Sailor Moon Mafia [Advanced] Game Thread

[Zander?]

Don't know, I say Bop is on the right track  Lynch me first, then deal with Cuth/Eld/DJSooh/Zander in any order, if that doesn't win the game, Wolves deserve the win.

 

You don think we have a Doc then?

[Fredwood]

 

I'm not lynching anyone until I hear for some more people regarding the lack of a flip. Also, I have to go get ready for psychical therapy and then have a meeting with school so probably won't be around to discuss anything for ~2 hours or so.  

 

 

Happy Birthday! Hope you have a good one.

 

So I'm part of DJ/Sooh, right? Saw that and just wanted to confirm that was me.

 

I'm trying to examine posts, and hope to take a stab at things after work.

 

Ill see how claims what, refer back to older posts and try to see if anything has shifted to make me suspicious of anyone on particular. Seems like a game plan.

 

 

Need you to start sharing some game content now my dear please?!!?!?!?!

 

 

Yes you are now master of dance beats, the great DJ Sooh

 

 

lolololololololol

 

 

 

Unvote

 

Not yet. Too many people on this train already and I want to hear from Fred before he gets hammered into the grave.

 

That and I really want to lynch Eldrick, but I'm worried I'm in the same headspace as last game. His actions just don't line up for me at all.

 

Honestly not lynching me at this point is a mistake, because you'll never have a better chance to eliminate the mislynch.  Town is really far ahead this game, and it looks like there's a deep wolf via voting or mechanically.   It's why I was sold on Cuth, because I could understand him being wolf more then others.  If you guys for whatever decide to keep my around, there's always going to be the question and will stop people from going full on analysis mode because there's always the more logical option.

 

Personally the holster is an interesting idea which I guess I could fit in the context, but I can't expect someone to examine it as a legit possibility if I'm alive. I've killed or voted for no scum and haven't saved or killed anyone.  I'm just the best town play and won't be upset by the lynch, at this point you'd be doing me a favor by doing it.

 

 

 

You dont get more Towny points each time you repeat this....lolololol

 

I'm not trying to get townie points. I'm town. 

 

Also, using the same gif that was used on you for being belligerent and annoying? I guess my expectations were too high.

[Zander?]

I said in any order, I don't know which order is the best tbh.   It would require to get more into analysis then I have energy for.  I think Zander and Sooh/DJ are the least Mechanically cleared, and Eldrick and Cuth are the least day phase tone cleared....So it really comes down to which do you put more value in.

 

The fact that you and bop have killed two scum I'd say you're as lock as Clov/Cory at this point.

 

this post is confusing me....

 

And seriously no order NONE of the remaining players man!??!?

 

Explain the Bold to me

 

Red- Who are you referring to here?

 

 

 

One thing that really stood out to me re-reading his first post about me was he used so many negative words in association with me.

 

 

He said I was "attacking" and "pushing" Darthe, yet my read was an undercut. When I said he was being manipulative, I think it's because of how inconsistent this truly is.

How can I be undercutting my read yet be pushing/attacking that person? This pinged me so hard then and it pings me hard right now.

 

He also started to back peddle when I questioned him. He was willing to talk big, but then suddenly he wasn't sure about it. It feels like he was trying to push for a potential lynch on me (and I say on me, because he said a flip on Darthe/Zander/Sooh could clear me lol, which would make sense to just lynch me instead of the other three)

 

He lock cleared and said he wasn't going to lynch Eldrick or Sooh this game with Cory/Chris following closely behind.

 

His nulls were Cuth, Coward, Iron and Darthe.

 

Leaving Zander, Bop&I and Scruffy in his lower list.

 

He eventually says that I was null with positives and negatives.

 

 

 

After the whole back and forward with him and I, his content then falls off completely.

 

 

Another thing that pinged me is after Scruff flips V, he's hardcore blaming Cuth for this. Like he wasn't voting on Scruffy and like he didn't have power to change his vote onto FC. I never noticed this until my read through, because I was reading Cuth pretty scummy at that point (though Iron 10x worse). 

