FIDDLETON-UNDER-LYME ~ Werewolf mafia game

[damane]

sneaky werewolf stuff would be better than what i got to do. i just think DSage is to obvious a choice..so it just can't be

[Toy and Minion]

Okay.  Now things are making a little more sense to me.  You see, I didn't read every single post for those 5 or 6 pages.  I scanned through.  I noticed Dark vote for me and his reasons, then I responded.  I didn't go further.  I had no idea you, Vem were looking at me like Dark as well.  Not until later.

 

Yeah, but whatever.  Thanks for giving your reasons for voting me anyways.  After I'm dead, I'll laugh at you all from my grave.  Just one more game I don't survive the first Day/Night round.  ::)

 

This is why I stepped away from these games.  I don't know what it is about me that everyone finds suspicious.  I think their all jelous of my natural charm towards most women.  *shrugs*

 

*** NONE OF MY SPAM POSTS, ARE SUPPOSED TO BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY, BUT WHATEVER. ***

 

[glow=red,2,300]Vemynal[/glow] has beed ridding up my tail and I don't like that at all!

[Vemynal]

was wondering how long till you tried to kill me Dsage, but can i question you motivations just for a moment?

 

Your trying to lynch me, based on the fact that I'm voting for you. Not that I'm evil?

 

"ridding up my tail and I don't like that at all!" is what you just said

 

now, why would an innocent want someone dead just for voting them? greed to stay in the game sure. But a murderer would definantly try and get the person voting for them killed.

 

Nothing i've seen gives me a reason to take my vote off you Dsage, and i won't be fooled like I was in the Vampire game

 

I won't unvote you just because i don't have enough people backing me like in the Vampire game

 

Even if you try and explain away everything my instinct is still screaming that your evil, and I see no reason to unvote

[Toy and Minion]

Okay.  I'm dead, so I don't really care.

 

I'm done explaining.  Read into it what you will.

[Xefan]

D, you're freaking me out here.  It seems to me that you're trying to get sympathy.

 

Everything about you feels wrong to me.

 

[glow=red,2,300]DSage[/glow]

[Naeann]

Gah... I dunno... I hate voting for someone that keeps getting lynched the first day but you are one of the more suspicious players Dsage.... I'm gonna read thru the thread again after work and then try to make a decision. 

[cloudcrono]

Ok I've done a case file on Vemmy and so far I've noticed quite a few strange things. 

Comments of mine are in parenthesis() Everything else is stated somewhere in the text of players.

Total Posts: 39(I may be off one or two but this is QUITE NORMAL for Vemmy)

Current Vote: DSage

 

(Ok let me tell you my observations about him)

ok, these are the new players and this goes out to everyone:

 

plz let our new players live past day 1 and night 1 at least since its their first game

 

 

which btw, in every game to date so far there has been an evil experienced player which means (for myself) either the dude or Raena is likely evil and for

 

the rest of you 1 of us 3 is likely evil (which for you mr. finder that means maybe view one of us 3?)

 

and yes, I know me calling this out makes me look evil, tough cookie for me then, best to go with *something* other then an *entirely* random vote.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Raena[/glow]

Beginning of the game Vemmy starts with his one of the experienced players is evil. (I agree statistically it makes sense)

 

His next post gets rid of vote stating that we should wait.(normal behaivor from him)

 

Stresses that we wait in order to get an assassin explanation.(kinda of strange in the sense now he is asking people to wait again for 2 different reasons but not too strange)

 

So far he has voiced suspicions on 2 other people thedude and raena or the experienced crowd to him.

 

While waiting for an explanation states that he wants a coroner's report and DSage ALSO states this at the time but he voices no opinion on DSages post.(I understand he explained that he trying to lay low to get more info on DSage but I'll get to that)

 

Finishes his wait for everyone to post and after a reread votes thedude (Not strange considering his reasoning at beginning) the vote post goes as follows.

well i've done my reread, and i have a few ideas of people and [glow=red,2,300]made a connection between 2 I think[/glow]^^

 

but for now I'm going to vote the dude

 

call it a welcoming present^^

(highlighted text is note worthy)

 

Next he removes his vote on thedude in the following post.

oh! and btw guys, I'm leaving for work in like 20 minutes and i won't be back for like 4 hours

