

day 5:4 <-----they win

 

meaning day 4 would be your last day, and you'd have to get an evil off the bat.

 

if you lynch barm today then at least its:

day 2:10 total. barm, night kill

day 3:8 total. lynch, night kill

day 4:6 total. lynch, night kill

day 5:4 <-----they win

 

so day 4 would still be your last chance to nab a second evil but that way you have two tries.

 

 

and another problem talya with what your proposing is that the evils may decide *not* to kill one of us off to keep the group in confusion. That way if I'm not dead tomorrow and neither is barm who do you lynch? if its one of us then its a 50/50 shot of losing the game. If its someone else then its even worse odds.

 

 

So even if its me, lynch one of us. While i won't die happy I can at least die knowing I grabbed 1 evil for you and that he'll go down with me.

[YellowSisterHanacho]

*Sighs* okay so I have not been able to use the internet in like forever and I am so behind.

 

Okay, um. . . If I understand this right, Barm and Vem are arguing and the rest of us are trying to decide who to lynch next right? . . .

 

I think I am going with [glow=red,2,300]Barm[/glow]. Though both make good points in their arguments, and my last hunch was wrong. I have to go with this one. I am sure that this ruckus is to divert attention away from the evils and I have to agree with Talya. Let us play as though the finder is already gone.

[Dark Justice]

I agree with talia on this one. we could try to find another candidate, and let the baddies kill of the real finder. Cause it gives us one lynch, really. If we lynch the real finder, we have wasted a lynch. Thats how I see it anyway.

[Toy and Minion]

Vote Count:

 

Barmacral (2): Vemynal, YellowSister

Vemynal (2): Barmacral, Nephy

 

Ilgross (1): Tigara

 

With 10 alive it takes 7 to lynch

[Vemynal]

Vem as finder? I suppose its possible.

 

Why? Cause he revealed on the first day. If this was day 3 or something I'd never believe him :P

 

Anyways, I'm just checking in for a moment... Hell Week should end tomorrow hopefully, so that means I hope to be back for Sunday. Then I'll give Talya better reasoning... such as the fact that if she kills me, she loses my soul, as I have to be alive it to exist.

 

So barm, why support my claim yesterday if you were the real finder hmm? You were laying low alright, trying to keep from me viewing you is why.

 

Dark, i've already said the flaw with Talya's idea

 

If me or barm don't die tonight then what happens tomorrow? You'd have to make either an entirely uneducated guess at someone else, or accept the 50/50 odds of killing an evil or losing the game.

 

+ if you lynch someone at random now your looking at a larger group *WITH* less information atm.

 

Kill me or barm, and then if you killed me kill barm tomorrow. That way on your last day you'll know which of us to have trusted, which of us was evil and with the 4 fewer people you'll have a much better odds of killing an evil (2 in 8 atm if you ignore me & barm. 2 in 6 if you do your lynch on the last day as I'm saying. your odds raise from 1 in 4 chance to a 1 in 3 chance).

 

The worst case scenario here isn't killing me, its wasting your extra lynch here.

 

day 2:10 total. random person lynch, night kill

day 3:8 total. barm, night kill (evils now need 4 left to win)

day 4:6 total. lynch, night kill

day 5:4 <-----they win

 

so in that thing its you lynch someone else today and lynch barm tomorrow.

 

day 2:10 total. random person lynch, night kill

day 3:8 total. vemynal, night kill (evils now need 4 left to win)

day 4:6 total. <-------they win

 

in this you lynch a random person today and lynch me tomorrow. We lose.

 

 

Kill either me or barm today, that way we at least take out 1 known evil and get you guys information that much faster before we have to do a regular lynch where we look through posts and information.

 

[Guest nephitess]

I think we Should Lynch vemy today...if he is innocent then defiantly Lynch Barm. If he is guilty then Lynch barm as well...Why you ask...

 

I beleive that either Vemy is telling the truth and Barm is Evil...if Vemy turn out to be the finder then lynch Barm.

 

If Vemy is guilty the i think there is a plan here that they are setting each other up to cover the other.

 

My vote stays.

[Talya]

Vemy, you numbers only work if we don't get an evil in the mean time, personally it wouldn't surprise me if you were both evil, and this is a set up, how can the real finder, come forward now, who would believe them. I just don't think we should believe either of you. I believe that Yellow Sister is evil, everyone of her posts has seemed primed from the first. However I have nothing else except gut feeling on that.

 

Yes I admit I didn't look at the figures, I don't have the time to try and work them out, so you could be right on those. However I think DJ was saying that he believed my part about going a head as though we haven't got a finder. Even if Barmy is an evil, I don't know if I could trust you.

 

And out of the two of you I think him to be more likely to be evil...I'll hold off on my vote, as not everyone is back posting on here at least.

[bcxanth]

At this point I have to say that I'm still really unsure of what to do here.  It seems to me like we've arrived pretty quickly at a point that will either make or break us for the rest of the game.  I was hoping I'd get more time to get used to everything before now. :P

 

At this point though, I think I want to hold off and see if anyone else has some good points to make.  Because so far, with a couple of exceptions, the risk seems to be fairly even.  Though I agree with Vemy that we're at a point where going with a third suspect might not be an option. Though I still want to make sure we don't forget about poor Loreina.

[Tigara]

The way this is going, I'm pretty convinced that neither of them are the finder and are just trying to get the other out. Whether they are evil or not, tis debatable, but my vote stays, as well.

[Barmacral]

excuse me but who is false claiming to save their own life?

 

Quite plainly, that was you… yesterday.

 

and isn't it kinda funny that I magically chose to say that barm is evil and he claims he's the finder? Gee, what are the odds /sarcasm off

 

I was planning on claiming finder since Toy sent me the PM with the results saying that you are evil. You had to continue your charade as finder and reveal somebody, or else it wouldn’t look very convincing, and would see you dead quickly after that. Obviously, you’ve decided to just eliminate innocents quickly, before the real finder revealed, and have gone after me, an experienced player whom you think might be threatening to you.

 

and whats all this "smart person who learns fast" bull?

 

Vem is a quick learner

 

Quoted from my previous post… I couldn’t think of the original wording offhand, and didn’t want to waste the effort to find it, so I reworded the statement. You seem to be extremely upset over a compliment here.

 

and I believe it was you yourself barm who once said "it was nothing special, you just spent some much work on it that they assumed no one not innocent would do that"

 

Did I? I don’t recall saying anything such. Seems rather out of character for an egotistical fool such as myself too.

 

And for the rest of that, you meta game to prove yourself stupid? Seems like you haven’t got much to go on here.

 

So barm, why support my claim yesterday if you were the real finder hmm? You were laying low alright, trying to keep from me viewing you is why.

 

This is explained quite well in my previous post, when I explained my reasoning for revealing.

 

[Dark Justice]

Ok. Im convinced. [glow=red,2,300]Barm[/glow].

 

If he is the finder, you are toast Vem.