Sailor Moon Mafia [Advanced] Game Thread

[Clovdyx]

Can somebody explain to me why we spent three pages debating the meaningless component of the votes? Like, not trying to be a jerk about it, but bop essentially "hammered" scum and then later claimed to have shot him...after the kill was already claimed. I'm 100% certain that bop didn't shoot his teammate, so in order to be mafia, he had to see vig!eldrick claim, counter claim, dpuble down on it to me, and then NOT use it as an opportunity to get eldrick lynched.

[Clovdyx]

And this is probably meaningless as well, but there's basically no universe #CorDyx doesn't self protect n1 as a 1x doc. Deal with it, IC

[Clovdyx]

And this is probably meaningless as well, but there's basically no universe #CorDyx doesn't self protect n1 as a 1x doc. Deal with it, IC

[Fredwood]

Can somebody explain to me why we spent three pages debating the meaningless component of the votes? Like, not trying to be a jerk about it, but bop essentially "hammered" scum and then later claimed to have shot him...after the kill was already claimed. I'm 100% certain that bop didn't shoot his teammate, so in order to be mafia, he had to see vig!eldrick claim, counter claim, dpuble down on it to me, and then NOT use it as an opportunity to get eldrick lynched.

 

Um, I've said he was lock cleared because of it, the rest of it came from Spades misunderstanding me I think, so I haven't used any of the last few pages to try and shade Bop. We got into an argument about what you already said.

[MrsClov]

And this is probably meaningless as well, but there's basically no universe #CorDyx doesn't self protect n1 as a 1x doc. Deal with it, IC

I never said you wouldn't? The only thing I brought up about it was saying I see why Cuth didn't use his 1x protect. I never said anything about the two of you being the doctor.

[bopolis]

ok frands, 

 

i've been lying down napping and thinking and i think i got this figured out.

 

gonna poo and collect thoughts and then drop a medium sized word bomb/brain dump

[Clovdyx]

 

And this is probably meaningless as well, but there's basically no universe #CorDyx doesn't self protect n1 as a 1x doc. Deal with it, IC

I never said you wouldn't? The only thing I brought up about it was saying I see why Cuth didn't use his 1x protect. I never said anything about the two of you being the doctor.

Someone (Fred, i think) asked who we would have killed and protected. Cory suggested we would probably self doc. I'm saying it's basically a sure thing.

[MrsClov]

 

 

And this is probably meaningless as well, but there's basically no universe #CorDyx doesn't self protect n1 as a 1x doc. Deal with it, IC

I never said you wouldn't? The only thing I brought up about it was saying I see why Cuth didn't use his 1x protect. I never said anything about the two of you being the doctor.

Someone (Fred, i think) asked who we would have killed and protected. Cory suggested we would probably self doc. I'm saying it's basically a sure thing.

 

Oh. I thought you were trying to say I said that. I know you'd always self protect there. You'd self protect just because it's Tuesday.

[Fredwood]

 

And this is probably meaningless as well, but there's basically no universe #CorDyx doesn't self protect n1 as a 1x doc. Deal with it, IC

I never said you wouldn't? The only thing I brought up about it was saying I see why Cuth didn't use his 1x protect. I never said anything about the two of you being the doctor.

 

 

He might be referring to me when I was talking to Cory. About Eldrick shooting teammate or Cuth holstering?  Was more of a question.

 

My point being there might as well be 3 innocent children in this game.

[Clovdyx]

 

 

 

And this is probably meaningless as well, but there's basically no universe #CorDyx doesn't self protect n1 as a 1x doc. Deal with it, IC

I never said you wouldn't? The only thing I brought up about it was saying I see why Cuth didn't use his 1x protect. I never said anything about the two of you being the doctor.

Someone (Fred, i think) asked who we would have killed and protected. Cory suggested we would probably self doc. I'm saying it's basically a sure thing.

