The Founding of Quahog (Peter's Progress) Mafia - Game Over

[Tiinker]

If BFG's a wolf then the wagonomics kind of go out the window, because she only voted No Lynch after the Darthe lynch was secured.

 

This is also just such a weird play. I might say that it's potentially her just trying to look like she's contributing somehow but having no lynch on the table that round just provides another good alternative for scum? It doesn't make any sense.

 

 

No, she's my strongest town read, and it's still fairly light. This is a tough game so far.

 

That is really odd to me. Has this changed?

[Clovdyx]

 

Vote Count

 

Shad_ - 1 - Gentled Ben

Turin Turambar - 1 - Tiinker

Tiinker - 1 - Turin Turambar

Darthe - 2 - Sooh, Shad_

No Lynch - 1 - BFG

 

5 to lynch

 

Deadline in 4 minutes

 

 

Not voting: Verbal, Darthe, Clov.

 

Trying to make sense of this lynch is not easy. I feel like it gives us such useless information. I can't even blame Shad for the outcome because a random lynch between 4 targets with one person on each train would be soo bad. I'm wariest of Verb and Clov for not voting and BFG for voting no lynch which imo is a bad play almost always unless you're near end game. The way that whole thing progressed just made it look like scum were just waiting around rather than actually trying to do anything. 

 

 

I feel highly confident saying that would have never happened in that scenario.  

 

I "understand" your concerns about me, but Verb wasn't around for like a day.  I don't think I've seen him playing on weekends in the two and a half years I've been on the site.  I would be a hell of a lot more concerned about him if he had shown up to participate.  Not sure I understand the point about BFG.  What does Mafia!BFG gain by voting no lynch over picking a wagon or just abstaining all together?

[Tiinker]

Vote Count

 

Shad_ - 1 - Gentled Ben

Turin Turambar - 1 - Tiinker

Tiinker - 1 - Turin Turambar

Darthe - 2 - Sooh, Shad_

No Lynch - 1 - BFG

 

5 to lynch

 

Deadline in 4 minutes

 

Zero chance Ben and Shad are scum together imo. If Ben removes his vote from Shad then Shad doesn't have to stick his neck out last minute and vote Darthe in that way. They could've just let it go to random between myself, Turin, and Darthe. It's one or the other.

[Clovdyx]

 

If BFG's a wolf then the wagonomics kind of go out the window, because she only voted No Lynch after the Darthe lynch was secured.

 

This is also just such a weird play. I might say that it's potentially her just trying to look like she's contributing somehow but having no lynch on the table that round just provides another good alternative for scum? It doesn't make any sense.

 

 

No, she's my strongest town read, and it's still fairly light. This is a tough game so far.

 

That is really odd to me. Has this changed?

 

 

Walk me through this thought process.  Because we know one candidate was town (Darthe), can assume another is (Turin), and I'm pretty sure of a third (Shad).  If you're town, literally everyone with a vote was town.  Yes, BFG's vote came after it and she probably didn't have to worry about Shad or Sooh pulling their votes, but I fail to see how putting her vote on no lynch is another good option when it's pretty much a lock that town's getting killed.

 

Really the only way that it gives mafia another good option is if her teammate was at risk.... and uh...

[Tiinker]

 

 

Vote Count

 

Shad_ - 1 - Gentled Ben

Turin Turambar - 1 - Tiinker

Tiinker - 1 - Turin Turambar

Darthe - 2 - Sooh, Shad_

No Lynch - 1 - BFG

 

5 to lynch

 

Deadline in 4 minutes

 

 

Not voting: Verbal, Darthe, Clov.

 

Trying to make sense of this lynch is not easy. I feel like it gives us such useless information. I can't even blame Shad for the outcome because a random lynch between 4 targets with one person on each train would be soo bad. I'm wariest of Verb and Clov for not voting and BFG for voting no lynch which imo is a bad play almost always unless you're near end game. The way that whole thing progressed just made it look like scum were just waiting around rather than actually trying to do anything. 