 

try not to miss me to much when I'm gone^^

 

oh and I'm going to unvote the dude for now

 

there are certain reasons other then that they both haven't acted suspicious that are different then the games in the past, so for once the roles may have

 

actually been chosen at random! /gasps

 

[glow=red,2,300]in any event I mentioned there was someone earlier i had my eye on[/glow] but I'd like to wait a bit longer before voting for them

 

and Amethea, my instinct is telling me none of us evils are evil atm and if I had stuck with my gut in the vampire game we would have won, and if sboyd and

 

the rest had gone with their guts in wild wild west they would have won

 

said it last game, I'll say it again, your "gut feeling" is usually your subconscious mind having made connections that your unconscious mind hasn't

 

go with your gut

(note highlighted text:  up to this point the only person he has mentioned specifically are Raena and thedude.  Considering he removed his vote on thedude recently this would lead me to believe Reana had a vote coming.  Earlier he mentioned a PAIR but nothing to do with a single person.)

 

Next DJ posts his suspicion for DSage and Vemmy posts the following.

Christ Dark O.o

 

well, I was trying not to put a vote on him to keep him from going into hiding but then i guess we shall just have to wait and see

 

I'll refrain from voting atm since it would be over kill and we are going to get a response now anyways

(This is REALLY SUSPICIOUS to me.  You had voiced no suspicions earlier for him and now you are voting for DSage.  You have stated not only a pair but that you had MENTIONED the person earlier.  I was expecting Raena.  Really wierd.)

 

He asks DSage to explain himself and DSage is confused as to by what he means(As was I.  I like others was looking forward to the review because I was expecting a revelation from Vemmy about what DSage did that was so evil.)

 

Next Vemmy posted his review.

Dsage- Entrance post and agrees with damane's joke. and I quote:

Quote from: DSage on August 13, 2007, 12:49:04 AM

We want, we want a coroners report!

*stomp stomp*

We want, we want a coroners report!

*stomp stopm*

 

Sorry but that was flat out weird for me, it could have just been fun and games, but it was just so..blatant. It really I think is what made me stick on you

 

Dsage. 2 spam posts. Says he thought the assassin role would be like that, then says thx for it being a coroners game, which kinda builds on my suspicions a

 

bit, but not much. After Dark votes for him he just kinda brushes off the vote with a "who cares" comment while both me and him are slightly suspicious. I

 

put my vote on him and tell him to actually explain himself. Dsage *still* refuses to explain himself. I then ask him if maybe he doesn't know what were are

 

suspicious of and he still only responds with his own questions, which i'll now answer:

(First off thinking it was suspicious for DSage to sing a song about the coroner's report was a little strange I can understand if you don't know him. 

I don't understand what was suspicious about his response with a thank you.  He included a smiley face at the end but nothing was off to me.  What was so strange?  I know you said it was the way he answered but what exactly?

When DJ voted for DSage, DJ doesn't ask for an explanation and DSage doesn't give one.  Nowhere does DSage refuse to answer you.  Actually he does tell you he doesn't understand what he said wrong.  THIS is really strange from Vemmy because he refuses to clarify to DSage in a quick response and waits until the review.  Vemmy in my opinion doesn't play like that.  He cuts straight to the point with his questions and doesn't try to make someone look evil)

 

"Quote from: DSage on August 13, 2007, 11:53:00 PM

1)Dark Justice says "Reread & Reread.  Comes up with the same..."

At first I took this to mean that he has been rereading the entire topic and still finds me most suspicious.  I no longer know what he meant by this."

 

while I can't speak for Dark, I think you've hit the nail on the head. He's rereading the thread and finding you suspicious. now my question, what does this

 

question actually prove? your trying to make it seem like your confused about something that pretty blatant, and that seems pretty suspicious to me.

 

Quote from: DSage on August 13, 2007, 11:53:00 PM

"2)Vemy says he didn't want to vote me and make me go into hiding. (to my understandment)

This doesn't make sense to me at all."

