FIDDLES-ON-SEA -------- The Pirates Game

[Alys Kinch]

i am color coding this for interest...

 

he did state that his reasons agree with our reasoning... hard to call it a bandwagon when you are providing enough reasoning for any logical person to see.

 

and there is another reason i can think of, but i will keep it close for the time being.

 

If you honestly believe that we should tell the cop who to investigate in a place where the Pirates can hear, then you are trying to get Sirayn killed.

 

 

they won't ever know who is being protected unless their kill doens't go through or the cop specifically says so, so it doesn't matter, regardless of what you say. this means that there is no reason we shouldn't make suggestions to avoid a wasted night.

 

If the Pirates KNOW that our cop is going to investigate Sirayn, they will kill her tonight. They will do this BECAUSE of what we would gain from an innocent result.

 

this is contradictory. their killing her would give the same information as an innocent find because if they kill her, she is innocent. think about it. the only thing it would take away is a known. but this all falls under s.o.p.

 

Secondly, in order to confirm her, our cop would have to claim tomorrow.

 

not true. the cop makes that decision alone. keep the innocents and reveal the evils.

 

not here, but on sites where it's played more regularly)

 

we tend to break the rules... ask sira.

 

FoS : Alys Kinch. That stands for Finger of Suspicion.

 

kison, do tell me the answer to the question i asked. why would you not look at a high profile person if you were the cop?? where is a better place to start on day one??

 

I'm not liking the Kison lynch at the moment because he seems to be mildly concerned about my continued survival and I do like to live.

 

it appears to be posturing though.

 

Sirayn will be killed in the end, if not tonight because of a doctor protection. However, I'll get into this later.

 

stats say that sira, dude and i will all be gone before the end. unless someone is evil... and i would wager kivam is going down too

 

ensuring that they get the kill off.

 

the chances of them not getting the kill off are very low in the first place. you are over stressing this point. especially since s.o.p. with someone like sira is already to check her out. most games, the evils don't even try which is why sir and i usually die... this is the reason behind it. ask anyone who has been evil aronnd here. it creates a safety for her certainly, but it is because she is too obviously a first target for everyone.

[Guest Barmacral]

The reason I haven't thrown out a good vote yet is because I don't know who I want to vote for. I said this. I'll add my vote to the rounds when I decide on who I think is scum. The reason for my current vote is also stated, because of a fun little circle between me boyd and GG.

[Kison]

Color = evil.

 

i am color coding this for interest...

 

he did state that his reasons agree with our reasoning... hard to call it a bandwagon when you are providing enough reasoning for any logical person to see.

 

Alys' date=' there are a great number of things he could be referring to by saying "it is all here to be found". I simply fail to see why he is refusing to specify.

 

 

If you honestly believe that we should tell the cop who to investigate in a place where the Pirates can hear, then you are trying to get Sirayn killed.

 

 

they won't ever know who is being protected unless their kill doens't go through or the cop specifically says so, so it doesn't matter, regardless of what you say. this means that there is no reason we shouldn't make suggestions to avoid a wasted night.

 

Making suggestion and banking on the cop complying is giving the Pirates a hint at who to avoid killing. That allows predictability. The cop should know who to investigate based on the day's events, and we shouldn't make any suggestions in order to avoid predictability.

 

If the Pirates KNOW that our cop is going to investigate Sirayn' date=' they will kill her tonight. They will do this BECAUSE of what we would gain from an innocent result.[/color']

 

this is contradictory. their killing her would give the same information as an innocent find because if they kill her, she is innocent. think about it. the only thing it would take away is a known. but this all falls under s.o.p.

 

Alys, of course we would gain information from Sirayn coming up dead. But it's STILL a wasted cop investigation. You're justifying risking the loss of our investigation because of some information we'd have gained whether or not it was Sirayn who was the person who died.

 

Also, let me draw up a scenario outline based on the two paths we could take, here...

 

 

~~Suggesting Cop Investigation Scenario~~

Day One: We say, "Investigate Townie A"

Night One: Scum kills Townie A

Day Two: We say, "Investigate Townie B"

Night Two: Scum kills Townie B

Day Three: We say, "Investigate Townie C"

Night Three: Scum kills Townie C

 

Day Four: Cop has not found any innocents. We are down 7 people(1 mod kill, 3 lynches, 3 night kills). We have no idea who to go for because all three of our investigations were killed.

 

Here is an alternative...

 

~~Unpredictability Scenario~~

Day One: We say, "investigate at random"

Night One: Cop investigates Townie C. Scum kills Townie A

Day Two: We say, "investigate at random"

Night Two: Cop investigates Townie D. Scum kills Townie B

Day Three: We say, "investigate at random"

Night Three: Cop investigates Townie E. Scum kills Townie C.