 

 

I feel highly confident saying that would have never happened in that scenario.  

 

I "understand" your concerns about me, but Verb wasn't around for like a day.  I don't think I've seen him playing on weekends in the two and a half years I've been on the site.  I would be a hell of a lot more concerned about him if he had shown up to participate.  Not sure I understand the point about BFG.  What does Mafia!BFG gain by voting no lynch over picking a wagon or just abstaining all together?

 

 

No lynch is only good for mafia here and she provides it as another option. To top if off she only bothers to vote 10 minutes before deadline? Is that right? It's a way of pretending to contribute.

[Clovdyx]

 

Vote Count

 

Shad_ - 1 - Gentled Ben

Turin Turambar - 1 - Tiinker

Tiinker - 1 - Turin Turambar

Darthe - 2 - Sooh, Shad_

No Lynch - 1 - BFG

 

5 to lynch

 

Deadline in 4 minutes

 

Zero chance Ben and Shad are scum together imo. If Ben removes his vote from Shad then Shad doesn't have to stick his neck out last minute and vote Darthe in that way. They could've just let it go to random between myself, Turin, and Darthe. It's one or the other.

 

 

[Shad_]

Okay, let's start with why townShad would begin that way. Go.

I assume you mean the claiming scum and associated shenanigans?

 

A couple things.

 

One it amuses me. That's a real factor. As scum that's really the only factor, aside from a little meta maintenance I suppose, but I'm cautious about that and try not to draw the sort of attention that can stick with you past the joke phase for it. This is why I suggested people consider the manner in which I was going about it, not just the act itself.

 

As town it has a much broader benefit.  I am a very arrogant player with a bit of an invincibility complex.  I've never been mislynched outside of a turbo, ever.  I have zero fear of sticking my neck out because I am dead convinced that by simply being as honest as ---- later in the game people will read me correctly.  (To be fair, this probably won't ever go away even if I get mislynched 5 games in a row.  lulz)  I routinely behave in intentionally wolfy/shady/awkward/overplayed ways at the start of games all of the time in order to 1) generate discussion and 2) ensure that a lot of that discussion is about me.  I say this so often that it feels cliche, but the most useful information in Mafia for me is the stances that players take on my own slot.  I know I'm a villager, ergo I have already solved half of the engagement.  I can't know whether BFG or Clov are villagers with certainty, to cite an example from this game, so it's harder for me to wrap my head around their interactions.  I think Chris looks better on the whole, but then BFG drops a reasonable point and I start to reverse, and then I start to wonder if it's v/v, and then I go back to thinking if it's v/v they'd have clicked with each other by now, etc.  When it's about me I don't have to worry about that.  I get more clarity out of it.  I can't gauge people's progressions on me if everyone just thinks I'm a villager straight out the gate, so I don't play like a villager straight out the gate.

 

Compare that to the extraordinary level of caution and calculation that you observed from me as scum in our last game and QT.  Everyone had me as a solid villager on D1 precisely because I didn't pull any of this crap and just played as straight as I could.

 

If BFG's a villager, she's probably acting fearful towards me because of M:tG, because that was one of the rare games where I tried to incorporate more of the early weirdness of my town game and play upfront as the driver instead of directing traffic.  I don't do that often, because as a wolf I am very well aware that I won't have the clarity of my town game to back it up later.  I got lynched for extremely bad reasons in that game, but villagers only went back to them in the first place because I could not pump out the sort of material that stops people from tinfoiling on my town game.

[Gentled Ben]

Alright, I feel better about the Darthe vote and thinking it's funny afterwards.

 

@ Ben if you are town you need to start the readjustment now, because I don't intend for us to lose this game over a nearly-intro-phase tunnel. Ask me what you need to ask me and let's walk through it and get your head back on the right track. I don't want to hear a bunch of "I can't trust anything you say because wolves can say anything" crap. That's not really how Mafia works and everyone has a limit to their scum range; that's why players get to be as good as confirmed villagers before there are any flips on the table. See: Sooh. If you have any intention of voting me in this game in the future, talk to me until you don't.

