S3E7 - Goldeneyes

[Elder_Haman]

  On 4/17/2025 at 3:47 AM, Mailman said:

Why did he not take the Waygate from Falme then?

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Perhaps heading down the coast where the Seanchan might be was a suboptimal choice. 
 

And, I know this may shock you, but sometimes real people in real life make decisions that aren’t optimal. Maybe he just had a hard time deciding what he wanted to do. 

[Mailman]

  On 4/17/2025 at 3:51 AM, Elder_Haman said:

Perhaps heading down the coast where the Seanchan might be was a suboptimal choice. 
 

And, I know this may shock you, but sometimes real people in real life make decisions that aren’t optimal. Maybe he just had a hard time deciding what he wanted to do. 

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Perhaps sailing into the ocean where the Seachan might be was a sub optimal choice.

 

Yes people can make poor decisions writing off every mistake in the show as people are incompetent is not good storytelling. As I said you can continue making up implausible explanation after implausible explanation if you want or we could stop.

[Irvyne]

Where's the Ep8 thread?

I have so many thoughts! 😅

[A Memory Of Why]

  On 4/17/2025 at 9:01 AM, Irvyne said:

Where's the Ep8 thread?

I have so many thoughts! 😅

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Dang, I tried creating a post for it but it needs mod approval 😅

 

Buggers are probably dealing with real world shit and here we are wanting to talk about fantasy shit and how it impacts our real world feelings 🥲

Edited April 17 by A Memory Of Why

[Elder_Haman]

  On 4/17/2025 at 7:12 AM, Mailman said:

writing off every mistake in the show

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Perrin traveling to the Two Rivers isn’t a “mistake”. Not explaining why he didn’t take a different route isn’t bad storytelling. 

[Figs and Mice]

  On 4/17/2025 at 9:01 AM, Irvyne said:

Where's the Ep8 thread?

I have so many thoughts! 😅

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So have I but am happy to wait a while as some time zones may not have seen it yet. Will say I was happier than I expected to be with it  - especially after the way the two previous finales mangled everything !

[Vosha]

  On 4/17/2025 at 7:12 AM, Mailman said:

Perhaps sailing into the ocean where the Seachan might be was a sub optimal choice.

 

Yes people can make poor decisions writing off every mistake in the show as people are incompetent is not good storytelling. As I said you can continue making up implausible explanation after implausible explanation if you want or we could stop.

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I don't think you obsessing over this makes you look as good as you think it does.

[Mailman]

  On 4/17/2025 at 12:05 PM, Elder_Haman said:

Perrin traveling to the Two Rivers isn’t a “mistake”. Not explaining why he didn’t take a different route isn’t bad storytelling. 

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Ok then 

The facts

 

Perrin kills Bornhald Snr

Perrin then decides to travel all the way to Tar Valon on a month-long journey by boat to apparently sit in an inn for 3 days.

Approx 3 days after arriving in Tar Valon Perrin decides to go home for no other reason than he wants to.

He decides this trip should be taken in the incredibly dangerous ways despite no apparent need for speed.

 

Everything else is pure guess work.

Your theories.

Moiraine wanted him there.   Well she seemed to actively want them separated once in Tar Valon so seems a bit of a push.

He wanted to go with his friends. Again only 3 days after arriving he splits from them so a bit of a push especially when he could have got off the boat at Illian and continued by boat straight to the 2 rivers after spending weeks with them.

He thought it would be quicker to boat to Tar Valon and then waygate from there. Extremely unlikely considering the locations of Falme, the 2 rivers and Tar Valon and also the proximity of the waygate to Falme and still does not explain the sudden need for speed.

The whitecloaks had horses. Perrin was able to get travel on a ship I don't really see why he could not have got a horse instead. There would also have been numerous horses left by the Seachan and the dead whitecloaks.

