[Basic] Peg + Cat Mafia -- TOWN WIN

[Tigraine]

She knew! She had made the "I'll stalk whoever votes me" comment and iirc we all referenced that when we voted

[Eldrick4221]

She knew! She had made the "I'll stalk whoever votes me" comment and iirc we all referenced that when we voted

Omg not the point. Ignoring as in not finding out why.

 

As I said later, it wasn't a reason to read her as scum. But the fact that she didn't question the reasons bugged me.

[Tigraine]

That's my point, she didn't have to question....they told her. I'll go back and see for sure but I'm pretty sure they did

[Eldrick4221]

I need to go. I need to do something less stimulating so I can sleep.

 

We could hang this out all day, but I frankly don't care to. I already know you're scum because tress didn't hammer me. I don't have anything left to solve.

 

Us going back and forth will probably be 0 help to tress.

 

So good night. You play a stellar scum game and I'm glad I got to witness it.

[Eldrick4221]

Hash*

[Eldrick4221]

Forgot that I had a vote on you when she got back. Point still valid, but she didn't hammer you either.

[Eldrick4221]

Also don't care if we win. This would be a remarkable comeback for you.

[Tigraine]

I agree with you again, this isn't helping her.

 

I'm gonna take a nap with the baby. Either way Tress, it's been a great game. I'm confident you'll figure it out.

 

Good luck sleeping Eld, if you do then sleep well.

[Songstress]

It was Spades you told to vote you

 

 

But if you truly thought that much about wishing to die so town could focus on finding scum then why didn't you hammer yourself?

 

You voted Darthe because, knowing he was scum, you knee you could find something he had done. Why would I hammer my teammate when I could've hammered you? You never addressed that. It makes 0 sense.

I actually have a thought about that. Will get into it later, still at work.

[Shad_]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Eldrick (1) - Tigraine

 

Tigraine (1) - Eldrick

 

Not Voting: Songstress

 

With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch.

 

All votes will be locked in place and cannot be changed once cast.

 

[Shad_]

I'm out for the night.

[Songstress]

For reference...

 

Alex ISO (70 posts)

 

 

 

 

#49 - checks in, asks how to disable signatures

#50 - claims to be town

#51 - gives Ed as n0 town peek

#53 - votes Hallia

#57 - flirts with Hallia

#62 - answers questions from Cass about his past experience and who he knows, then challenges her reason for asking

#65 - chides Hallia for answering his question directed at Cass

#67 - declares Hallia town, votes Shanti

#69 - challenges Hallia's reason for asking about his vote on Shanti but not his vote on her

#71 - calls Hallia's statement about assuming his vote on her was a joke contradictory to her asking about his vote on Shanti

#73 - responds to Hallia that there was no motive, it was a random vote for reactions, feels rustled that she forced him to reveal this as it defeats the purpose

#76 - indicates he found out about DM/this game on Mafia Universe (Hallia question)

#120 - denies being a member of the MU Discord channel (Hallia question), responds to Cass regarding differences between IRL and forum play as well as his approach to the game, states Spades is being scummy

#121 - asks Spades if she is scum

#123 - tells Spades he is also not scum, accuses her of lying to him

#125 - responds to Spades' statement that his vote is not currently on Cass/Dice, and asks if she wants him to change it to her

#128 - tells Shanti she can call him Alex (or Captain Awesome)

#130 - challenges Spades on why she isn't directly asking him why he is scum reading her, and then clarifies it is her tone

#133 - asks Spades why she assumes he doesn't like to be asked direct questions

#136 & #137 & #140- challenges Spades on characterizing his play as both defensive and aggressive

#142 - calls Redd probably town

#155 - denies Spades' allegation that he never explained why he voted Shanti, replies to Dice's request for him to explain what about Spades' tone is worrying him by asking if the site has ISOs

#157 - failed attempt to quote something?