Okay, let's start with why townShad would begin that way. Go.

 

Still not feeling better about this, though.

 

 

I have. I thought this phase had ended with Sooh's flip. Are we still on Night, then?

 

 

No, it's day phase.Turin claimed exactly what Shad said he did, and for exactly the reasons Shad said, I'm not sure there's any benefit to really questioning Turin.  Your question to him made me wonder if you didn't see the claim or if you did and had some reason to believe he was still worth checking out today.

 

Then why didn't he die? He said he would commit suicide at the end of the phase. The phase ended. He's still here, apparently with a D2 pass, and he didn't even post a gif to "earn" it.

 

 

Vote Count

Shad_ - 1 - Gentled Ben
Turin Turambar - 1 - Tiinker
Tiinker - 1 - Turin Turambar
Darthe - 2 - Sooh, Shad_
No Lynch - 1 - BFG

5 to lynch

Deadline in 4 minutes

 

 

Not voting: Verbal, Darthe, Clov.

 

Trying to make sense of this lynch is not easy. I feel like it gives us such useless information. I can't even blame Shad for the outcome because a random lynch between 4 targets with one person on each train would be soo bad.I'm wariest of Verb and Clov for not voting and BFG for voting no lynch which imo is a bad play almost always unless you're near end game. The way that whole thing progressed just made it look like scum were just waiting around rather than actually trying to do anything.

 

Yes, this is a good point.

 

 

If BFG's a wolf then the wagonomics kind of go out the window, because she only voted No Lynch after the Darthe lynch was secured.

 

This is also just such a weird play. I might say that it's potentially her just trying to look like she's contributing somehow but having no lynch on the table that round just provides another good alternative for scum? It doesn't make any sense.

 

 

No, she's my strongest town read, and it's still fairly light. This is a tough game so far.

 

That is really odd to me. Has this changed?

 

IRT bolded: If she was scum, why wouldn't she vote for another town and tie the trains with two town wagons? Surely there was a townie with a vote on them. She could have ensured that a townie died without piling onto Darthe or drawing attention to herself with a no lynch vote. It seems like an odd play to make as scum, especially when I was the only one giving her a town lean at the time. Why do something bold, and strange if you're scum, and all but one player suspect you of being scum? Then, she is right out front for awhile engaging in RT discussions with Chris. 

 

So no, it hasn't really changed, but it is not much of a town lean.

[Shad_]

(I blame the excessive words on a big cup of coffee that I absolutely should have never purchased at 7pm.)

[Clovdyx]

 

 

 

Vote Count

 

Shad_ - 1 - Gentled Ben

Turin Turambar - 1 - Tiinker

Tiinker - 1 - Turin Turambar

Darthe - 2 - Sooh, Shad_

No Lynch - 1 - BFG

 

5 to lynch

 

Deadline in 4 minutes

 

 

Not voting: Verbal, Darthe, Clov.

 

Trying to make sense of this lynch is not easy. I feel like it gives us such useless information. I can't even blame Shad for the outcome because a random lynch between 4 targets with one person on each train would be soo bad. I'm wariest of Verb and Clov for not voting and BFG for voting no lynch which imo is a bad play almost always unless you're near end game. The way that whole thing progressed just made it look like scum were just waiting around rather than actually trying to do anything. 

 

 

I feel highly confident saying that would have never happened in that scenario.  

 

I "understand" your concerns about me, but Verb wasn't around for like a day.  I don't think I've seen him playing on weekends in the two and a half years I've been on the site.  I would be a hell of a lot more concerned about him if he had shown up to participate.  Not sure I understand the point about BFG.  What does Mafia!BFG gain by voting no lynch over picking a wagon or just abstaining all together?

 

 

No lynch is only good for mafia here and she provides it as another option. To top if off she only bothers to vote 10 minutes before deadline? Is that right? It's a way of pretending to contribute.

