Sailor Moon Mafia [Advanced] Game Thread

[Fredwood]

 

Fred: Hey I'm fine with it being Cuth or Me, I think this is a good idea, no need to overthink this yet. I'm not really invested in lying or arguing, but I'll play and try to answer questions.

 

People: Why don't you tinfoil for us fred?

 

Fred: I'd rather not, I'd just like to focus on me and Cuth

 

Other persons: No seriously why don't you throw a tinfoil for us

 

Fred: Sigh, Okay, but I REALLY WANT ME AND CUTH TO BE TAKEN CARE OF. I can see where X could possibly tinfoiled, and maybe Y but definitely not A and B

Someother guy: Hey everyone look at this Tinfoil Fred just decided to throw out there without being prompted by anyone.

First of all, bold didnt happen. You clumped everyone but IC into a group (why the post was gross to me, for the record)

 

Second, I don't remember anyone specifically asking you to tinfoil. I also don't see why that line of questioning would be useful.

 

It absolutely did, I said there's no way Bops and Clovdx/Cory are scum because I don't see any scenario where they buss teammates day 1 and 2. ...That's literally in the post you quoted.  Secondly...yeah I did, I mentioned Sooh and Zander specifically but said there are reasons for you to not lynch there, and finally I mentioned before about Scoobs spew and the vig claim why you're not a good candidate that I'd be willing to lynch..

 

Finally he asked me 3 people I was willing to lynch and I shrugged, I'm only willing to lynch Cuth period, and yeah, I was asked earlier in the thread specifically outside of me and Cuth are my biggest suspects.

 

This is my problem with your questioning, You say you're reading, but you didn't read it. Asking for 3 people I think are wolves is asking for a tinfoil.  I have said over and over again that Cuth is my biggest suss, and if you're going to lynch Cuth, lynch me.   I'm taking my stand on it, if I'm wrong I die and the rest of you can tinfoil.

[Fredwood]

 

 

Fred: Hey I'm fine with it being Cuth or Me, I think this is a good idea, no need to overthink this yet. I'm not really invested in lying or arguing, but I'll play and try to answer questions.

 

People: Why don't you tinfoil for us fred?

 

Fred: I'd rather not, I'd just like to focus on me and Cuth

 

Other persons: No seriously why don't you throw a tinfoil for us

 

Fred: Sigh, Okay, but I REALLY WANT ME AND CUTH TO BE TAKEN CARE OF. I can see where X could possibly tinfoiled, and maybe Y but definitely not A and B

Someother guy: Hey everyone look at this Tinfoil Fred just decided to throw out there without being prompted by anyone.

First of all, bold didnt happen. You clumped everyone but IC into a group (why the post was gross to me, for the record)

 

Second, I don't remember anyone specifically asking you to tinfoil. I also don't see why that line of questioning would be useful.

 

It absolutely did, I said there's no way Bops and Clovdx/Cory are scum because I don't see any scenario where they buss teammates day 1 and 2. ...That's literally in the post you quoted.  Secondly...yeah I did, I mentioned Sooh and Zander specifically but said there are reasons for you to not lynch there, and finally I mentioned before about Scoobs spew and the vig claim why you're not a good candidate that I'd be willing to lynch..

 

Finally he asked me 3 people I was willing to lynch and I shrugged, I'm only willing to lynch Cuth period, and yeah, I was asked earlier in the thread specifically outside of me and Cuth who were my biggest suspects.

 

This is my problem with your questioning, You say you're reading, but you didn't read it. Asking for 3 people I think are wolves is asking for a tinfoil.  I have said over and over again that Cuth is my biggest suss, and if you're going to not going to lynch Cuth, lynch me.   I'm taking my stand on it, if I'm wrong I die and the rest of you can tinfoil.

 

EPWIP

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

Fred: Hey I'm fine with it being Cuth or Me, I think this is a good idea, no need to overthink this yet. I'm not really invested in lying or arguing, but I'll play and try to answer questions.

 

People: Why don't you tinfoil for us fred?

 

Fred: I'd rather not, I'd just like to focus on me and Cuth

 

Other persons: No seriously why don't you throw a tinfoil for us

 

Fred: Sigh, Okay, but I REALLY WANT ME AND CUTH TO BE TAKEN CARE OF. I can see where X could possibly tinfoiled, and maybe Y but definitely not A and B

Someother guy: Hey everyone look at this Tinfoil Fred just decided to throw out there without being prompted by anyone.

First of all, bold didnt happen. You clumped everyone but IC into a group (why the post was gross to me, for the record)

 

Second, I don't remember anyone specifically asking you to tinfoil. I also don't see why that line of questioning would be useful.

