Suicide Squad

[Andrej]

 

 

Dice

 

Also

 

Dice

 

much easier on my laptop

 

 

so what colour am i sposed to be lol ??   im assuming im a town lean colour

 

Also @Dice - I don't think that post about Nyn weighing the options of being a Stump really warrants anything

 

i wasnt saying it was something to base a read off  just that its a better thought out reason about being a stump

 

 

Yes, light green lol. DM goofed, I had it right the first time when I did it the hard way.

 

And okay - I just wanted to clarify. What she said is true enough in a hypothetical sort of way, but I agree that it's not really a post that should make someone lean either way.

[Lenlo]

I was perfectly fine with Nyn, but that self vote... confuses me. Why would town do it? Mafia would do it to screw with people, introduce doubt, etc. But she wasnt under near enough suspicion to need that.

[Lenlo]

Also, note, Lenny is showing me around DC tomorrow so im gonna be in and out.

[RandA lThor]

 

 

Also @Dice - I don't think that post about Nyn weighing the options of being a Stump really warrants anything

Then lynch me and lets see how much it warrants

 

[unvote]

 

[V]Nyn [/v]

 

Gross. is that really how you're gonna handle yourself?

 

 

[v]Nyn[/v]

wat

 

 

 

 

Dice

 

Also

 

Dice

 

much easier on my laptop

 

What are you trying to do here by bolding Dice? 

 

DM screwed up the coloring, which sort of killed my point in saying posting from my laptop was better lol

 

I wanted to reiterate the coloring to Dice's read since before I had to search BBC codes on my phone to find a color and then copy/paste

 

Ahh gotcha, makes sense.  Can't you just do 

[color = green] Hiya AJ [/color]

 like so Hiya AJ

 

 

 

 

Dice

Also

 

Dice

 

much easier on my laptop

What are you trying to do here by bolding Dice?

 

Also @Dice - I don't think that post about Nyn weighing the options of being a Stump really warrants anything

Then lynch me and lets see how much it warrants

 

[unvote]

 

[V]Nyn [/v]

... why do people do stuff like this? Nyn, if you're town, this definitely doesn't help town. It'd be much much better to get a scum hit, or at least try to get a scum hit and get the ensuing information than to lynch someone in the hope we get someone that'll be a good fit at stump. Also, stump isn't some great role either. Yeah you have a confirmed town who's opinions you can trust, but that's it. They have no outside knowledge of any sort. Trying to get someone in that role is not worth giving up an entire day of attempting to get scum, and intentionally lowering our numbers.

The only advantage I can see in it is that if she's mislynched on D1, the scum cannot remove her.

 

 

This is

 

A) Extremely selfish if the reason.  If you're town, you shouldn't purposely lead a mislynch on yourself so you can't be removed from the game, unless you have some crucial info the rest of us do not (she can't), because all you're doing is hurting town overall

 

B) Even if a good idea, heavily outweighed by all the losses.  Mafia get closer to a win, we lose a lot of information as everyone would just vote for Nyn which would be a null tell, and it would impact us in the next day.  Basically the only thing that would happen is we'd lose a town and start a new day, which would be akin to BFG taking out a town in the original setup and starting from day 1, which would be too OP for scum, and then say but there'll be one for sure good observer who'll give their reads too.  That's not a good situation at all for town.

 

 

I was perfectly fine with Nyn, but that self vote... confuses me. Why would town do it? Mafia would do it to screw with people, introduce doubt, etc. But she wasnt under near enough suspicion to need that.

 

 

This is what I was trying to think of.  If she's town, was it just a instantaneous reaction that she thought was good at the time but didn't think about it too much?  Or is she mafia that's trying to throw town into more disarray and do the whole I voted for myself, was down for a lynch on myself, how could I possibly be mafia?  Very confusing, and I just got misled last game on a similar train of thought.

[Andrej]

 

 

 

Also @Dice - I don't think that post about Nyn weighing the options of being a Stump really warrants anything

Then lynch me and lets see how much it warrants

 

[unvote]

 

[V]Nyn [/v]

 

Gross. is that really how you're gonna handle yourself?

 

[v]Nyn[/v]

wat

 

wat what?

 

I see zero reason for Nyn, as town, to self-vote herself with virtually no pressure on her. I'd more expect her to protest, to argue with me, but instead she folded and dipped out with the pity play.

 

I'm not buying it.

[Andrej]

Also I was trying to differentiate shades of green. Dark green to light green.

 

color=green is dark. I wanted a lighter shade for Dice, to match Marsh.

[RandA lThor]

 

 

 

 

Also @Dice - I don't think that post about Nyn weighing the options of being a Stump really warrants anything

Then lynch me and lets see how much it warrants

 

[unvote]

 

[V]Nyn [/v]

 

Gross. is that really how you're gonna handle yourself?