Oh. I thought you were trying to say I said that. I know you'd always self protect there. You'd self protect just because it's Tuesday.

I wouldn't swlf protect if someone i think is better than me were playing.

 

 

Huehuehuehue

[Cory Caboose]

There was once a game where Clov was bodyguard and I was a wolf and killed him, and then was able to convince a bunch of villagers he died bodyguarding me

 

Despite knowing Clov would never use a bodyguard NA pretty much ever

 

Was great

[bopolis]

lets talk about the gamestate. I think there is 1 wolf or 1 wolf+ 1SK; and not 2 wolves. 

 

second lets look at the PoE; i don't thnk anyone can argue that it is three of eldric/fred/DJSooh/cuth. If there are two wolves, I don't think eldrick is ever a wolf. Here is why, I don't think he finds himself in a dire enough straight where he needs to gank a wolf night 1 with all 4 alive still. So it would be two of fred/DJ/cuth and in the worlds where it is DJ/cuth i don't think they need to holster a shot so that leaves a world of two being DJ/fred or maybe cuth /fred.  

 

Now I want to look at the PoE individually. What is their path to victory. If there is 1 wolf left they need 3 mislynches and if there are 2 they need 2. 

 

Fred- Is not playing to live more than one lynch and has resigned himself to death. Is it antispew? maybe if there is a second wolf, but even then i think he's only with DJSooh so i'm not concerned. In the world with him as the last wolf, he needs to widen the PoE from his pov to cuth/eld+1 which he isn't doing. I don't think its impossible he's the last wolf and not doing it just from sheer blows to morale from bros dying back to back to getting a NK saved. But he has no path to victory right now.

 

Cuth- If he's a wolf he has a clear path to victory, DJSooh>Fred>eldrick and it is very acheivable he does not need to widen it and doesn't need to push outside of it. 

 

Eldrick- If he's a wolf he has a path but its harder since he is more scum read. DJSooh>fred>Cuth. HOWEVER, if cuth is real he needs to be concerned he's not lying about the 1 shot doc so he needs to take steps to widen it just in case. I think he might have laid the groundwork with turnign his zander read around but i might be confusing his posts with fred. 

 

DJSooh- fred>eldrick>cuth for easiest victory. However is a bit lost in the game. 

 

I lost my train of thought

 

Somehow i went from this to not wanting to kill fred and immeadiately wanting to kill eldrick but i forget that step now. IT WAS ALL SO CLEAR.

[bopolis]

im going to get dinner and see if i remember the middle step;

 

in other news, ELDRICK

 

you turned around your read on zander and somewhat his read on you by saying you know why he was scum reading me and you have said you know why several times. Yet you haven't stated the reason. What do you think is the reason?

[Cory Caboose]

I would also not expect mafia to have 4 members AND a second 1x nightkill fwiw

 

If eldrick is a wolf i agree he's the last

[Cory Caboose]

I thought if fred was a wolf he might start contesting my zander read or trying to get me to swing around but if anything else he's saying "i trust cory/clov's read on him"

 

I really want to take eldrick out for a birthday lunch iykwim ikywim wink wink hero shot

[Zander?]

Hey Zander, how do I feel about wolves who hardbus their teammates for towncred?

 

Class wants to know XD

 

lolololololol

Cory hates it

 

Cordyx is Town

 

Whoever has Tinfoil on them stop.

 

 

 

I do think that if the people that sub out, a greater percentage is scum. But this should never be used as a reason to suss someone, not even jokingly.

 

You have no idea how much I wanna point back to my back and forth with S-Bop......

 

I have witnessed the earth go around the sun 32 times.

 

earths flat brah....ask Shaq.

 

Several thoughts i've had while watchign cory and eldrick play pattycake this morning.

 

1)Can mafia choose to to kill?