 

 

I don't understand how no lynching is good unless mafia is at risk, though.  Like...what's the actual argument for it being beneficial?  

[Shad_]

@ Chris did you comment when I made roughly the same point as Tiink a while ago, and if not why?

[Tiinker]

Alright, I feel better about the Darthe vote and thinking it's funny afterwards.

 

@ Ben if you are town you need to start the readjustment now, because I don't intend for us to lose this game over a nearly-intro-phase tunnel. Ask me what you need to ask me and let's walk through it and get your head back on the right track. I don't want to hear a bunch of "I can't trust anything you say because wolves can say anything" crap. That's not really how Mafia works and everyone has a limit to their scum range; that's why players get to be as good as confirmed villagers before there are any flips on the table. See: Sooh. If you have any intention of voting me in this game in the future, talk to me until you don't.

Okay, let's start with why townShad would begin that way. Go.

 

Still not feeling better about this, though.

 

 

I have. I thought this phase had ended with Sooh's flip. Are we still on Night, then?

 

 

No, it's day phase.Turin claimed exactly what Shad said he did, and for exactly the reasons Shad said, I'm not sure there's any benefit to really questioning Turin.  Your question to him made me wonder if you didn't see the claim or if you did and had some reason to believe he was still worth checking out today.

 

Then why didn't he die? He said he would commit suicide at the end of the phase. The phase ended. He's still here, apparently with a D2 pass, and he didn't even post a gif to "earn" it.

 

 

Vote Count

 

Shad_ - 1 - Gentled Ben

Turin Turambar - 1 - Tiinker

Tiinker - 1 - Turin Turambar

Darthe - 2 - Sooh, Shad_

No Lynch - 1 - BFG

 

5 to lynch

 

Deadline in 4 minutes

 

 

Not voting: Verbal, Darthe, Clov.

 

Trying to make sense of this lynch is not easy. I feel like it gives us such useless information. I can't even blame Shad for the outcome because a random lynch between 4 targets with one person on each train would be soo bad.I'm wariest of Verb and Clov for not voting and BFG for voting no lynch which imo is a bad play almost always unless you're near end game. The way that whole thing progressed just made it look like scum were just waiting around rather than actually trying to do anything.

 

Yes, this is a good point.

 

 

If BFG's a wolf then the wagonomics kind of go out the window, because she only voted No Lynch after the Darthe lynch was secured.

 

This is also just such a weird play. I might say that it's potentially her just trying to look like she's contributing somehow but having no lynch on the table that round just provides another good alternative for scum? It doesn't make any sense.

 

 

No, she's my strongest town read, and it's still fairly light. This is a tough game so far.

 

That is really odd to me. Has this changed?

 

IRT bolded: If she was scum, why wouldn't she vote for another town and tie the trains with two town wagons? Surely there was a townie with a vote on them. She could have ensured that a townie died without piling onto Darthe or drawing attention to herself with a no lynch vote. It seems like an odd play to make as scum, especially when I was the only one giving her a town lean at the time. Why do something bold, and strange if you're scum, and all but one player suspect you of being scum? Then, she is right out front for awhile engaging in RT discussions with Chris. 

 

So no, it hasn't really changed, but it is not much of a town lean.

 

Because if she's going to vote for town she'd have to build a case at least and as far as I can remember she wasn't skeptical of myself, Turin or Shad. I think her coming out and voting one of us over the AFK Darthe to tie trains would've looked super weird. 

[Clovdyx]

 

 

I have. I thought this phase had ended with Sooh's flip. Are we still on Night, then?

 

 

No, it's day phase.Turin claimed exactly what Shad said he did, and for exactly the reasons Shad said, I'm not sure there's any benefit to really questioning Turin.  Your question to him made me wonder if you didn't see the claim or if you did and had some reason to believe he was still worth checking out today.

 

Then why didn't he die? He said he would commit suicide at the end of the phase. The phase ended. He's still here, apparently with a D2 pass, and he didn't even post a gif to "earn" it.