 

Day Four: We have close to even number scum/townies. We need all the info we can get. Fortunately, our cop has three investigation results! He found that Townie E was scum, Townie C & D are town. We kill Townie E. Next day, we know that C, D, and the cop are innocent. Unfortunately, one of these will die at night. However, the next day, we have 2 confirmed innocents instead of 0.

 

Obviously our doc would alleviate some of these issue, but, alas, he can only protect one person. I honestly don't understand why you all think I am scum just based on my telling you this, but whatever.

[Talya]

Only votes are to be put in bold, please use colours if you wish to make things stand out, otherwise gets confusing. Thank you

 

 

 

KISON (4): Alys, Kivam, GoodGrief, Dude,

 

BARMACRAL (1) - SBoydW

 

KIVAM (1) - Zy

 

THE DUDE (1) - Kison

 

6 votes to lynch

[Alys Kinch]

but the fact of the matter is that the healer can go for who ever s/he decides and the same for the cop. there is absolutely no reason anyone has to do what is said. that is the reason i find it rather more interesting to throw out names. if a name is thrown out for a heal or finding, that person is less likely to be hit because of the unknown. deal with it... complaining doesn't help.

[Kison]

but the fact of the matter is that the healer can go for who ever s/he decides and the same for the cop. there is absolutely no reason anyone has to do what is said. that is the reason i find it rather more interesting to throw out names. if a name is thrown out for a heal or finding' date=' that person is less likely to be hit because of the unknown. deal with it... complaining doesn't help.[/color']

 

There's a difference between speculating how an investigation will help and actively requesting one. Yes, the cop can investigate whoever he/she wants, but the fact of the matter is that they'll most likely listen to our suggestions had I not brought the dangers of it up. It's not a complaint, it's a simple warning. I'm only continuing to bring it up because you all have continued to criticize me for bringing the subject up in the first place.

[GoodGrief]

Kison enters the circle of love! Then breaks it :(

 

We had a nice Me>Kison>Barmy>Me loop going.

 

I'm keeping my vote where it is, despite the disappointing lack of vote-loops.

 

Also, Talya, you've missed a few votes. Barmy has one on me. That's all I can think of.

[Alys Kinch]

then it really isn't a danger because all they can be taken for are suggestions. you can't exactly order the cop or healer to do something they don't want to do. and once you have conflicting views out... see what i mean? it really can be a good bit of misdirection in the end. the point is being unpredictable even if you are doing the predictable thing, if you catch my drift.

[Kison]

then it really isn't a danger because all they can be taken for are suggestions. you can't exactly order the cop or healer to do something they don't want to do. and once you have conflicting views out... see what i mean? it really can be a good bit of misdirection in the end. the point is being unpredictable even if you are doing the predictable thing' date=' if you catch my drift.[/color']

 

It's a WIFOM situation. Nontheless, it is still much more likely that, if the town agreed to suggest the same person, the cop would have done it. Pirates would have known this, and gotten a near-free kill.

[SBoydW]

Well I believe that the mod is going to begin to lose her patience soon so I am going to change my bote to Kison.

 

Does any one know what the record for a day one is? I think that we may have broken it.

[Alys Kinch]

that was last game. it was around 30 something pages... unless you mean time wise. time wise, i know it has never taken a week to pull off the first lynch.

 

it will stay like that too kison because all you are doing is prolonging the day... and i am sooooo tired. i want my bunk. :(

[Winter Mist]

On the grounds that he brought his hunches up very early in the game which has, in fact, lead to a lot of discussing and potentially delaying tactics...

 

Vote: the Dude

[Kison]

1) How am I prolonging the day? All I said was that we should not be telling our cop and doc who to investigate.

 

2) If I was prolonging the day based on this, how is it a bad thing? If you are in such a rush to get to the night stage and want to ignore something that could lead to a better end-result, then what are your intentions?

[Kison]

I'd just like to say this before I(very likely) am lynched. I do not regret saying anything I've said thus far, because I do believe I have a pretty valid point. The fact that I am being lynched for it, however, is fairly careless work on the town's part. If this is the best reason you can find to lynch someone, then try looking a little bit harder into actual voting patterns, band-wagoning, and inconsistencies.

 

I'm not going to beg or scream for unvotes, because quite frankly, Kivam is correct. We need to lynch someone on day one, and it is unlikely that it will be scum. Nontheless, you should still try your best, and listen to people, even if their oppinions are the contrast your own, because they may have a point. In my own case, I fail to see how what I've said and/or done has been in the lesser interest of the town, so keep that in mind for next time.