 

Then there was a moment when he was talking with Zander, the bit where the wolfs were probably on Scruff train and Fred mentions "There is always Eldrick", Zander takes him seriously and Fred says "I was only feeding you paranoia"

 

After that point I had a hard time reading anything else Fred has posted because it's mostly him wanting to be lynched and I absolutely hate that. Basically he hasn't been trying anymore and hasn't analysed any posts like he did at the start (even then it was only really about Zander and Bop&my arguments).

 

Do I read Fred as wolfy?

 

I do. 

 

And I see an Eldrick/Fred world, honestly. If there are 2 scum left, I think it's them.

 

Me likey!!!!!

 

lolololololol

 

 

I don't think the content falls off after that, because I posted multiple walls.

 

I didn't blame Cuth at all for the scruff flip...in fact I don't think I've mentioned Cuth in regards to the Scruff flip.  My whole case on Cuth is based on his Scoobs town read and that he made a decision to save Scoobs, when i didn't see a reason to read Scoobs town.  Also, he voted in line with Scoobs when Scoobs tried to make that push on Eldrick.  To me those were more damning then landing on Scruff.  I don't have a problem with the POE lynch, but lynching me for stuff that's misrepresenting my play is going to irk me.

 

I need to be lynched because I haven't done anything to warrant not being lynched at this point where everyone else has. Don't twist my intentions and my meaning when I'm giving the free pass, but I guess if you want to see dirt where there is no dirt to justify a good lynch then do it, just don't present it like a case because it's just going to get me annoyed.  I'm not emotionally invested in the game, and you're not going to get max effort from me and I already said this, it has nothing to do with the game it's just where I'm at right now.

 

Im getting confused with the names that arnt the names of the players playing here.

 

But was Scoobs FC and if so, basically saying he's Scum because a Villager can never be wrong!??!?

 

If im wrong on that because of name mix up my b.

[Cory Caboose]

If I'm wrong about Eldrick I know dead villagers & dead thread are probably laughing at me

 

And honestly

 

It makes me want to do it even more

[Fredwood]

If I'm wrong about Eldrick I know dead villagers & dead thread are probably laughing at me

 

And honestly

 

It makes me want to do it even more

Good thing there's only one dead villager that joined it.

[Zander?]

I'm still very, very sure on Zander

 

His post-d1 content cemented the read more than made me think twice about it

 

Its like you can see into my Soul boo!!!!

 

<3 <3 <3 <3 <3

 

 

I guess I understand that, but in your shoes I lynch me 9 times out of 10, the one time being if I have a really strong feeling about someone.

 

My feeling is, that no one has a strong feeling about anyone after me in the POE.  I can sympathize because I don't either.

 

Cuth claimed the doctor, to ignore that means you have to consider either him making a sub opitmal play to claim doctor.  Well that would require him knowing that there wasn't a doctor, which I don't see how he could have.  I mean it's a bold move and a all or nothing type of play, and this is certainly the time to do it, so it gets all fuzzy.  At the very least it should buy him a day.

 

Eldrick:  Scoobs in my eyes all but Spewed and voted him clear as mafia. Yes he hasn't been on the wagons at eod but he also claimed the vig shot first (thought the Spades top gun high five gif directed towards bop  felt like a vig claim at the time).  Either way he's the first to actually say he did it.  In a world where Scoobs/Iron/ and Eldrick, do I think it could have been a pre agreed upon strategy to have Scoobs push hard on Eldrick and then use the vig to build cred...Yes, but I have no meta read to back up on whether or not Eldrick does that.  If everyone agreed this was the best move to get a wolf deep, and I had the vig shot, I'd take it. It's a good play.

 

Sooh/DJ: The Sailor Venus stutter looks great to me, the Eldrick vote looks awful, also, lynching someone on the first day after they sub in mid game is kind of something I try to avoid out of courtesy.  

 

Zander:  To me his strongest plus is your emphatic town read on him.  So I wouldn't vote there until you would.

 

So if you can turn one of those 4 into an absolute lock over me, go ahead, because I honestly can't look at all four of them and give you with any confidence who it would be.  My gut still says Cuth, just because he's been my strongest read since day 2, but the doc claim has to at least count for something imo. 

 

Did anybody like this post and if so why?!!?!?!?

[Clovdyx]

If I'm wrong about Eldrick I know dead villagers & dead thread are probably laughing at me

 

And honestly

 

It makes me want to do it even more

What dead villagers

[Cory Caboose]

Darthe

[Cory Caboose]

Does he count as a villager and/or person?