So let me clarify, I didn't want to vote you because I thought if I did you'd stop posting, I was afraid we wouldn't get any more evidence on you. after Dark

 

voted you i came out and said that I agreed with him and your the one i was curious about to add some weight to his vote without actually voting to prevent a

 

band wagon (which btw, to everyone reading this. I must say your the best group at not bandwagoning i've seen yet! usually even in experienced player games

 

once someone gets 2 or 3 votes they get like 3 or 4 bandwagon votes. i haven't seen any of that! good job^^). When you refused to answer afterwards I added

 

my vote because i felt that even if bandwagoned, you were my best candidate for evil. hopefully that answers your questions, care to finally explain why

 

you've been so lacking in answers to our own? because at this poit I don't see me taking my vote off you for less then a confession (and if we get one it

 

would still likely just be the symp and then we would definantly know your evil and the assassin could kill you tonight^^)

 

afterwards he just makes a ton of posts saying that he can't wait till my review

 

and I can't wait till you answer my questions Dsage^^

 

in sum: I think he's the murderer, i don't see nothing taking my vote off him.

(To question 1: It's strange that you are questioning his motif when you make him feel like he has to explain something and that all he had to go on was DJ.  It seems to me that you are stretching to frame DSage.

To question 2: Semi strange that you waited to vote to prevent a bandwagon if you already had suspicions.  Yet again it seems to me like you are stretching to prove his evilness.)

 

Next

the way he posted it was what originally made me suspicious

 

you'll notice if you look back o around then I had made my own post asking for talya to have it be a coroner

 

but a lot less with the dramatics =/

(I don't understand how more dramatic spam makes him look more suspicious.  I mean if you don't know him too well you wouldn't realize that he is a singer but how does that equate to suspicious.  You are very clear with your reasoning usually so this is very strange from you Vemmy.)

 

(The next post is by far the strangest for me)

Dsage, when 2 people say they have something on you, its generally a good idea to listen in and explain yourself.

( I agree but you didn't make it clear as to what you had on him until much later, very strange from you.)

The reason I didn't cite what I found

 

suspicious before is because once I did it would be a lot easier for you to just explain it away, as you've attempted to do here.

(This in itself seems to me that you just really want to lynch him I mean if you have SOLID proof of a person's alignment then you give it out.  If you have a hunch just say so. Here it seems like you were waiting to gain momentum on the lynch and now you can ignore his reasoning.  So in essence you wanted him to explain himself but you didn't want him to explain away his suspicious his behavior???)

As to you not knowing what I found suspicious and your claim you had only made a couple of posts, they kind of contradict each other, it would have taken

 

minimal effort to read through the thread and find what i found suspicious. Rather you chose to just comment that you couldn't care and pretty much told me

 

to bring it, knowing that if I did I'd have to reveal what made me suspicious so you could explain yourself away easier!

(Ok DSage stated that he reread and reread and didn't see what was suspicious.  I'm confused with this statement from you Vemmy.  You didn't explain yourself and assume that things were overtly suspicious for him to figure out.  Next when he asks "What's suspicious?" you claim he is trying to talk himself out of it?  Well I didn't find anything overtly suspicious in a reread at the time so a normal INNOCENT vemmy would ask a person what they meant by something.)

But I *refuse!* to be fooled this time, because some people are just good at explaining away their innocence as evils. In the Wild Wild West game, I

 

convinced Sboyd to ignore his instinct and not lynch me. In the Vampire game he explained himself away each and every time so well that I had to unvote him

 

each damn time. No matter how much my instinct just *knew* it was him.

 

Not again. I won't be put off like I was before, and i won't be fooled like I was before. I'm keeping my vote on you Dsage. For once in my damned life I plan

 

to listen to my instinct instead of trying to prove things logically

 

and its screaming for you

(This was the strangest thing I've seen from Vemmy thus far.  Vemmy has emotions about a day one lynch???? What?  Why? I remember playing Sura with him and getting forced into a roulette action with everyone assuming I was evil.  I remember that I was arguing to get picked and you were arguing against it.  There was a KNOWN evil's death on the line as well as the deaths of several others and you never once got that emotional about me getting picked to do it.  Really REALLY strange.  Why do you care so much about this one?)

 

(He posted several times more but I there were mostly informative posts.  I also wanted to point out several other things I noticed in his posts I didn't like.

Vemmy constantly asks for people to give advice to the finder.  I agree it's a noob game and people need to know how to play but you do not have to be so specific in your requests.  You, several times, mention for the finder to search you.  Normally a person would get night killed for what you have been saying.  Unless you KNOW that you won't be night killed.  This would also explain your strong behavior toward lynching someone on day one because you know you would get searched tonight.  This would also bring out the finder.)