 

Because it's not the end of the phase?  Sooh died at the EoN1.  A few minutes into D2, Turin came in and said he will die at the end of the phase.  That means the EoD2, not N1.

[Tiinker]

Above post was in response to the last point.

[Clovdyx]

@ Chris did you comment when I made roughly the same point as Tiink a while ago, and if not why?

 

Which point, and which post of yours?

[Gentled Ben]

 

Okay, let's start with why townShad would begin that way. Go.

I assume you mean the claiming scum and associated shenanigans?

 

A couple things.

 

One it amuses me. That's a real factor. As scum that's really the only factor, aside from a little meta maintenance I suppose, but I'm cautious about that and try not to draw the sort of attention that can stick with you past the joke phase for it. This is why I suggested people consider the manner in which I was going about it, not just the act itself.

 

As town it has a much broader benefit.  I am a very arrogant player with a bit of an invincibility complex.  I've never been mislynched outside of a turbo, ever.  I have zero fear of sticking my neck out because I am dead convinced that by simply being as honest as ---- later in the game people will read me correctly.  (To be fair, this probably won't ever go away even if I get mislynched 5 games in a row.  lulz)  I routinely behave in intentionally wolfy/shady/awkward/overplayed ways at the start of games all of the time in order to 1) generate discussion and 2) ensure that a lot of that discussion is about me.  I say this so often that it feels cliche, but the most useful information in Mafia for me is the stances that players take on my own slot.  I know I'm a villager, ergo I have already solved half of the engagement.  I can't know whether BFG or Clov are villagers with certainty, to cite an example from this game, so it's harder for me to wrap my head around their interactions.  I think Chris looks better on the whole, but then BFG drops a reasonable point and I start to reverse, and then I start to wonder if it's v/v, and then I go back to thinking if it's v/v they'd have clicked with each other by now, etc.  When it's about me I don't have to worry about that.  I get more clarity out of it.  I can't gauge people's progressions on me if everyone just thinks I'm a villager straight out the gate, so I don't play like a villager straight out the gate.

 

Compare that to the extraordinary level of caution and calculation that you observed from me as scum in our last game and QT.  Everyone had me as a solid villager on D1 precisely because I didn't pull any of this crap and just played as straight as I could.

 

If BFG's a villager, she's probably acting fearful towards me because of M:tG, because that was one of the rare games where I tried to incorporate more of the early weirdness of my town game and play upfront as the driver instead of directing traffic.  I don't do that often, because as a wolf I am very well aware that I won't have the clarity of my town game to back it up later.  I got lynched for extremely bad reasons in that game, but villagers only went back to them in the first place because I could not pump out the sort of material that stops people from tinfoiling on my town game.

 

This sounds like nonsense to me. If you did it to gauge Chris and BFG, you should have directed it at them. Your reasoning is simply " I want to be the center of attention." I don't think that's outside your ability as scum, and since we just finished a game as scum, it makes sense to me that you would try to throw me off balance this game and then hope that my off-balanced play would give you something to discredit me going forward. It is too easy to set up the "Look how cautious I was last game" argument. Even I am capable of playing opposite of the last game, as evidenced by my last two scum games, and you are much more nuanced at this than I am right now.

[Shad_]

IRT bolded: If she was scum, why wouldn't she vote for another town and tie the trains with two town wagons? Surely there was a townie with a vote on them. She could have ensured that a townie died without piling onto Darthe or drawing attention to herself with a no lynch vote. It seems like an odd play to make as scum, especially when I was the only one giving her a town lean at the time. Why do something bold, and strange if you're scum, and all but one player suspect you of being scum? Then, she is right out front for awhile engaging in RT discussions with Chris. 

 

So no, it hasn't really changed, but it is not much of a town lean.

tbf tying the trains in that scenario without a strong reason would be extremely weird; a fair bit more weird than voting No Lynch even.  Most wolves would have probably been content to not vote at all.