 

2) I don't like eldrick's line about "i would have to use it on n1 and him not doing so is weird;"  Do you think he's a mafia doctor or lying. If the former, he probably just protects scoobs n1. If the latter why not talk about my question number 1,

 

3) I agree/disagree with cory about the handling of scoobs/marsh if cuth were a wolf. It seems weird to push marsh and hard defend scoobs at eod 1(the marsh pushing was earlier not at eod) but his day 2 handling of marsh seems pretty standard. Also he pushed marsh day 1 relatively early enough that its not like pressure on bros is gonna get them killed.

 

1.) ofc.....lol

 

2.) I still think Eld's prolly not Town.

 

3.) Cuth's claim should clear him because its a Hallia Game, Hallia is HalliaGOATDoc...it just wouldnt make any sense without one but meh...Im mean a cc would let us know for sure because i doubt theres multi x1 docs.

 

 

 

This discussion has made me feel better about cuth.

 

Still not happy about the thread state.

 

I feel like I cleared sooh too easily. I liked how she handled eod1, but honestly don't remember anything else she has done. And DJ has been null so far.

 

After I looked into zander, and found why I think he was pushing bop, I dropped my tunnel of him. I think I haven't been paying enough attention to him since. I've shot questions his way that he's ignored, and thats bugging me.

 

I liked Fred's stance on not caring that he was on the poe, and to lynch him next if cuth flips town. It's a stance I have been in before as a villager, and it felt genuine.

 

I'm not touching cordyx or mmmbop. They are cleared imo

 

 

What questions have I not answered?

 

 

 

The thing with the theory of Cuth being mafia and holstering the shot, claiming he protected me is if there's a real doc type of role they can come out and counter claim and Cuth gets lynched. Unless, Mafia's had a list of the roles all a long I don't see why he'd make that claim as mafia not knowing whether or not there's a real doctor. 

 

with an IC/full cop/2 vigs ; and 2 mafia vanillas flipped; im kinda shocked there were any more power roles.

 

i figure hes banking on the fact there is no protective role and if he gets CC'd then mafia were destined to lose from jump street.

 

Fair, I guess in my mind I'm thinking an IC/ 1x shot cop/ 1 1x shot vig makes more sense to me then 2 1x vigs though.

 

 

there prolly more pr's imo and likely 4 non town.

[Cory Caboose]

LOL the halli loves docs thing did enter my mind LOL

 

I want to believe we had a legit save in the game run by the GOAT Doc herself <3

[bopolis]

the thing i forgot revolved around not killing people who dont have a path to victory combined with the fact i think there is only 1 left.

 

also imagine there are 1000 words about zander with the tl;dr  of if hes a wolf i blame cory

[Zander?]

i also think 2 vigs are supremely unlikely.

 

I also think a doctor would have been unlikely too but one of those things at least is real.

 

I also think vigging your mafia bro in the night is pretty ludicrous.

 

 

so color me confused

 

eld (or your slot) being sk makes the rest pretty believable to me at least...

[Zander?]

 

And if he's the sk, he's removed his ability to kill. We lynch another mafia, and he has to try to argue theirs four scum or holster. Holstering doesn't keep him above the POE line.

In no way would there be 4 mafia if I was an sk. That's almost half the game being non-town.

 

....

 

Oh. Ok. I see what you mean. If I was sk, if be pretending to be vig. Duh.

 

 

in case someone hasnt already

 

derpcleardenied.gif

[Zander?]

Rereading Fred's post, and honestly I'm getting a townie vibe from him. As I've said before, when he came in he already had an upward battle because of how post heavy we are, and with what his predecessor had done in the thread. I felt like he explained what reads he had well enough and it came across as he was actually trying to figure them out. I can't really fault him for having a bunch of nulls, because some of his nulls early on were null for me as well. I'm not going to go back and read his games from other sites, because honestly I have no interest in them because from what's been quoted it sounds like he has at least some meta for other players in those games where as here I don't think he has much experience with anyone playing, beyond maybe Cuth? I'm still early in his posts, but I'm not getting the "Used car salesman" vibe that's been thrown around. 

