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[Zander?]

13 hours ago, Andrej said:

BFG being the lead wagon and claiming a PR going into DL is like the most convenient thing ever. The best I’d call it is NAI. Either she’s legit or she’s scum and knew claiming anything but a PR meant it’s curtains.

 

So - is there anything from her play that makes you think she is Town besides claiming Doc?

 

Like she wagoned Krak while saying she had no read. Her SR on Darthe was the weakest thing ever. She made no real attempt to really interact or sort with anyone D1.

 

This isn’t Town!BFG

 

Ya this is pretty accurate. I made a post where I said I think BFG is Scum but I wasn't sold on it....I figured Scum or slow playing a PR.

[Zander?]

3 hours ago, DPR said:

So, I googled it, and found:  https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=JK9

 

Looks like 8 games played on MafiaScum from 2009 thru 2013. Scum usually wins.

 

If this is the case - and I grant that with a JK and 9 players it definitely could be - I can't help but think that our solution is easy. Tracker stays anonymous and peeks BFG tonight - if she doesn't visit anyone, or if the person she visits dies, we got ourselves a scum. Simples. 

 

And that begs the question...

 

If AJ recognizes this setup, why wasn't the above his first suggestion? Even if a player was 99% sure that BFG was scum, why take a chance on killing them when you can easily prove it? Hunt the other wolf instead, no?

 

 

 

 

 

Is this a joke?!?!?!?!?!

 

 

[Zander?]

On 22/06/2018 at 8:17 PM, DPR said:

 

~ UPDATED ROSTER THOUGHTS ~

 

As we have had another day to see more of each player, and before we go into that silent night...

 

 

1. Darthe – He began the game with the controversial post and plan, followed by intermittent clowning along with some serious play. I go back and forth thinking that I recognize what he's doing and then thinking that he has no idea what he's doing.  We'll see. 

 

2. Sooh – Wanted to see more insight from her, but she hasn't avoided the thread. I'm fine with her play for D1. 

 

 3. BFG – She's underwhelmed with insight into the game, and drawn criticism for her read on me. On the there hand, it is only D1 and nobody has really offered much insight and I've been the most outspoken player. But, I don't have scum meta on her and I truly do not see a world where Darthe and Sooh are scum together, so I have to respect other's reads on this one. 

 

4. Aquilla – Had today to kind of settle in and really didn't. I haven't really like his 1-2-3 approach to the game. I could see uncomfortable scum here.  

 

5. Andrej – Not liking his play at all. Seems like he's going out of his way to accommodate Darthe's antics and then seems irritated when I question that. I didn't like his read on Aquilla and I don't like his fence sitting on the rest of the game. Happy to vote here.

 

6. Krakalakachkn – He steered the bus back into the Krak lane enough to make me think he's just a little off. 

 

7.  TrippedOnReality – Asking good quesstions. Needs to offer solid reads.  

 

8.  DreadPirateRoberts – Too sexy for this game.  

 

9.  Zanatron – Laze-a-tron has my antenna up. He's sucking up to AJ, making room for Darthe and never in the history of mafia has he ever not read me as scum. Could be low-interest town. Could be scumming. 

 

Vote AJ

 

On 22/06/2018 at 5:43 PM, Zanatron said:

That's a good question.  Tbqh 

 

Scum is easier for me.  DPR tho admittedly he's come around a tad with his more recent posts and BFG for playing against my recalled Meta on her but I not 100% sold on her being Scum.

 

Town tbqh Darthe so I'm prolly wrong...hes a skilled player but it's hard to reinvent you're entire Scum in a matter of a couple games.  His much more erratic here which is more reminiscent of what I recall from his Town game.

 

Tripped looked fine so far...nothing really pinging me atp but no Meta to baseline that from so take with a grain of salt.

 

Sooh I suck at reading so I'm not even gonna assume anything on her till I have some more info to use.

 

Krak is just FML.  I dont know wtf to think I dont remember a lot from him from before other then reading him frustrates me...lol.

 

AJ not quite what I expect from Town!AJ like just not quite there yet tho his change in style is throwing me off some.

 

Aquilla has had some good thoughts and others not so much.  No Meta to use either.

 

Too many nulls for my liking.

 

Qfr

[Zander?]

On 22/06/2018 at 8:44 PM, BFG said:

I don't believe Chris puts in a jk and doc in a 9 player

 

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[Zander?]

On 22/06/2018 at 8:50 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

I could see Chris putting in a town doc and a scum JKer...I don't know if he'd do the opposite. 

 

AJ, has scum BFG ever fake claimed before?  I believe her claim more than I believe Krak's rn.   

 

 I dont know why but this posts set off my pingdar....

[Zander?]

2 minutes ago, Zanatron said:

 

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FTFM

[Zander?]

On 22/06/2018 at 8:56 PM, TrippedOnReality said:

 

Nothing you've done so far has made sense.  And basically what BFG said.  If you don't believe in there being a doc and a jk, and you're jk, that should defacto make you keep your vote BFG.  But instead you went with an entirely new wagon on DPR.

 

So I don't believe your claim.  

 

 

 

He was the 2nd person to claim...if he said that then why would he have claimed it?!?!?!?!?!?

[TrippedOnReality]

1 hour ago, Zanatron said:

 

He was the 2nd person to claim...if he said that then why would he have claimed it?!?!?!?!?!?