It absolutely did, I said there's no way Bops and Clovdx/Cory are scum because I don't see any scenario where they buss teammates day 1 and 2. ...That's literally in the post you quoted. Secondly...yeah I did, I mentioned Sooh and Zander specifically but said there are reasons for you to not lynch there, and finally I mentioned before about Scoobs spew and the vig claim why you're not a good candidate that I'd be willing to lynch..

 

Finally he asked me 3 people I was willing to lynch and I shrugged, I'm only willing to lynch Cuth period, and yeah, I was asked earlier in the thread specifically outside of me and Cuth are my biggest suspects.

 

This is my problem with your questioning, You say you're reading, but you didn't read it. Asking for 3 people I think are wolves is asking for a tinfoil. I have said over and over again that Cuth is my biggest suss, and if you're going to lynch Cuth, lynch me. I'm taking my stand on it, if I'm wrong I die and the rest of you can tinfoil.

Ok.

 

I can see how if you only feel bad about one person, expanding it to 3 can seem like tinfoil.

 

I guess the sentence itself just struck a chord.

[Eldrick4221]

Edit unnecessary. Intent was obvious.

[Eldrick4221]

I still feel worse about cuth then I do about you.

 

I wont be lynching cordyx or mmmspades unless we get to f3, said as much before and nothing has changed that.

 

If there's scum between Zander and DJ, I'll worry about that later.

 

Resolving cuth/Fred first

Then, if game isn't over, zander/DJ

Then, if game STILL isn't somehow over, hydras.

 

Although I fully expect to not make it to f3.

[Eldrick4221]

Checked op to make sure I wasn't forgetting someone (obviously didn't mention linz)

 

@Hally reminder that list isn't updated with deaths and new sub.

[csarmi]

Updated Mod Thing

 

01. Cory/Clov - THE BEAUTIFUL CORDYX

02. Sooh Dar'Jen Ab Owain

03. Eldrick

04. mmmmmSpades (SpadesZee + bopolis)

05. Celeste (PENNEHHHH) Zander

06. Cuthalion

07.Linz aka Mrs.Clov

08. Derf  - Town Cop - Killed N1

09. Ted Bundy Fredwood

10. Ironeyes aka Marsh - Mafia Goon - Lynched D2

11. Aquilla Fleeing Coward - Mafia Goon - Killed N1

12. Scruffington - Sailor Jupiter - Vanilla Town - Lynched D1

 

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It is now Night two.  Send us your night actions by Monday, July 17th at 11:30pm PST.

[Clovdyx]

There's no need to tinfoil before you lynch one of us. Tinfoil is desperation, we've had as many Mafia kills as day phases. Overthinking at this point is just dumb. I'm like 70 percent sure Cuth is scum, I'm less then 30 percent sure that it's someone else and I'm willing to die on that ratio and feel good about it.

 

If you lynch outside of me and Cuth and it's a townflip, Cuth v Fred is still an issue, how is this good for any town perspective? Everyone seems to be eager to chip away at strong town reads when we're so far ahead and there's likely only bad guy left, it's like you're all afraid of the game being too easy.

Good lord, I love this post.

 

That last sentiment is probably both accurate as an observation and the truth, though. This could be the rare game where it's as easy as it seems, and I really hope that's the case. But in my experience, it's typically not.

 

 

 

Something something spirited away

[Clovdyx]

 

 

WTL? I assume you mean wolf

 

I'm really only interested in a Cuth lynch, if he's not scum I'm dead anyway. I'm not terribly confident in creating a tinfoil rn. I know two people are on the same you lynch town not teammates as scum, so if they were to break that trend for this game it would be disappointing (Bop and the other hydra). Anyone else but MrsClovx I guess things could be twisted into a scum lean with enough tinfoil. Between the rest you're in the weakest position for POE, but you also have the backing of strongest town read who has been on fire with reads, so there's no reason to doubt them now.

 

Would have been really nice if both Vigs didn't shoot Scoobs, so they could have eliminated who ever didn't get lynched today between me and Cuth.

Gross.

 

Do not like this post. At all.

 

Reads to me like setting up the next ml, while throwing suss on everyone else except the IC.

Gross I don't care

 

Lynch me or don't today. Sounds like you don't pay attention he asked a question, I said the rest is tinfoil outside of me and Cuth, and I kind of ticked off why Not sure how many times I need to say I'm not pushing for anyone outside of me or Cuth today, I won't survive a Cuth town flip anyway so it is what it is at this point. Don't quote something out of context in the middle of a back and forth with someone when I was asked a direct quesiton to use as proof of something that isn't there as if I brought it up organically.

And this is really about as "unslimy" as things get for me. He's essentially putting himself on the chopping block if Cuth doesn't end it.

 

You know who doesn't so that? The last remaining scum member who is nowhere close to winning. If there's a fourth member that's buried deep out of the poe, that's a different thing entirely, but I can almost guarantee that if Cuth is town...lynching friend does not end the game.