[Cory Caboose]

guys stop destroying my delusions of grandeur. my therapist says i need to practice self-love. help me help you help me.

[Clovdyx]

Darthe

Unless Scruff is hanging, we have dead villager.

[Zander?]

 

This is how I took this post.

 

Scruff flipped villager and immediately you're on Cuth for clearing FC for meta, which the meta bs is why I voted FC in the first place. If you saw that, why didn't you change to FC? You mentioned FC was your other D1 pick, but never really read into him, which is why I just read this as being scumtastic.

I think it was very obvious I wanted the tie, in fact I brought up that a tie was the best move at the time.  In fact if you check it was all kind of at the same time where CLov suggested MrsClov or Sooh switch (they were "confirmed" town atp) to switch to even lynches.  MrsCLov did, and Sooh made a "mistake" which required Bop to vote FC because.. So that tells you Clov, Bop and me all thought the tie was the right town move at that point, then that should be the answer to your own question.

 

Also I still had no reason to wolf read FC day one, I thought his participation warranted a second day over Scruffs.  I didn't think Scruff deserved a day 2 because he had no interest in participating further. The way the lynch played out was perfect for town.  

 

 

This whole "Clov says what I wanted to say 1st" is pinging me, it's like youre using him as a shield and since youre not Cory, Linz or me I dislike it.

 

 

 

I'm only back for a couple of minutes but if we lynch Fred and he flips town, what do we really gain from that? We're still at a point where we we've probably cleared too many people too easily on day 1 and chasing our tails. 

 

You, me, Cordyx 100% Town.

 

Min 1 of SBop/Cuth/Eld is Clear

 

Bold- Couldnt we really say that about anybody who flipped Town?

[Cory Caboose]

Scruff was just thread shy. I bet he has 4000 posts in DT.

[Clovdyx]

I like that post, Zander. If I wasn't me, amd I was in his shoes, I would guess I'd be exactly where that's coming from.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

This is how I took this post.

 

Scruff flipped villager and immediately you're on Cuth for clearing FC for meta, which the meta bs is why I voted FC in the first place. If you saw that, why didn't you change to FC? You mentioned FC was your other D1 pick, but never really read into him, which is why I just read this as being scumtastic.

I think it was very obvious I wanted the tie, in fact I brought up that a tie was the best move at the time. In fact if you check it was all kind of at the same time where CLov suggested MrsClov or Sooh switch (they were "confirmed" town atp) to switch to even lynches. MrsCLov did, and Sooh made a "mistake" which required Bop to vote FC because.. So that tells you Clov, Bop and me all thought the tie was the right town move at that point, then that should be the answer to your own question.

 

Also I still had no reason to wolf read FC day one, I thought his participation warranted a second day over Scruffs. I didn't think Scruff deserved a day 2 because he had no interest in participating further. The way the lynch played out was perfect for town.

This whole "Clov says what I wanted to say 1st" is pinging me, it's like youre using him as a shield and since youre not Cory, Linz or me I dislike it.

 

 

I'm only back for a couple of minutes but if we lynch Fred and he flips town, what do we really gain from that? We're still at a point where we we've probably cleared too many people too easily on day 1 and chasing our tails.

You, me, Cordyx 100% Town.

 

Min 1 of SBop/Cuth/Eld is Clear

 

Bold- Couldnt we really say that about anybody who flipped Town?

Wasn't to me, but flipping a town Eldrick or Cuth tells us more about the setup.

[Fredwood]

I like that post, Zander. If I wasn't me, amd I was in his shoes, I would guess I'd be exactly where that's coming from.

 

Please don't interrupt Zander's Confirmation Bias festival of 2017 please.

[Cory Caboose]

 

I like that post, Zander. If I wasn't me, amd I was in his shoes, I would guess I'd be exactly where that's coming from.

Please don't interrupt Zander's Confirmation Bias festival of 2017 please.

Lolu if you think they're only annual

[Zander?]

I know it's borderline nonsense in terms of equity for the mafia to have done what I think they did*, and I'm gonna look pretty dumb if I'm wrong (and I'm okay with that, never been afraid to be wrong in mafia)

 

But I think I might be right about the Eldrick vig theory lol

 

* a reminder that desperate wolves make sometimes very strange low equity decisions, and I would wager a wolfteam with FC & Iron on it would be feeling the heat pretty strong n1

 

 

Why can't he just be SK?!!?!?!?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This is how I took this post.