 

(I'm very suspicious of Vemmy.  I know his normal play style and he is acting very strange.  Sorry buddy but I don't like where you are going with this.  Vote: [glow=red,2,300]Vemmy[/glow])

[cloudcrono]

I don't think DSage is evil and I think you IF you are not evil you are stretching to make things fit.

 

Anyway I was going to compose something for DSage but Vemmy posts so damn much I'm too tired now.  LOL.  (It's a good thing man) 

 

See everyone tomorrow.

[Dark Justice]

I do agree with you cloud, but like i said, Id like Vem not to be lynched on day one, have the finder view him to confirm baddy or no baddy. cause he is to valuable to loose if innocent. but if he is bad. and then, if need be, the finder reveals, having him killed. Cause he would be a big loss to them.

Onse more, i struggle to explain myself (english not being my native language..).

[Loreina]

:o

???

:-\

*stares in awe at the longest post she's ever had to read at DM*

Mother's Milk in a Cup!

*feels overwhelming need for a choccy fix*

Double Dutch Brownies anyone? With milk? ahh, regular milk, not that... other stuff...

 

*mutters* mus *munch munch* tink *munch munch*

 

 

 

[Dark Justice]

Ill have some of that ehh.. that.. ehh.. regular milk. With some mint chocolate on the side, if you dont mind.

[Talya]

Leelou  (2): Damane, Raena

Dsage (4): Dark Justice, vemynal, leelou, Xefan

Vemy (3): Kryos, Dsage, Cloudcrono

Naeann (1): Amethea

 

[glow=red,2,300]7[/glow] Votes to Lynch

[Vemynal]

First off: cloud thinks I'm evil and even he says a post count of 39 by page 14 is normal for me XD. Man do i need to get a real life^^

 

secondly: Blue is me in the past

green is cloud

 

yep, statistically 1 evil experienced did make sense, but voting for one off the bat with no information would be to big of a loss. best not to lose an experienced player like raena or the dude to soon. Thats only part of the reason I took my vote off of both of them though, the other is i honestly don't see the other 2 as being evil, at least not yet. Obviously my eyes are open to it but for now I just don't believe it and because of that why would i revote Raena? While it could be an evil just planting this ahead of time to seem more innocent, Raena's explanation of the symp and other posts prior to my vote for the dude lead me to believe that she was innocent, and that I wouldn't likely revote her today.

 

"he wants a coroner's report and DSage ALSO states this at the time but he voices no opinion on DSages post.(I understand he explained that he trying to lay low to get more info on DSage but I'll get to that)"

 

the above isn't right, at the time Dsage posted this I barely even noticed it the first time threw. Later, around the same time I voted the dude, I was just fishing for a response that might be weird. those "two" people i mentioned weren't even Dsage, raena or the dude but actually i was looking at Kryos & Loreina.

 

I mean when you think on it, what the heck was their fight about anyways? Kryos voted me, Loreina questions why he voted me and he seemed to really be ready to go after Loreina. the first thing that bugged me was that Kryos after all that with Loreina didn't vote for her, the second part was that they made their argument so...blatant. When i was in the WWW thorum and me didn't say 1 word ever to each other till day 4. and talya and me were voting for each other day 1 and 2. We planned those fights in the beginning to separate ourselves. So naturally i'm also looking for people vastly opposing as well as agreeing with each other. Eventually this calm down though because Kryos had nothing else against him and nor did loreina. A small part of it also might be that something in me just feels anathema to lynching a new player the first day. its why on the first page I asked for Xefan, Kryos, Loreina and Damane to have protection day 1 and night 1. They are new, lets go easy on them and explain things for them instead of focusing only on winning.