 

[v]Nyn[/v]

wat

 

wat what?

 

I see zero reason for Nyn, as town, to self-vote herself with virtually no pressure on her. I'd more expect her to protest, to argue with me, but instead she folded and dipped out with the pity play.

 

I'm not buying it.

 

Oh OK, I misread what you were saying, I thought your first statement was assuming she was town but playing badly, nvm.

 

Also I was trying to differentiate shades of green. Dark green to light green.

 

color=green is dark. I wanted a lighter shade for Dice, to match Marsh.

 

Hmm, let me try 

[color=lightgreen]Does this[/color] [color=light green]work?[/color]

Does this work?

[RandA lThor]

Bada bing bada bang, you've been learned AJ

 

Also, back onto Nyn, I'm waiting to see what her response to all of this is before I vote her, because I literally had the exact same thing last game where someone did something that only scum would do, and I was going hard on him, and I turned out to be wrong.

[Gentled Ben]

 

 

 

Also @Dice - I don't think that post about Nyn weighing the options of being a Stump really warrants anything

Then lynch me and lets see how much it warrants

 

[unvote]

 

[V]Nyn [/v]

Gross. is that really how you're gonna handle yourself?

[v]Nyn[/v]

wat

 

 

 

Dice

Also

 

Dice

 

much easier on my laptop

What are you trying to do here by bolding Dice?

DM screwed up the coloring, which sort of killed my point in saying posting from my laptop was better lol

 

I wanted to reiterate the coloring to Dice's read since before I had to search BBC codes on my phone to find a color and then copy/paste

Ahh gotcha, makes sense. Can't you just do

[color = green] Hiya AJ [/color]

like so Hiya AJ

 

 

 

Dice

Also

 

Dice

 

much easier on my laptop

What are you trying to do here by bolding Dice?

 

Also @Dice - I don't think that post about Nyn weighing the options of being a Stump really warrants anything

Then lynch me and lets see how much it warrants

 

[unvote]

 

[V]Nyn [/v]

... why do people do stuff like this? Nyn, if you're town, this definitely doesn't help town. It'd be much much better to get a scum hit, or at least try to get a scum hit and get the ensuing information than to lynch someone in the hope we get someone that'll be a good fit at stump. Also, stump isn't some great role either. Yeah you have a confirmed town who's opinions you can trust, but that's it. They have no outside knowledge of any sort. Trying to get someone in that role is not worth giving up an entire day of attempting to get scum, and intentionally lowering our numbers.

The only advantage I can see in it is that if she's mislynched on D1, the scum cannot remove her.

This is

 

A) Extremely selfish if the reason. If you're town, you shouldn't purposely lead a mislynch on yourself so you can't be removed from the game, unless you have some crucial info the rest of us do not (she can't), because all you're doing is hurting town overall

 

B) Even if a good idea, heavily outweighed by all the losses. Mafia get closer to a win, we lose a lot of information as everyone would just vote for Nyn which would be a null tell, and it would impact us in the next day. Basically the only thing that would happen is we'd lose a town and start a new day, which would be akin to BFG taking out a town in the original setup and starting from day 1, which would be too OP for scum, and then say but there'll be one for sure good observer who'll give their reads too. That's not a good situation at all for town.

 

I was perfectly fine with Nyn, but that self vote... confuses me. Why would town do it? Mafia would do it to screw with people, introduce doubt, etc. But she wasnt under near enough suspicion to need that.

 

This is what I was trying to think of. If she's town, was it just a instantaneous reaction that she thought was good at the time but didn't think about it too much? Or is she mafia that's trying to throw town into more disarray and do the whole I voted for myself, was down for a lynch on myself, how could I possibly be mafia? Very confusing, and I just got misled last game on a similar train of thought.

I saw DPR make a false claim that forced scum to NK him because he was dividing the town with arguments and heading for a mislynch, and it was the towniest thing he could do in that instance, so I can see how someone might want to take themselves out to help the town, but none of those reasons really exist in this instance, and she sounded petulant when she did it, so I think it's an act.

 

Maybe she wants to see what kind of conversation is geneeated from it, or who else might vote for her and why. There is plenty of time left before EoD for her to invite, and the chances of getting hammered in the meantime are slim.

 

Stil, I am getting tired of this type of play style. We had it last game too, with that stupid claim and counterclaim. This seems similar to me.

[Andrej]

The only advantage I can see in it is that if she's mislynched on D1, the scum cannot remove her.

 

Scum can't remove anyone directly except for one player.

 

Mislynches are the other option, which more often than not are driven by townies with the help of scum to throw more weight on the wagon.

