Forkroot

[dmanmiller34]

So While i was re reading TFoH I came acroos the part where elayne and Nyaneave get doused with the forkroot. Now i thought that forkroot only effected people who could channel but when they get rescued and leave they douse the shop keeper and her helper with the stuff and they get drugged as well. So can they channel? Or can they maybe be toguht to channel? Your thoughts on this.

[Charlz Guybon]

So While i was re reading TFoH I came acroos the part where elayne and Nyaneave get doused with the forkroot. Now i thought that forkroot only effected people who could channel but when they get rescued and leave they douse the shop keeper and her helper with the stuff and they get drugged as well. So can they channel? Or can they maybe be toguht to channel? Your thoughts on this.

They might be able to channel, however if I remember correctly, if you give a normal person a very high dose it has the same effects.

[Guest cwestervelt]

Charlz, your braver than me.  I thought about saying that but wasn't about to stick my foot out without being able to check the books.

[Charlz Guybon]

Charlz, your braver than me. 

I'm a Captain of the Queen's Quards, it comes with the job.  ;)

[bcxanth]

Yeah, I'm going to have to check the books on this one too.  Seems to me like they made a big deal of the fact that the forkroot would only affect the wise ones that could channel. But then, they were only going for the deadening of the channeling abilities, not to put everyone asleep.  It's tough for me to say for sure right now when I'm stuck at work.

[Seriodor]

Forkroot can knock anyone out, it just takes over 5 times the amount given to someone who can channel.

[dmanmiller34]

I have been thinking about it and I think that possibly they could channel. I mean what happens to novices that are put out of the tower? Who better to become eyes and ears FOR the tower. That way  they are still connected to the tower in a fashion. So maybe they could channel and we just very weak in the power Like Morgase.

[Seriodor]

I really, seriously doubt that they can channel.

[nashdude]

Pardon my ignorance, but I always took the OP-dampening attributes of forkroot to be linked to it's ability to put the drinker to sleep.

 

Think of it in terms of narcotics. When someone takes a narcotic, they get drifty. Their ability to form complex thoughts is dampened, muffled. If forkroot is some type of drug, like opium or something, then it would have the same effects on anyone who drinks, regardless of their ability to channel the OP. But while it will put anyone to sleep, the ADDED and most DESIRABLE effect of the root is to stop channelers from channeling. You might go so far as to say that channelers have a particular weakness to forkroot---possibly even an "allergy"---but I don't think the effects of forkroot are geared entirely toward channelers.

 

See, it takes a fair amount of concentration for a channeler to touch the OP. For saidin, it takes "assuming the void". For saidar, it takes "complete surrender". But in either case, there's a mental state involved. Forkroot, I believe, interferes with that mental state.

 

Again, if I'm wrong, forgive my ignorance  ;D

[Seriodor]

It says in KoF, that yes Forkroot effects regular people, but it effects channelers expecially.

[Luckers]

Actually, what it says in KoD is that a normal person can drink five times the amount of Forkroot and only feel dizzy (or was it queezy)?

 

I do agree that this does imply the fact that in sufficient amounts Forkroot works on anyone, but it doesn't state it.

[Seriodor]

Theres that, and when Perrin is pouring forkroot into the Shaido's water, it says he hoped that it would be strong enough to slow down the warriors too, which implied that he had picked up somewhere that it affected regular people.

[Mashiara O Aan.a--ein]

Hmmm...the damage Forkroot could do. Wow, all the Black Ajah has to do is put lots of forkroot in the White Tower's water source just before TG.  ;D

[bcxanth]

Hmmm...the damage Forkroot could do. Wow, all the Black Ajah has to do is put lots of forkroot in the White Tower's water source just before TG.  ;D

I've actually thought about that, but I don't think the BA really has as much access to the Forkroot as they'd need.  However, I've been wondering if the Seanchan might do something like that when they attack the Tower.

[Luckers]

Additionally, Aes Sedai don't all drink water all the time, or even at the same time. It worked on the Wise Ones, but i dont think it would really have much of an effect on the Aes Sedai.

 

And yeah, They likely don't have a large enough supply of Forkroot.

[drovja]

However, I've been wondering if the Seanchan might do something like that when they attack the Tower.

 

I don't think the Seanchan have enough to do anything either.  Perrin took pretty much all they had cropped to use against the Shaido.

[Seriodor]

He only took what they had at that outpost, they have many farms growing Forkroot, plus ship fulls of it. They definelty have enough.

[dmanmiller34]

He only took what they had at that outpost, they have many farms growing Forkroot, plus ship fulls of it. They definelty have enough.

 

I don't remeber reading anything like this ever. Where is this stated?

[dmanmiller34]

So will fork root effect Sul damane? They have not accually channeled. The can just learn to do so. DO you think that they have to have accually channeled to be effecred by it?

[Seriodor]

i finished rereading the eleventh book yesterday and i kinda remember sometihng like that being said, but as i cant site it, just think of it as an opinion.

[Tithen]

I really don't think they could channel...

Nynaeve and Elayne would have sensed their ability and been a lot more careful!

And i agree. The seanchan probably don't have enough foorkroot left for the white tower. I'm also guessing it would be a lot harder to access the aes sedai water supply, because they probably have more than one source...

[Seriodor]

Also theres probably alot of them that would be drinking only wine, or punch at the time and be alerted to what was happening.

[dmanmiller34]

Thats true. Most people all through out the series pretty much only drink wine. Especally prominet people like royalty and Aes Sedai.