 

Did you ISO his Town game that Cuth gave us, theres a distinct different feel to his posts.

[Fredwood]

 

Rereading Fred's post, and honestly I'm getting a townie vibe from him. As I've said before, when he came in he already had an upward battle because of how post heavy we are, and with what his predecessor had done in the thread. I felt like he explained what reads he had well enough and it came across as he was actually trying to figure them out. I can't really fault him for having a bunch of nulls, because some of his nulls early on were null for me as well. I'm not going to go back and read his games from other sites, because honestly I have no interest in them because from what's been quoted it sounds like he has at least some meta for other players in those games where as here I don't think he has much experience with anyone playing, beyond maybe Cuth? I'm still early in his posts, but I'm not getting the "Used car salesman" vibe that's been thrown around. 

 

Did you ISO his Town game that Cuth gave us, theres a distinct different feel to his posts.

 

Subjective reasoning is subjective.  

[MrsClov]

 

Rereading Fred's post, and honestly I'm getting a townie vibe from him. As I've said before, when he came in he already had an upward battle because of how post heavy we are, and with what his predecessor had done in the thread. I felt like he explained what reads he had well enough and it came across as he was actually trying to figure them out. I can't really fault him for having a bunch of nulls, because some of his nulls early on were null for me as well. I'm not going to go back and read his games from other sites, because honestly I have no interest in them because from what's been quoted it sounds like he has at least some meta for other players in those games where as here I don't think he has much experience with anyone playing, beyond maybe Cuth? I'm still early in his posts, but I'm not getting the "Used car salesman" vibe that's been thrown around. 

 

Did you ISO his Town game that Cuth gave us, theres a distinct different feel to his posts.

 

Zander, I'm not reading any of the games. If I wasn't in it I have 0 interest in it. 

[Zander?]

I'm not lynching anyone until I hear for some more people regarding the lack of a flip. Also, I have to go get ready for psychical therapy and then have a meeting with school so probably won't be around to discuss anything for ~2 hours or so.  

 

 

Happy Birthday! Hope you have a good one.

 

So I'm part of DJ/Sooh, right? Saw that and just wanted to confirm that was me.

 

I'm trying to examine posts, and hope to take a stab at things after work.

 

Ill see how claims what, refer back to older posts and try to see if anything has shifted to make me suspicious of anyone on particular. Seems like a game plan.

 

 

Need you to start sharing some game content now my dear please?!!?!?!?!

 

 

Yes you are now master of dance beats, the great DJ Sooh

 

 

lolololololololol

 

 

 

Unvote

 

Not yet. Too many people on this train already and I want to hear from Fred before he gets hammered into the grave.

 

That and I really want to lynch Eldrick, but I'm worried I'm in the same headspace as last game. His actions just don't line up for me at all.

 

Honestly not lynching me at this point is a mistake, because you'll never have a better chance to eliminate the mislynch.  Town is really far ahead this game, and it looks like there's a deep wolf via voting or mechanically.   It's why I was sold on Cuth, because I could understand him being wolf more then others.  If you guys for whatever decide to keep my around, there's always going to be the question and will stop people from going full on analysis mode because there's always the more logical option.

 

Personally the holster is an interesting idea which I guess I could fit in the context, but I can't expect someone to examine it as a legit possibility if I'm alive. I've killed or voted for no scum and haven't saved or killed anyone.  I'm just the best town play and won't be upset by the lynch, at this point you'd be doing me a favor by doing it.

 

 

 

You dont get more Towny points each time you repeat this....lolololol

[Zander?]

I'm not lynching anyone until I hear for some more people regarding the lack of a flip. Also, I have to go get ready for psychical therapy and then have a meeting with school so probably won't be around to discuss anything for ~2 hours or so.  

 

Sorry missed this, ill be caught up shortly!!!!