[Gentled Ben]

Unvote, not invite. On my phone, and autocorrect is my bane. It changes things like unvote while leaving things like "geneeated."

[Andrej]

@ Rand - no, in fact I think I've been pretty clear about not calling her town while most of the other players have. I've been sort of mulling over the idea of her being scum since this morning, and her reaction to me now with little to no pressure sort of seals that deal. Town Nyn is fiery and fights back, she buckled and dipped out. Idc if this setup 'allows' for a mislynch, that's just a point in her favor to make that sort of play. Scum could always shoot before the DL and end D1 early without anyone being lynched, so the Stump role isn't even a guarantee.

[Gentled Ben]

 

The only advantage I can see in it is that if she's mislynched on D1, the scum cannot remove her.

Scum can't remove anyone directly except for one player.

 

Mislynches are the other option, which more often than not are driven by townies with the help of scum to throw more weight on the wagon.

Yes, and by being a D1 mislynch, she can scumhunt without being killed. It is not much of an advantage because we don't have much of a numbers advantage to begin with, but I can see how someone might see it as a viable option.

 

Anyway, I think she's just stirring things up with this. I don't think she intends to be lynched,

[Andrej]

My immediate reaction was more surprised, because I expected more of a fight - or the beginnings of a fight - compared to her just saying lynch me. I haven't seen Town!Nyn ever back down before, especially now this early in the game.

[Gentled Ben]

The only other reason to do it would be for svum to deny the town a stump, but that would be stupid with only 1 kill the whole game. Well, desperate anyway, but maybe not stupid.

[Andrej]

Yes, and by being a D1 mislynch, she can scumhunt without being killed. It is not much of an advantage because we don't have much of a numbers advantage to begin with, but I can see how someone might see it as a viable option.

Anyway, I think she's just stirring things up with this. I don't think she intends to be lynched,

 

You're right. I think she intends on players thinking 'she self voted in a game that allows a stump D1 if town is lynched? she MUST be town then." therefore she isn't lynched. Therefore she survives. Therefore she can continue looking busy all the while pushing weak stuff and spreading her focus around in an attempt to play up to her meta.

[Gentled Ben]

My immediate reaction was more surprised, because I expected more of a fight - or the beginnings of a fight - compared to her just saying lynch me. I haven't seen Town!Nyn ever back down before, especially now this early in the game.

Right. It seems out of character, but the rest of her game looks like her normal town thing, so like Rand, I'm also going to hold off until I hear from her.

[Andrej]

Whatever the finish for D1 is, I'm leaving my vote on Nyn. That's not within her town range this early in the game - I'm calling that bluff.

[Gentled Ben]

In all fairness though, I *have* seen her get upset and Lynch herself. I don't think there has been enough provocation in this game for that, though.

[Gentled Ben]

Whatever the finish for D1 is, I'm leaving my vote on Nyn. That's not within her town range this early in the game - I'm calling that bluff.

Do what seems best, but if you're town, please don't tunnel. Look at everybody.

[Andrej]

In all fairness though, I *have* seen her get upset and Lynch herself. I don't think there has been enough provocation in this game for that, though.

 

Exactly. That situation was in Lylo after a frustrating game full of mislynches - no?

[Andrej]

 

Whatever the finish for D1 is, I'm leaving my vote on Nyn. That's not within her town range this early in the game - I'm calling that bluff.

Do what seems best, but if you're town, please don't tunnel. Look at everybody.

 

I have an idea on others. I was already beginning to grow suspicious of her but I wanted to let this develop more so I could continue watching and evaluating. I didn't like how she came at you this morning for what was clearly a joke imo. I didn't like how quickly she transitioned from you to SK for what, again, I thought were poor reasonings. Especially after how you more or less proved her wrong with how she was trying to use D1 meta of SK against him. The vote was too easy and apparently incorrect, plus she was trying to link you and him. I just feel as a whole her focus has been sort of scattered, not necessarily random, but spread out in way that makes her look busy but not really in a positive manner. She knows she has to appear to scum hunt to fit her town meta, and some people bought it. I wasn't so convinced.

[Andrej]

I wrote this down earlier, actually.

 

And forever shame me post-game if I am ridiculously wrong:

 

Yolo scum team picks - some combo of Nyn/Darthe/Rand/SK

[RandA lThor]

 

 

 

 

Also @Dice - I don't think that post about Nyn weighing the options of being a Stump really warrants anything

Then lynch me and lets see how much it warrants

 

[unvote]

 

[V]Nyn [/v]

Gross. is that really how you're gonna handle yourself?

[v]Nyn[/v]

wat

 

 

 

Dice

Also

 

Dice

 

much easier on my laptop

What are you trying to do here by bolding Dice?