 

so I gave up on Loreina and Kryos (btw, this *all* happened while I had my vote on the dude. he was more of a front then an actual suspicion at this point^^)

 

I had found the dude to not seem evil and that means i had effectively rules out 7 players (me, raena, the dude and the 4 new ones). leelou didn't seem any different, she was even kind enough to explain that I always act like this to someone (forget who). Amethea didn't seem that suspicious. A little weird with her first couple post like I said in the review, but nothing suspicious. you'd only made 1 post cloud and I made my feeling clear on that. Dark was telling the finder to view me night 1, which either he's innocent and wants to know about me or evil and an idiot because then everyone would know I'm innocent. Nae I found a little suspicious for the same reasons as amethea, but suspicions based on how active a player is is very bad because its in truth meta-gaming. Real life gets in the way and sometimes we can't post "hey, i won't be on as much". Finally we get to Dsage. So like I said, the earlier 2 are done with, but that doesn't mean I can't use my long standing comment to try and add more weight to my later reveal. It was just another tactic to try and throw Dsage into a bit of a twist when he found out. I didn't know though that Dsage only skims the thread at the time.

 

But on the matter of Dsage I *HAVE* made myself clear

 

I guess i'll work on making my actions more understandable as I have been

 

for those of you reading at home^^, I'm at the part where cloud quoted me after Dark voted in cloud's case of me

 

(This is REALLY SUSPICIOUS to me.  You had voiced no suspicions earlier for him and now you are voting for DSage. You have stated not only a pair but that you had MENTIONED the person earlier.  I was expecting Raena.  Really wierd.

First off, a couple things wrong with this comment. 1) der i haven't expressed my doubts, I even said why. its so he would keep posting. raena didn't post much. the dude didn't post much. Sboyd only ever posted to explain things away. whenever people get voted for, they suddenly become a *lot* more cautious. [glow=red,2,300]So I *DIDN'T* vote for Dsage yet![/glow]

 

2) i address the Raena thing higher up. and I never said I had mentioned them before, quite the opposite I said i was lying low. I *DID* say about the *2* that I thought I made a connection. And like i said, I figured I'd use that other comment of mine to scare Dsage.

 

He asks DSage to explain himself and DSage is confused as to by what he means (As was I. I like others was looking forward to the review because I was expecting a revelation from Vemy about what DSage did that was so evil.)

Ok, first off: I DID explain what made me so suspicious of Dsage, and you all just think I'm blowing hot air, there is a difference between vemy jumping at shadows as some of you see it, and not giving a reason. Secondly, i don't believe that Dsage is confused. he had made like 5 posts by the time Dark put his vote on him. I was slightly suspicious of him already, i had decided previously not to vote him to see him post more, and Dark votes him =/

 

my choices are to back off and let Dsage just do his "I'll take that as a compliment" version of "you got nothing" (which btw, he did do) and becoming slightly inactive. Or I could not vote him to prevent a bandwagon, which i was only a little suspicious at the time and *THAT* is why i didn't want him being bandwagoned. I wanted more posts to get a better feeling. I *could* have been wrong.

 

So i come out and say "i agree with Dark" and Dsage still blows us off. So I voted Dsage and asked him to try and explain himself a bit more. and for those who might be confused: *YES* I was asking for him to explain what he's been up to and to case himself a bit! Why you guys don't get this i haven't an idea >.>

 

I don't understand what was suspicious about his response with a thank you.  He included a smiley face at the end but nothing was off to me.  What was so strange?  I know you said it was the way he answered but what exactly?

 

I will fully understand if the rest of u don't believe me on this bit, but for some reason a combination of his way of posting he wants a coroner in a rather redundant way and *then* saying thank you in the way he did just made me curious. My first couple times reading it I didn't catch it because I wasn't really looking at it, I was looking at others. When I thought to myself; "out of everyone who seems the most suspicious" it came down to Dsage, and it came down to his posts right there. it was small but it was all i had for the time.

 

THIS is really strange from Vemmy because he refuses to clarify to DSage in a quick response and waits until the review.  Vemmy in my opinion doesn't play like that.  He cuts straight to the point with his questions and doesn't try to make someone look evil)

 

ok, before we get into Dsage, lets cover you and me. Cloud, you have played and i count it only 2 games with me. ever. Our only contact ever has been in the suras game & vampire game, and it is when we were both innocent and I thought you were evil and the other time I didn't even have you on my radar. That was also my first *real* murderer game on the fiddles boards and then another new player game. go back and check if you want, but unlike my behavior here, I had made maybe 10 posts before we got to the part where ilgross died. i was able to play more actively because after that I had caught up and I fit in and it was less of a scare for me. for the vampire game I was there for the beginning of day 2 and then i was gone. that was approx 25 pages true, but in that time all i ever did was do reviews. I wasn't to active even if I was posting. You don't know my play style cloud. When did i do a player review in suras? I do player reviews in all my games, good or evil usually every 10 pages. When do i make look evil that I'll cover next.