 

What's the angle? "Guys, i know I said I was a better lynch than all of youbfor three days and I'm the only one without some sort of mechanical support of being town, but i really think you should disregard my encouragement since n1 and lynch Zander over me" ? Yeah, that's nit going to stand out.

[Eldrick4221]

That's a good point.

 

I was already leaning cuth over fred, but if cuth doesn't end the game, Fred is cleared imo.

[Spadeszee]

Am I the only one who hates when players ask to be lynched and vote themselves?

 

In my limited experience it's always been a villager, but we're talking 2 games.

 

It always reads as someone just giving up. I think it's okay to realize why you might be perceived as scummy, but really crummy for your fellow villagers to have such a bad attitude (assuming you're v).

 

I also take it as a sort of dare, if you were a wolf. It makes the players feel more accountable, like you warned us and if you really do flip V, we all look stupid.

 

With that said, aside from Eldricks questioning and constant push of Cuth making me feel the same discomfort I felt last game, I would lynch Cuth>Fred.

[Cory Caboose]

bleh

 

I think Cuth is a villager

 

SHRUG

[Cory Caboose]

That's a good point.

 

I was already leaning cuth over fred, but if cuth doesn't end the game, Fred is cleared imo.

 

I'm not saying Fredwood is a wolf but also

 

I think this is an extremely foolhardy approach

[Cory Caboose]

I have seen wolves make posts like that ("self-sacrificial for the good of the village") many times when they are in bad spots

No idea why people want to clear him for that

[Clovdyx]

Am I the only one who hates when players ask to be lynched and vote themselves?

 

In my limited experience it's always been a villager, but we're talking 2 games.

 

It always reads as someone just giving up. I think it's okay to realize why you might be perceived as scummy, but really crummy for your fellow villagers to have such a bad attitude (assuming you're v).

 

I also take it as a sort of dare, if you were a wolf. It makes the players feel more accountable, like you warned us and if you really do flip V, we all look stupid.

 

With that said, aside from Eldricks questioning and constant push of Cuth making me feel the same discomfort I felt last game, I would lynch Cuth>Fred.

 

If you're in a situation you know there's no other way out of, I'd rather them have a productive conversation and be able to advance the game.  I'd rather concede as town than sit there and be assaulted with an endless barrage of suspicion that nobody cares about my answers in.

[Clovdyx]

I have seen wolves make posts like that ("self-sacrificial for the good of the village") many times when they are in bad spots

 

No idea why people want to clear him for that

 

I'm not clearing him for it, and barring any further developments, he's always next in my POE after Cuth.  I just don't expect he's the missing scum we're looking for, unless he has another teammate somewhere.

[Eldrick4221]

My 2c on the matter, spades, is that it sucks to be the focus of suspicion as town. When I'm in that position, I want people to just lynch me and get it out of the way, so I'm not being distracting.

 

That's the vibe I'm getting from Fred. It's why he'd be clear.

 

Yes. Of course he could be fooling us. That is always a possibility. But part of this game is trust.

 

And yes. It is annoying as hell when people give up. But it happens.

[Eldrick4221]

 

I have seen wolves make posts like that ("self-sacrificial for the good of the village") many times when they are in bad spots

No idea why people want to clear him for that

 

 

I'm not clearing him for it, and barring any further developments, he's always next in my POE after Cuth.  I just don't expect he's the missing scum we're looking for, unless he has another teammate somewhere.

And if they are both town?

[Eldrick4221]

 

Am I the only one who hates when players ask to be lynched and vote themselves?

In my limited experience it's always been a villager, but we're talking 2 games.

It always reads as someone just giving up. I think it's okay to realize why you might be perceived as scummy, but really crummy for your fellow villagers to have such a bad attitude (assuming you're v).

I also take it as a sort of dare, if you were a wolf. It makes the players feel more accountable, like you warned us and if you really do flip V, we all look stupid.

With that said, aside from Eldricks questioning and constant push of Cuth making me feel the same discomfort I felt last game, I would lynch Cuth>Fred.

 

 

If you're in a situation you know there's no other way out of, I'd rather them have a productive conversation and be able to advance the game.  I'd rather concede as town than sit there and be assaulted with an endless barrage of suspicion that nobody cares about my answers in.

It's possible to do both.

 

To be willing to be the next lynch, but still try to figure out the game.

[Spadeszee]

My big concern right now is that last game Eldrick worked his thoughts outloud as he developed them, I am not seeing this at all this game. Like, he'd go on back and forward with himself making notation. I think if Cuth/Fred are lynched and fli V, Eldrick is where I would turn next.

 

His push on Cuth would only be safe by his "vigshot", which I know I took so him shooting is still not completely true in my eyes.

 

Cory, I know you were with me when I played last game, does Eldrick feel completely different this one or am I crazy?

[Eldrick4221]

Am I the only one who hates when players ask to be lynched and vote themselves?