Because he was the counter to the claimed doc.  Obviously his claim was true, but if you're trying to make people doubt a doc claim as scum, I could see claiming jailkeeper to push the wagon back the other way.  I'm probably bias because I just played a Chris!game with a town doc and a scum!JK and I can absolutely see scum claiming JK as JK if they get run up.  It's a role that can be either town or scum so it creates doubt.

 

The thing that bugged me the most was moving the vote.  If I were town!JK and I didn't believe there were both a town doc and a town JK in the same game, there is no way I'm unvoting BFG there.  

[Zander?]

I can only speak for myself but if he's someone like me I not good at trying to figure out game setups so maybe it didn't make sense but he wasn't 100% sure.  I know hindsight is 20 20 but still.

[TrippedOnReality]

1 minute ago, Zanatron said:

I can only speak for myself but if he's someone like me I not good at trying to figure out game setups so maybe it didn't make sense but he wasn't 100% sure.  I know hindsight is 20 20 but still.

 

That's fair.  But even beyond that, he seemed like he had zero interest in solving the game.    

[Zander?]

That's normal for Krak as both alignments thats why I stated he's frustrating to read.

[TrippedOnReality]

3 hours ago, Sooh said:

Why wait? As you say, if a tracker is directed the team knows who's being tracked, so obviously BFG would never do that kill. If you have a clear suspect, then go for it I say. 

 

My non vote vote is on BFG.

 

Wouldn't tracker have tracked BFG last night though if that's the case?  If it's actually JK9, tracker tracks BFG nowhere or to the dead person, either way, she's not the doc.

[DPR]

3 hours ago, Sooh said:

Why wait? As you say, if a tracker is directed the team knows who's being tracked, so obviously BFG would never do that kill. If you have a clear suspect, then go for it I say. 

 

My non vote vote is on BFG.

 

We wait because *what if* BFG is actually a Doc? It's easy to prove, avoids a mislynch (and preserves the Doc) and sets us up to hunt the other wolf.

 

I don't get your point - the Tracker watches BFG and she has to Doc someone. Simple enough. 

 

1 hour ago, Zanatron said:

 

Is this a joke?!?!?!?!?!

 

 

 

No.

 

 

[TrippedOnReality]

13 minutes ago, Zanatron said:

That's normal for Krak as both alignments thats why I stated he's frustrating to read.

 

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[DPR]

1 minute ago, TrippedOnReality said:

 

Wouldn't tracker have tracked BFG last night though if that's the case?  If it's actually JK9, tracker tracks BFG nowhere or to the dead person, either way, she's not the doc.

 

Hopefully they did and this riddle will be solved, but sine we didn't discuss it, there is no guarantee that they did. 

[TrippedOnReality]

2 minutes ago, DPR said:

 

Hopefully they did and this riddle will be solved, but sine we didn't discuss it, there is no guarantee that they did. 

 

There is no guarantee that the set up even is JK9.  

[TrippedOnReality]

DPR what's your read on Zander right now?

[Zander?]

8 minutes ago, DPR said:

 

We wait because *what if* BFG is actually a Doc? It's easy to prove, avoids a mislynch (and preserves the Doc) and sets us up to hunt the other wolf.

 

I don't get your point - the Tracker watches BFG and she has to Doc someone. Simple enough. 

 

 

No.

 

 

 

If BFG was Scum she could say she self protected and if there was a tracker we'd be no further ahead.

 

Mafia 101.....lynch the Scummiest person.

 

This is basic stuff man...the fact you're suggesting otherwise is alarming because you're a very good player..

 

 

[DPR]

8 minutes ago, TrippedOnReality said:

DPR what's your read on Zander right now?

 

He's flailing. Has been all game. But he does that sometimes as bot alignments without a clear directive.

 

If his votes don't make sense today, or he creates confusion around arguments and gets worked up, he's probably town. 

 

If he's subtle today and kind of nudges things here and there I'll start to worry. 

[DPR]

12 minutes ago, TrippedOnReality said:

 

There is no guarantee that the set up even is JK9.  

 

True, but again, it's worth a shot to save a potential Doc. Especially early on, no?

 

I think we're all confident it's not more that 2 scum, so we have a minute to figure things out. 

[TrippedOnReality]

DPR, if you think it's AJ, who is his teammate?  Who is never his teammate?

[Zander?]

@DPR

 

Have you ever seen me as Scum?!!?

[DPR]

Also, and I alluded to this earlier, if AJ knew about the JK9 setup, it would have been really helpful for him to mention it before the vote.

 

The way he posted "JK9 anyone?" made it look to me like he was familiar with it. 

 

So why hold that info back?

And why change his vote to Krak?

 

Just sayin'.

[DPR]

1 minute ago, Zanatron said:

@DPR

 

Have you ever seen me as Scum?!!?

 

Yep, but it was a while back and I can't remember which game it was. Nyn was in it. 

[TrippedOnReality]

Just now, DPR said:

 

True, but again, it's worth a shot to save a potential Doc. Especially early on, no?

 

I think we're all confident it's not more that 2 scum, so we have a minute to figure things out. 

 

Sure, I'm not saying we shouldn't consider other routes.  I've been kind of waiting to see what BFG has to say on everything.  Her not being around doesn't make me feel great.