 

as to me clarifying my suspicions of Dsage, I think I've made that abundantly clear...that I didn't want him to be able to just explain away my suspicions super easily. Cuz guess what? when you list out all your reasons that make you suspicious, its pretty freaking easy to explain everything away. Casing someone doesn't always help much because the person can then explain everything away. thats why I do reviews and I look for trends, i look for connections, I look for events. *THOSE* things are harder to just explain away. Dsage did to my "case" of him in my review what I'm doing to your case of me. Neither his explaining away my suspicions prove anything, nor do my explanations prove anything.

 

and forgive me here, but; "doesn't try to make someone look evil"

 

let me quote something Dark said in the vampire game:

Vem. You manage to make everyone look suspicious.

How do you do that?  ???

 

the answer is i do it on purpose, if you pursue someone as if they were evil then you will make them seem evil. In the end its a matter of "whose the most evil". In this case it is Dsage for me

 

so lets see, you don't know my play style and i make people look evil if I can, check and check. (btw, for correct reference this quote was taken during day 2 when more information was available. thats the reason everyone looked evil as opposed to everyone looked as evil as I could get =/ )

 

To: To question 1: - umm, read what i said in *your* quote. your trying to make it seem like your confused about something that pretty blatant, and that seems pretty suspicious to me. How am i stretching? he had already even said "oh i've only made 5 posts" well then theres not a lot for him to examine is there? =/. Does a prosecuting lawyer say "this man is guilty! but here are reasons why he might be innocent". or "This man is guilty! Heres everything i have about you, go ahead and build an argument up before responding" (you assume in this metaphor that the defensive lawyer, or fellow murderers, would help him explain things away).

 

So why should I make things easier on him? I'm not stretching the details to fit him, I'm trying to not let someone i think is evil get away like I did with sboyd.

 

To: To question 2: Semi strange that you waited to vote to prevent a bandwagon if you already had suspicions. I've already explained this up top. go read it. And this in no way is stretching. Hell, this is actually a boon I gave Dsage, while I thought he was a little suspicious I didn't want him bandwagoned. I still don't want him bandwagoned. i'd prefer everyone simply knew how I felt, understood what I'm thinking but instead I'm trying to explain it and you call it "stretching".

 

I don't understand how more dramatic spam makes him look more suspicious.

I think i didn't put that across quite right, either that or your misquoting. to lazy to check. Basically I'm saying that the way he said it in combination of how he said it that made me feel iffy about him. Dramati was the wrong word i think.

 

I mean if you don't know him too well you wouldn't realize that he is a singer

oooo, on a completely different note! (about time me and Dsage stepped back from the game and just had fun with each other^^) what do you sing? that really cool that your a singer^^. i have a few friends that are and I know a ton of people that were in choir and drama club and plays etc in highschool. it was always lots of fun to see them perform^^ are you trying to make that a career? I have a neighbor who is and he's having a hard time but every time I see him he looks so happy with it, I can tell he really enjoys himself^^

 

You are very clear with your reasoning usually so this is very strange from you Vemmy.

clear with my reasoning? can I quote you on this for my rl friends? I admit on these games since its typed out and I cna plan my words correctly I'm a good "speaker" (typer :P). But in real life half my friends never have a freaking idea what in hell I'm talking about XD.

 

back on track though, I understand perfectly what I mean and why I think Dsage is evil, if I'm having trouble making it clear that might be because there is so little to go on. And theres also the fact that other then saying "my gut is going with so and so" some times you can't really explain.

 

Dsage, when 2 people say they have something on you, its generally a good idea to listen in and explain yourself.

I agree but you didn't make it clear as to what you had on him until much later, very strange from you.

 

this is just your same old tired question again in another tired out version of itself. I've answered it above, go read that.

 

This in itself seems to me that you just really want to lynch him I mean if you have SOLID proof of a person's alignment then you give it out.