In my limited experience it's always been a villager, but we're talking 2 games.

It always reads as someone just giving up. I think it's okay to realize why you might be perceived as scummy, but really crummy for your fellow villagers to have such a bad attitude (assuming you're v).

I also take it as a sort of dare, if you were a wolf. It makes the players feel more accountable, like you warned us and if you really do flip V, we all look stupid.

With that said, aside from Eldricks questioning and constant push of Cuth making me feel the same discomfort I felt last game, I would lynch Cuth>Fred.

Cuth is my lowest read. I don't like his vote switch at the end of D1. I didn't like his vague read on FC or FC's meta and ignore on him.

 

Why don't you like my push?

[Clovdyx]

 

 

I have seen wolves make posts like that ("self-sacrificial for the good of the village") many times when they are in bad spots

No idea why people want to clear him for that

 

I'm not clearing him for it, and barring any further developments, he's always next in my POE after Cuth.  I just don't expect he's the missing scum we're looking for, unless he has another teammate somewhere.

And if they are both town?

 

 

I take a very long look at whether I want to lynch Sooh before you.

 

 

 

 

Am I the only one who hates when players ask to be lynched and vote themselves?

In my limited experience it's always been a villager, but we're talking 2 games.

It always reads as someone just giving up. I think it's okay to realize why you might be perceived as scummy, but really crummy for your fellow villagers to have such a bad attitude (assuming you're v).

I also take it as a sort of dare, if you were a wolf. It makes the players feel more accountable, like you warned us and if you really do flip V, we all look stupid.

With that said, aside from Eldricks questioning and constant push of Cuth making me feel the same discomfort I felt last game, I would lynch Cuth>Fred.

 

If you're in a situation you know there's no other way out of, I'd rather them have a productive conversation and be able to advance the game.  I'd rather concede as town than sit there and be assaulted with an endless barrage of suspicion that nobody cares about my answers in.

It's possible to do both.

 

To be willing to be the next lynch, but still try to figure out the game.

 

 

No, I mean....it's better to acknowledge that you're going to be lynched and provide thoughtful insight than go into some obnoxious defense that's just wall after wall of how obvious you've been and how you make no sense as scum and screw you guys for suspecting me.  I don't expect people to NOT defend themselves, but if they just go into a tirade about themselves, it detracts from looking past their own lynch.

[Clovdyx]

My big concern right now is that last game Eldrick worked his thoughts outloud as he developed them, I am not seeing this at all this game. Like, he'd go on back and forward with himself making notation. I think if Cuth/Fred are lynched and fli V, Eldrick is where I would turn next.

 

His push on Cuth would only be safe by his "vigshot", which I know I took so him shooting is still not completely true in my eyes.

 

Cory, I know you were with me when I played last game, does Eldrick feel completely different this one or am I crazy?

 

There have been a couple of "self contradictions" (essentially, he caught himself with bad judgment/flawed thinking)  from Eldrick this game that read to me as pretty genuine.  That doesn't matter at all if he's a SK - he's not going to know anyone's alignment but his own.  But in terms of being mafia, I would be pretty surprised; the reads seem to come naturally and then something pops in his head of "oh yeah, that's nto right, nevermind", which is more or less what I rely on to read him.

[Spadeszee]

 

Am I the only one who hates when players ask to be lynched and vote themselves?

In my limited experience it's always been a villager, but we're talking 2 games.

It always reads as someone just giving up. I think it's okay to realize why you might be perceived as scummy, but really crummy for your fellow villagers to have such a bad attitude (assuming you're v).

I also take it as a sort of dare, if you were a wolf. It makes the players feel more accountable, like you warned us and if you really do flip V, we all look stupid.

With that said, aside from Eldricks questioning and constant push of Cuth making me feel the same discomfort I felt last game, I would lynch Cuth>Fred.

Cuth is my lowest read. I don't like his vote switch at the end of D1. I didn't like his vague read on FC or FC's meta and ignore on him.

 

Why don't you like my push?

I've stated this before, but basically you got really annoyed when people were making cases for Iron but ignoring yours for Cuth. You went to bed while two people voted Iron and the train was clearly building up. You had zero interest in actually lynching him when you said (to my recollection) that he would be a good lynch as well. I can't confirm your vig shot so in my eyes you haven't actually gotten any scum and fled the scene of the crime each time.

 

If Cuth is a villager, I think it's painfully likely you're a wolf who was trying to bait out the vig. IDK how bold you are as a wolf.

[Eldrick4221]

I am curious why the sk speculation.

 

I mean obviously my shot sparked it, but why did so many people jump to sk and not a second vig?

 

Zander I get, to an extent. He didn't like that i thought he was scum. Haven't really been able to get much more out of him about his read on me, but I know his mistrust lingers once it's there to begin with.