 

But useless weirdness surrounding votes still potentially indicates nervousness, ergo me not liking it.

[Shad_]

Because if she's going to vote for town she'd have to build a case at least and as far as I can remember she wasn't skeptical of myself, Turin or Shad. I think her coming out and voting one of us over the AFK Darthe to tie trains would've looked super weird.

sick NAI x-post

[Tiinker]

 

 

 

 

Vote Count

 

Shad_ - 1 - Gentled Ben

Turin Turambar - 1 - Tiinker

Tiinker - 1 - Turin Turambar

Darthe - 2 - Sooh, Shad_

No Lynch - 1 - BFG

 

5 to lynch

 

Deadline in 4 minutes

 

 

Not voting: Verbal, Darthe, Clov.

 

Trying to make sense of this lynch is not easy. I feel like it gives us such useless information. I can't even blame Shad for the outcome because a random lynch between 4 targets with one person on each train would be soo bad. I'm wariest of Verb and Clov for not voting and BFG for voting no lynch which imo is a bad play almost always unless you're near end game. The way that whole thing progressed just made it look like scum were just waiting around rather than actually trying to do anything. 

 

 

I feel highly confident saying that would have never happened in that scenario.  

 

I "understand" your concerns about me, but Verb wasn't around for like a day.  I don't think I've seen him playing on weekends in the two and a half years I've been on the site.  I would be a hell of a lot more concerned about him if he had shown up to participate.  Not sure I understand the point about BFG.  What does Mafia!BFG gain by voting no lynch over picking a wagon or just abstaining all together?

 

 

No lynch is only good for mafia here and she provides it as another option. To top if off she only bothers to vote 10 minutes before deadline? Is that right? It's a way of pretending to contribute.

 

 

I don't understand how no lynching is good unless mafia is at risk, though.  Like...what's the actual argument for it being beneficial?  

 

Early in the game you absolutely need lynch information to start piecing things together. The worst time for a no lynch is D1 imo. I know some people don't pay as much attention as me to voting patterns or wagonomics but I strongly believe that after Day 2-3, it is the best way to solve a game and you can't do it if you no lynch on D1.

[Gentled Ben]

 

 

Alright, I feel better about the Darthe vote and thinking it's funny afterwards.

 

@ Ben if you are town you need to start the readjustment now, because I don't intend for us to lose this game over a nearly-intro-phase tunnel. Ask me what you need to ask me and let's walk through it and get your head back on the right track. I don't want to hear a bunch of "I can't trust anything you say because wolves can say anything" crap. That's not really how Mafia works and everyone has a limit to their scum range; that's why players get to be as good as confirmed villagers before there are any flips on the table. See: Sooh. If you have any intention of voting me in this game in the future, talk to me until you don't.

Okay, let's start with why townShad would begin that way. Go.

 

Still not feeling better about this, though.

 

 

I have. I thought this phase had ended with Sooh's flip. Are we still on Night, then?

 

 

No, it's day phase.Turin claimed exactly what Shad said he did, and for exactly the reasons Shad said, I'm not sure there's any benefit to really questioning Turin.  Your question to him made me wonder if you didn't see the claim or if you did and had some reason to believe he was still worth checking out today.

 

Then why didn't he die? He said he would commit suicide at the end of the phase. The phase ended. He's still here, apparently with a D2 pass, and he didn't even post a gif to "earn" it.

 

 

Vote Count

 

Shad_ - 1 - Gentled Ben

Turin Turambar - 1 - Tiinker

Tiinker - 1 - Turin Turambar

Darthe - 2 - Sooh, Shad_

No Lynch - 1 - BFG

 

5 to lynch

 

Deadline in 4 minutes

 

 

Not voting: Verbal, Darthe, Clov.

 

Trying to make sense of this lynch is not easy. I feel like it gives us such useless information. I can't even blame Shad for the outcome because a random lynch between 4 targets with one person on each train would be soo bad.I'm wariest of Verb and Clov for not voting and BFG for voting no lynch which imo is a bad play almost always unless you're near end game. The way that whole thing progressed just made it look like scum were just waiting around rather than actually trying to do anything.