Its day 1, there *is* no solid proof

 

If you have a hunch just say so.

ok, I have a really strong hunch. thats should have been hinted at when I reviewed him =/

Here it seems like you were waiting to gain momentum on the lynch and now you can ignore his reasoning.  So in essence you wanted him to explain himself but you didn't want him to explain away his suspicious his behavior???

noo, your not listening. I want to make it as hard as humanly possible for Dsage to explain himself away now that he has my undivided attention. i didn't ride everything I had on sboyd and i let him get away. I won't make that mistake again.

 

I *want* Dsage to explain himself. and if i find that he's innocent then hey, he's innocent. But nothing I've see so far gives me any reason to think of him as innocent. the way he's handled himself was perfect for stalling till he knew exactly what I had on him and then he could throw it away. Which he did quite easily after i had to put it all out there. I'm waiting for my gut to stop saying its him, but just like it never did with sboyd last game it isn't goign away now and so i refuse to unvote.

 

Cloud, how do you know what a *normal innocent vemy* would do? we've covered this, and you don't. at least from my end of things that pretty obvious. Lets say that the vampire game taught me that you have to play hard ball if you expect to win these things. And if being a bit merciless is whats required then i guess i'll have to be. Dsage should know I love playing these games with him and its nothing personal (btw, stop by the novice quarters some time Dsage! you used to be an algai didn't you? XD). But i think he's evil and I'm not going to show him any mercy till I find out why I think he's evil or until my gut stops screams "its him! its him!".

 

I remember playing Sura with him and getting forced into a roulette action with everyone assuming I was evil.  I remember that I was arguing to get picked and you were arguing against it.  There was a KNOWN evil's death on the line as well as the deaths of several others and you never once got that emotional about me getting picked to do it.  Really REALLY strange.  Why do you care so much about this one?

lmao sorry but emotional isn't right. "swept up" in my own writings would be more accurate. if you read my stuff, when I begin talking about something it starts small, calm and collected and as time goes on it becomes a lot more grandiose.

 

So not emotion, merely "pompous" i guess would be right XD

 

and i was exactly that during that thing, do you remember how adamantly i argued that having a confirmed innocent was better? do you remember how that made kivam suspect me and how "grandiose" my "speeches" (and some times they truly became speeches XD) became a couple of times? there was no difference there or here. I believe I'm right now, and I *STILL* believe i was right then, the difference is then they didn't listen to me. Now I mean for you guys too.

 

Normally a person would get night killed for what you have been saying.  Unless you KNOW that you won't be night killed.  This would also explain your strong behavior toward lynching someone on day one because you know you would get searched tonight. This would also bring out the finder.

 

thank you for adding this last bit cloud, because of it the murderers will likely now do this and we can't prove my innocence *OR* find clues upon my death.

 

thats a rather smart murderer move to make. out of the new player only kryos would I estimate being able to think that up and our of the returning only you, me, raena, the dude and maybe naeann because (when the games arn't going or I'm dead or shes dead) I tend to give her advice and tell her certain tricks you can do. Which means even if it was a wasted viewing (which there was no certainty of me being viewed) we would have narrowed down who we know is evil to those 6 and then we would be able to use those 6 as the basis of our viewings/reviews/cases and select the right one hopefully.

 

even if I died it would have helped. And in none of this does the finder *have* to reveal. half of you already don't trust me. the finder could simply wait till you finish me off, help be the tiding voice that kills me. always countering my claims. In WWW Safir was never able to be on enough to do this well enough and when time came to prove my guilt he didn't have the required back round posts.

 

So that you cloud, for single handedly killing one of my plans

 

and btw, another reason I tend to assume that i won't be night killed, and if you read my other games I tend not to be (I haven't been yet), I personally believe its because murderers don't like night killing someone that everyone is so suspicious of. Why night kill someone who you could prod the innocent players into lynching and wasting a day on?

 

its simply not good tactics

 

and holy crap that took a while to write O.o

[Toy and Minion]

Okay, Vem, yeah, I made 5 posts.  The last of which was on page 4.  I did re-read them, but nothing seemed the least bit suspicious to me.

 

And that ends all of my explaining of my behavior.  Want more, check out Fiddlesticks, it might help, maybe.  *shrugs*

[damane]

Okay here's my input...i think DSage may possibly be innocent and all those who are voting for him werewolves..ask me why i say this? Because there are too many trying to make others believe he is a werewolf, thus trying to make us innocents believe he is as well, which would lead us to lynch him, thus loosing as innocent....