 

If, and I would bank on this being the case, I am lynched, do the following:

 

1) Look very carefully into those who have bandwagoned me:

 

Alys Kinch - Has held her vote on me since the beginning of the day. Not sure if she's just failed to find a reason to remove it, but there you have it. Although simple disagreeance is quite fine, many of her points are way off(prolonging the day is scummy???) Bleep on the scumdar.

 

Kivam - Honestly, I don't think he's scum, despite being the gas that sped the wagon up. He has made some very good points, and has therefore caused me to rethink some of my arguments, although I still disagree with him.

 

the dude - Bandwagoned, no reason stated. Refuses to state a reason upon questioning. Refuses to state a reason for his refusal to state a reason(:roll:). Bleep on the scumdar.

 

GoodGrief - Another who I do not believe is scum. Voted, but layed out a fairly decent reason for doing so.

 

SBoydW - Putting at lynch minus one is a bold move, especially when you don't state WHY. Bleep on the scumdar.

 

Whoever actually places the hammer on me is yet another who you should watch out for. No, all the people I suspect are not going to be scum, but I would bank on one of them, at least.

 

2) Go back and read what I've said. After I'm lynched, you'll know that I am town, and will therefore know the intentions of what I've said. I think the largest problem is that most people think that I have spoken as a Pirate. However, since there is a Coroner find, you'll know if I wind up dead.

 

3) Learn from your mistakes. Don't rush tomorrow. Don't vote without a good reason, especially when someone is close to lynching.

[SBoydW]

Actually I gave my reason. I said that I voted for you because we are about to go to night. Implying that I think that we need to lynch SOMEONE before we go to night.

[Sirayn]

Kison just isn't pinging my radar right now. We're losing way too many innocents via modkill and I'd rather not potentially kill off a third by lynching somebody else as well. Toy and Minion.

[SBoydW]

Sirayn who other than loki have we lost to a mod kill?

[Kison]

Sirayn who other than loki have we lost to a mod kill?

 

I think the idea was that we will lose more based on their activity' date=' and I am inclined to agree.

 

[b']Vote : Toy and Minion[/b]

 

SBoydW, we don't even have a deadline imposed yet, so I don't know what you're getting at with the idea that we're almost at night. As long as we're active, I see no reason to have a deadline imposed.

[Winter Mist]

change my vote to Toy and Minion

 

It does make sense to do it this way.

[SBoydW]

Pointless activity is as usuless as no activity at all. Sure people are active but nothing is happening. I have a feeling we may be seeing a time limit imposed soon. If the mod posts and says other wise I will reconsider my vote. But until then I am of the belief that we need to go ahead and lynch, and stop pointing our fingers at people from a spining merry-go-round.

[Kison]

Pointless activity is as usuless as no activity at all. Sure people are active but nothing is happening. I have a feeling we may be seeing a time limit imposed soon. If the mod posts and says other wise I will reconsider my vote. But until then I am of the belief that we need to go ahead and lynch' date=' and stop pointing our fingers at people from a spining merry-go-round.[/quote']

 

Pointless activity? You're calling relavent debate pointless. If the only thing that is of value to you is someone getting killed, then you're sadly mistaken.

 

Pointless activity is spam unrelated to the game.

[SBoydW]

No one getting lynched is pointless activity. Seein as how the POINT of this game is to do so, I do not see that as being mistaken.

[Guest Barmacral]

Toy and Minion is on a LOA that he has stated, although not in this thread. The mod knows this, I made sure of that. Does it mean modkill? Thats up to the mod still.

[Kison]

No one getting lynched is pointless activity. Seein as how the POINT of this game is to do so' date=' I do not see that as being mistaken.[/quote']

 

The point of the game is to eliminate mafia. Lynching random people is not achieving that goal. Of course, on day one, it is unlikely that you will get the right lynch, however, you need to TRY to get as much information out of people regardless, and to try to hit as accurately as you can.

 

Your goal to rush the day is quite the contrary.

[Talya]

KISON (5): Alys, Kivam, GoodGrief, Dude, Boyo

 

KIVAM (1) - Zy

 

GOOGGRIEF (1) - Barmy

 

TOY AND MINION (3) - Sira, Kison, Winter Mist,

 

The Modess was already aware of Toy's LOA, but thanks Barmy. At present because there is a lot of debating, which I'm enjoying :lol: , I will not be putting a deadline on this, if I feel that it needs a push due to lack of constructive activity then I will impose a deadline.

 

Boyo added to Kison vote