 

Scruff flipped villager and immediately you're on Cuth for clearing FC for meta, which the meta bs is why I voted FC in the first place. If you saw that, why didn't you change to FC? You mentioned FC was your other D1 pick, but never really read into him, which is why I just read this as being scumtastic.

I think it was very obvious I wanted the tie, in fact I brought up that a tie was the best move at the time.  In fact if you check it was all kind of at the same time where CLov suggested MrsClov or Sooh switch (they were "confirmed" town atp) to switch to even lynches.  MrsCLov did, and Sooh made a "mistake" which required Bop to vote FC because.. So that tells you Clov, Bop and me all thought the tie was the right town move at that point, then that should be the answer to your own question.

 

Also I still had no reason to wolf read FC day one, I thought his participation warranted a second day over Scruffs.  I didn't think Scruff deserved a day 2 because he had no interest in participating further. The way the lynch played out was perfect for town.  

 

The tie was so we wouldn't hit maj before EoD talk/moves. At least that was Bop and my thoughts. I'm willing to bet that was also Corys thoughts as well.

Not to have a tie vote at the every end. We wanted a FC kill, but that didn't happen.

 

 

No that is not why we wanted the tie. You should go and reread that just to learn why it makes sense from a game theory standpoint.

 

EOD1.  How many question marks are there? And how many question marks were there off the two best lynches (Scoobs/Scruff)  In fact there was an alt wagon on eld at 4 (Scruff, Scoobs, Cuth and Sooh), The answer there was 5 votes still in play not on optimal trains.  Sooh jumps to scruff, which makes it 6/4 with 4 votes in play with 2 likely to move. 

 

If we leave it there Cuth and Scoobs don't need to move and Scoobs is saved.   We get Clov to switch scoob and Sooh misreads and switches as well.  Bop switches to Scruff to force Scoobs and Cuth to make a decision, they both decide to vote Scruff, Bop switches back to tie it up at end to not let question marks decide the vote.  

 

So, look at this as you have 4 question marks, you don't want question marks or scum reads to determine vote, and you definitely don't want them building a 3rd wagon.  By tying it, we forced Scoobs and Cuth to make active votes to actually play a part in the lynch.  This whole interaction is why I immediately put you and Bop in lock clear town slot.

 

So no, it had nothing to do with hammer, it was about forcing question marks to help better solve the game.

 

 

 

Are you trying to say you did this to force questions marks to help solve the game there,,,,,?!?!?!?!

 

 

For reference, here's a game where Scoobs was a wolf:

 

http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/2247-Zelda-2-0

 

he was a wolf with Bimps, lute & McGinty

 

his biggest d1 contribution was a large case against lute

 

He slotted all of his wolf reads in his scum list

 

This is a pretty consistent pattern in his wolfgame

 

 

Ok so puts his Wolfbros in his Scum/PoE, can you link me his reads list this game please?!?!!?

 

 

[V] Eldrick[/v]

 

I dont hate it tbqh.

[Cory Caboose]

I'm on mobile. I think it was 6-10 hours from day 1 eod. Fred & eldrick were his wolf reads and he pushed eldrick mostly

[Cory Caboose]

More likely 3 wolves than SK im pretty sure

[Cory Caboose]

I mean shrug he could be SK

 

But i would guess mafia

 

Either flip is fine XD

[Clovdyx]

 

I like that post, Zander. If I wasn't me, amd I was in his shoes, I would guess I'd be exactly where that's coming from.

 

Please don't interrupt Zander's Confirmation Bias festival of 2017 please.

 

 

Zander is my minion of darkness.  This is not the time for darkness.  I have to reel him in for when I next need him.

[Cory Caboose]

Also it's Clov's turn to walk him

[Cory Caboose]

Please don't interrupt Zander's Confirmation Bias festival of 2017 please.

 

behind the scenes rejected joke responses

 

"we call it mardi grololololol"

 

"it's really more of a carnival"

 

"entry fee: all of your patience"

[Cory Caboose]

i am tell joke

 

jk z ily ily ily