[the dude]

Vem, personally I don't think it's much of a case.  I'm not criticizing here; you're playing the game to the hilt, and that's a good thing.  Active players are good; either they point out the important stuff if they're innocent, or they eventually slip up if they're evil.  Win-win!

 

While I'm not saying that DSage must categorically be innocent, I don't really agree that his posts thus far have been much of an indicator of guilt either.  Technically speaking, it's possible to find suspicious behaviour in anything anyone says.  Me, I throw in some color with my sojourns to my shed; DSage, he sings.  Others produce baked goods.  All's I'm saying is that it's possible to read too much into things.

 

Still, Day 1 has lasted long enough by now, I suppose.  Myself, I'm more interested to see what the night brings.  We've gotta lynch someone.  DSage wins sympathy points from me because I HATE dying on day one, consistently, over consecutive games.  HATE it.  I'd say his resignation (which could very well be a smokescreen) is likely just frustration.  My take, that's all.

 

Damane's got the right of it.  If DSage is innocent, you can bet that at least one of those voters are evil.  If not Vem, then one of the ones riding his coat tails.

[damane]

Exactly, i just don't think the case has been made one way or the other.

[the dude]

I would like to get the game rolling though.  Day one being what it is, my current inclination is to let DSage make it to day two.  I'm not really up for killing off Vem just yet; I don't see a need to do that yet, and in the end if he's on the level it could only be to our detriment. 

 

Looking at the current list of candidates (those who already have votes), Leelou is looking attractive, and also might be a good candidate for today's lynch....  (BA-DUM-CHING!)......  Ahem.  Tough crowd....

 

So yeah, she's got 2 votes, which, next to Vem and D is the most on a single person.

 

This is cold calculation here; unfortunately, that's sort of all anyone can go on for day one.  Lame, but them's the breaks.

 

[glow=red,2,300]Leelou.[/glow]

 

EDIT:  I'm flexible on this though; Leelou, are you one of the newer players?  I don't want to sour the experience by screwing you over out of the gates; the dude is reasonable.  Most of the time.  Sometimes.  Okay, like, just this once. 

[damane]

so far i haven't seen Leeloo try to defend himself, so i'm gonna stick with my vote for now.

[Loreina]

:o

???

:-\

 

*reaches desperately for more of her suspicious brownies*

*and a large gin and tonic*

 

*feels much better*

 

*ponders what she has learned*

 

1) there are three evils

2) Vemy is twisty yet at least two other experienced players think him evil but worth keeping until certain. Though I want to vote for him, they seem to know what they are doing.

3) Cloud seems to be very sure DSage is not evil  :-\

4) The dude has good hunches and has voted for leelou.

5) other people have voted for leelou

*sighs*

I vote for [glow=red,2,300]Leelou[/glow]

 

[the dude]

Is Leelou a guy or a chick?  :-[

[Toy and Minion]

both?  niether?  blackberries?

[Leelou]

I'm a chick...and as I said I haven't been around much because a lot of RL stuff came up the past few days. I am innocent, I don't know what I can do to convince you. The first vote on me was made even before I came to the game.

[Toy and Minion]

Well, that's a relief.  You can never be sure.  Kadere has a sig with a woman lying on the ground (i think she's dead) and he's no chick.

 

I'm keeping my vote on Vemy, "Just cause he voted me"  cool beans.

[the dude]

I'm a chick...and as I said I haven't been around much because a lot of RL stuff came up the past few days. I am innocent, I don't know what I can do to convince you. The first vote on me was made even before I came to the game.

 

:-[

 

Sorry, no offense intended.  I saw someone call you a "he" and didn't know if maybe I was wrong; I'd assumed you were a girl....  My bad, sorry.

 

Honestly, Leelou, I'm not at all certain you're evil.  Like I said, if this is your first game or close to it, I'm reluctant to string you up on the first day.  Tell me it's your first game and I'll gladly revoke my vote.  I'm voting for you purely because I sympathize with DSage's plight, and Vem is active enough that I'm willing to keep him on until there's a solid reason to get rid of him.  You simply happen to be the person with the votes fmost after those two; pure numbers, no specific suspicions.