 

Yes, this is a good point.

 

 

If BFG's a wolf then the wagonomics kind of go out the window, because she only voted No Lynch after the Darthe lynch was secured.

 

This is also just such a weird play. I might say that it's potentially her just trying to look like she's contributing somehow but having no lynch on the table that round just provides another good alternative for scum? It doesn't make any sense.

 

 

No, she's my strongest town read, and it's still fairly light. This is a tough game so far.

 

That is really odd to me. Has this changed?

 

IRT bolded: If she was scum, why wouldn't she vote for another town and tie the trains with two town wagons? Surely there was a townie with a vote on them. She could have ensured that a townie died without piling onto Darthe or drawing attention to herself with a no lynch vote. It seems like an odd play to make as scum, especially when I was the only one giving her a town lean at the time. Why do something bold, and strange if you're scum, and all but one player suspect you of being scum? Then, she is right out front for awhile engaging in RT discussions with Chris. 

 

So no, it hasn't really changed, but it is not much of a town lean.

 

 

Because if she's going to vote for town she'd have to build a case at least and as far as I can remember she wasn't skeptical of myself, Turin or Shad. I think her coming out and voting one of us over the AFK Darthe to tie trains would've looked super weird. 

 

Then at the very least, she could have simply not voted, especially after she suggested it, and no one wanted to join her. Why stick out like that as a wolf? Is it really that hard to throw a vote on you, seeing as you hadn't been much more present than Darthe? I don't remember her giving you a town read prior to that. 

[Shad_]

 

@ Chris did you comment when I made roughly the same point as Tiink a while ago, and if not why?

 

Which point, and which post of yours?

 

About not liking BFG's No Lynch vote, and I'll pull it up in a second, want to read/respond to Ben while he's around

[Tiinker]

 

Because if she's going to vote for town she'd have to build a case at least and as far as I can remember she wasn't skeptical of myself, Turin or Shad. I think her coming out and voting one of us over the AFK Darthe to tie trains would've looked super weird.

sick NAI x-post

 

 

What's NAI

[Gentled Ben]

 

 

 

I have. I thought this phase had ended with Sooh's flip. Are we still on Night, then?

 

 

No, it's day phase.Turin claimed exactly what Shad said he did, and for exactly the reasons Shad said, I'm not sure there's any benefit to really questioning Turin.  Your question to him made me wonder if you didn't see the claim or if you did and had some reason to believe he was still worth checking out today.

 

Then why didn't he die? He said he would commit suicide at the end of the phase. The phase ended. He's still here, apparently with a D2 pass, and he didn't even post a gif to "earn" it.

 

Because it's not the end of the phase?  Sooh died at the EoN1.  A few minutes into D2, Turin came in and said he will die at the end of the phase.  That means the EoD2, not N1.

 

Okay

[Clovdyx]

Early in the game you absolutely need lynch information to start piecing things together. The worst time for a no lynch is D1 imo. I know some people don't pay as much attention as me to voting patterns or wagonomics but I strongly believe that after Day 2-3, it is the best way to solve a game and you can't do it if you no lynch on D1.

 

 

I think wagonomics are an incredibly useful tool.  In a game this size, your last point is probably more accurate than, but overall I highly disagree.  And if you know what you're doing, you can actually use voting patterns without every getting a result.

 

But fair enough.  

[Clovdyx]

 

 

@ Chris did you comment when I made roughly the same point as Tiink a while ago, and if not why?

 

Which point, and which post of yours?

 

About not liking BFG's No Lynch vote, and I'll pull it up in a second, want to read/respond to Ben while he's around

 

 

I gave my thought on her vote last night when she was asking me about EoD.  I probably didn't get into a big discussion with you about it because I don't think I was around when you were bringing it up (and I'm not strapped for content to read you on )