Maybe he had a tinder date with a warder in the tower barracks?(not yours)

 

You can keep filling in the blanks with what I would consider poor options as much as you want, it does not change that on the pure facts his travel, the means of his travel and the reasons for his travel seem to make no sense. If you can provide some hard facts from the show I am willing to reevaluate my position until then I am not.

Edited April 17 by Mailman

[Mailman]

  On 4/17/2025 at 1:33 PM, Vosha said:

 

I don't think you obsessing over this makes you look as good as you think it does.

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You will note at the bottom of my post 

 

  On 4/17/2025 at 1:33 PM, Vosha said:

As I said you can continue making up implausible explanation after implausible explanation if you want or we could stop.

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[Elder_Haman]

  On 4/17/2025 at 1:47 PM, Mailman said:

Perrin then decides to travel all the way to Tar Valon on a month-long journey by boat to apparently sit in an inn for 3 days.

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We learn in S3E1 that all of the Emond’s Field Five are stressing the importance of staying together. 

 

  On 4/17/2025 at 1:47 PM, Mailman said:

Perrin decides to go home for no other reason than he wants to.

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Homesickness. What is it? 

 

  On 4/17/2025 at 1:47 PM, Mailman said:

He decides this trip should be taken in the incredibly dangerous ways despite no apparent need for speed.

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What makes it ‘incredibly dangerous’? The show has not established the Ways as being particularly dangerous except for those that channel and therefore draw Machin Shin.

 

The fact that the writers didn’t explicitly tell you why he decided to take that route isn’t bad storytelling. But keep going off. You’re doing great!

[Skipp]

  On 4/17/2025 at 1:58 PM, Elder_Haman said:

We learn in S3E1 that all of the Emond’s Field Five are stressing the importance of staying together. 

 

Homesickness. What is it? 

 

What makes it ‘incredibly dangerous’? The show has not established the Ways as being particularly dangerous except for those that channel and therefore draw Machin Shin.

 

The fact that the writers didn’t explicitly tell you why he decided to take that route isn’t bad storytelling. But keep going off. You’re doing great!

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As for Perrin wanting to go home, it could easily be a mix of Homesickness, feeling lost after Falme and Ta'varen pull to be honest.

[Vosha]

  On 4/17/2025 at 1:48 PM, Mailman said:

You will note at the bottom of my post 

 

 

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I mean, you've got the power to stop yourself, but I'll just leave it there. 

[Mailman]

  On 4/17/2025 at 2:28 PM, Vosha said:

I mean, you've got the power to stop yourself, but I'll just leave it there. 

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I mean you can either join the conversation or not sniping from the sidelines is hardly productive.

Why are you not telling Elder to stop? hmm I wonder.

[Mailman]

  On 4/17/2025 at 1:58 PM, Elder_Haman said:

You’re doing great!

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Thanks.

[expat]

  On 4/17/2025 at 2:28 PM, Skipp said:

 

As for Perrin wanting to go home, it could easily be a mix of Homesickness, feeling lost after Falme and Ta'varen pull to be honest.

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Ta'varen pull is the ultimate ex dues machina excuse for all inconsistencies and logical lapses by the three boys, so arguing that some specific action doesn't make sense is incoherent.  Those three don't have to abide by the rules of logic because that was the set up by Jordan in the books.  Perrin didn't go to EF directly from Falme because the Pattern didn't need him there at the point in time.  There were preconditions requirements before his arrival in order to direct him into the path the pattern needed him to pursue.  When those preconditions were met, he went back to EF.  Is this ex dues machina, absolutely, but tough.

[rowdie]

Loial?   Can he fall on another bridge and open another gate, or is he done?

[Mirefox]

  On 4/19/2025 at 12:52 AM, rowdie said:

Loial?   Can he fall on another bridge and open another gate, or is he done?

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No body, no crime.

 

I think there are ways he can be rescued if the show wanted.

[Figs and Mice]

  On 4/19/2025 at 2:13 AM, Mirefox said:

No body, no crime.

 

I think there are ways he can be rescued if the show wanted.

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I think the same ... but am not holding my breath.