DM screwed up the coloring, which sort of killed my point in saying posting from my laptop was better lol

 

I wanted to reiterate the coloring to Dice's read since before I had to search BBC codes on my phone to find a color and then copy/paste

Ahh gotcha, makes sense. Can't you just do

[color = green] Hiya AJ [/color]

like so Hiya AJ

 

 

 

Dice

Also

 

Dice

 

much easier on my laptop

What are you trying to do here by bolding Dice?

 

Also @Dice - I don't think that post about Nyn weighing the options of being a Stump really warrants anything

Then lynch me and lets see how much it warrants

 

[unvote]

 

[V]Nyn [/v]

... why do people do stuff like this? Nyn, if you're town, this definitely doesn't help town. It'd be much much better to get a scum hit, or at least try to get a scum hit and get the ensuing information than to lynch someone in the hope we get someone that'll be a good fit at stump. Also, stump isn't some great role either. Yeah you have a confirmed town who's opinions you can trust, but that's it. They have no outside knowledge of any sort. Trying to get someone in that role is not worth giving up an entire day of attempting to get scum, and intentionally lowering our numbers.

The only advantage I can see in it is that if she's mislynched on D1, the scum cannot remove her.

This is

 

A) Extremely selfish if the reason. If you're town, you shouldn't purposely lead a mislynch on yourself so you can't be removed from the game, unless you have some crucial info the rest of us do not (she can't), because all you're doing is hurting town overall

 

B) Even if a good idea, heavily outweighed by all the losses. Mafia get closer to a win, we lose a lot of information as everyone would just vote for Nyn which would be a null tell, and it would impact us in the next day. Basically the only thing that would happen is we'd lose a town and start a new day, which would be akin to BFG taking out a town in the original setup and starting from day 1, which would be too OP for scum, and then say but there'll be one for sure good observer who'll give their reads too. That's not a good situation at all for town.

 

I was perfectly fine with Nyn, but that self vote... confuses me. Why would town do it? Mafia would do it to screw with people, introduce doubt, etc. But she wasnt under near enough suspicion to need that.

 

This is what I was trying to think of. If she's town, was it just a instantaneous reaction that she thought was good at the time but didn't think about it too much? Or is she mafia that's trying to throw town into more disarray and do the whole I voted for myself, was down for a lynch on myself, how could I possibly be mafia? Very confusing, and I just got misled last game on a similar train of thought.

I saw DPR make a false claim that forced scum to NK him because he was dividing the town with arguments and heading for a mislynch, and it was the towniest thing he could do in that instance, so I can see how someone might want to take themselves out to help the town, but none of those reasons really exist in this instance, and she sounded petulant when she did it, so I think it's an act.

 

Maybe she wants to see what kind of conversation is geneeated from it, or who else might vote for her and why. There is plenty of time left before EoD for her to invite, and the chances of getting hammered in the meantime are slim.

 

Stil, I am getting tired of this type of play style. We had it last game too, with that stupid claim and counterclaim. This seems similar to me.

 

I can see the conversation argument, but not really anything else.  This isn't like DPR's claim at all, this doesn't help town.

 

 

 

The only advantage I can see in it is that if she's mislynched on D1, the scum cannot remove her.

Scum can't remove anyone directly except for one player.

 

Mislynches are the other option, which more often than not are driven by townies with the help of scum to throw more weight on the wagon.

Yes, and by being a D1 mislynch, she can scumhunt without being killed. It is not much of an advantage because we don't have much of a numbers advantage to begin with, but I can see how someone might see it as a viable option.

 

Anyway, I think she's just stirring things up with this. I don't think she intends to be lynched,

 

I cannot at all see how someone could see it as a viable option if they actually thought about it.  That's not as valuable as having an extra town person, even if they're not guaranteed, because they still have the ability to vote and count towards the majority of town.

 

In all fairness though, I *have* seen her get upset and Lynch herself. I don't think there has been enough provocation in this game for that, though.

Yup this too, I don't think this is a similar situation though.

 

 

In all fairness though, I *have* seen her get upset and Lynch herself. I don't think there has been enough provocation in this game for that, though.

 

Exactly. That situation was in Lylo after a frustrating game full of mislynches - no?

 

 

It was more because of some personal stuff that had happened, but I don't see that happening in this game though, so I think that specific meta doesn't apply here.

[RandA lThor]

I wrote this down earlier, actually.

 

And forever shame me post-game if I am ridiculously wrong:

 

Yolo scum team picks - some combo of Nyn/Darthe/Rand/SK

Porque? 

 

Also, SK hasn't done much at all, is your reasoning for him just that he hasn't posted much?  And I could see Darthe via my reasoning, but whats yours?