#158 - assumes site doesn't have ISOs

#162 - quotes example of Spades post that he finds wolfy in tone, then characterizes other posts as lovey-dovey and feeling slimy

#163 - replies to Spades comment that his defensive/aggressive tone hasn't changed by stating it never will change

#165 - denies that Spades is only talking lovey-dovey to Hallia, states he would pull up quotes but there is no ISO

#172 - responds to Dice that his ISO instructions didn't work

#173 - votes Spades

#174 - states post #171 (by Spades) reeks

#178 - responds to Tress posting ISO tutorial

#190 - notes Tigraine is agreeing with Shanti a lot, and questions why she isn't voting him, suggests he should be her biggest wolf read

#195 - says he has an urge to vote Tigraine but doesn't want to be seen as sheeping Redd (acknowledges this is scummy)

#199 - notes that he assumes talking about ongoing games is not cool (directed at Tigraine)

#202 - accuses Tigraine of not answering his question about why she isn't voting him

#203 - questions Tigraine's choice of wording "play against"

#204 - realizes Tigraine addressed why she isn't voting him as that she doesn't necessarily agree with Shanti, then says he's not sure if he buys the explanation

#206 - laughs at Tigraine's pg-13 explanation for wording choice

#208 & #211 - notes Ed and Redd have called out his interactions with Spades as being fake but not provided quotes for backup

#212 - (unclear who this OK was in response to - could have been Tigraine or Ed, who had both addressed him)

#217 - again asks Redd to provide quotes where he feels Alex's responses have not been genuine

#220 & #221 - clarifies in response to Redd that his use of "pretty sure" is a figure of speech in British usage indicating the same as 100% sure

#222 - states Tigraine looks better after her vote on Redd, post where she acknowledges she is OMGUSing looks towny.  Also says he is fairly sure Redd is town and directs Tigraine to vote elsewhere.

#226 & #227 - responds to Spades calling him out for declaring Tigraine towny for doing something scummy and acknowledging it - notes he is town and did the same thing, and asks how Spades would have reacted if he'd called Tigs scummy

#231 - demands Spades react to him stating Tigraine is scummy for being self-aware about OMGUSing

#234 - acts like he doesn't understand Spades' statement that he appears to be trying to create a distraction by this line of argument

#235 - calls the people voting him scum or bad at mafia

#236 - argues with Spades over how she would have perceived him scumreading Tigraine for doing something he did himself, then states he hopes scum kill Spades if she is town

#253 - tells Spades not to town read him over his emo outburst because it makes him feel pathetic

#265 - tells Tress to "do stuff"

#273 - seems confused by Darthe saying his n0 town peek on Ed is not possible

#275 - says "that post" should be edited for PG-13 content - unclear what post

#311 - responds to Eldrick's request to quote Tigraine saying "play against" by suggesting he ISO Tigs

#315 - disputes Eldrick's statement that if he cared about the game he would provide quotes when asked by saying caring for the game is not equivalent to caring about Eldrick's reads

#318 - replies to Eldrick's question that he had originally thought Tigraine's wording was a slip but her response was satisfactory

#327 & #330 - responds to Cass' request for reads by stating Redd as town, Hallia as town lean, Tress as scum lean, and Spades as scum.  Everyone else null or mixed.

#332 - reminds everyone to leave seer cover

#375 - states he is not in the mood to play right now

#391 - votes Tress

#402 - states Tress is reading the thread but not playing the game, and notes LZM is ???

#420 - jokes with Spades about her "secret" message about Cory

#555 - talks about listening to a song Redd mentioned

#557 - states he will read (presumably catch up on the game) later

#575 - comments on the heavy use of gifs

 

 

 

[Songstress]

And Darthe ISO (48 posts)
 

 
#24 - reacts to Eldrick's n0 town peek of him (I know already)
#25 / #26 & #27 - declares Tigs is town (and the cat's meow)
#28 - replies to Eldrick and Shad discussing what to call the Cass/Dice Hydra by saying "kill it now"
#30 - replies to Ed's town read on Adella by saying we should all strive to be more like her
#31 - calls Cass post greeting people wolfy
#33 - greets Spades
#35 - notes Ed's comment about noting him attempting to pocket Adella
#264 - calls out Eldrick's reply to his #31 as being too serious
#266 - declares Cass post townie (main point of post was calling out Eldrick as wolfy)
#267 - states Alex's n0 town peek on Ed is not possible
#268 - blatant lie, right here
#270 and #271 - responds to Hallia's comment that Cass asking questions to get to know new players is not alignment indicative by saying it's what we all do
#274 - quotes Spades post about finishing her wifely duties without comment
#449 - excuses his absence by stating he forgot about the game
#450 - comments on Redd post about Alex and Spades being wolves together as "we have the best hot takes"
#453 - seems to be unclear on why Alex thought Spades' post about reading Hallia was bad
#454 - questions Spades about not thinking that the people pushing her were wolfbros (Alex and Redd)
#455 - calls out Alex for nitpicking Tigraine's wording
#456 - comments that he likes Tigraine's OMGUS response to Redd but can't say why
#457 - laughs at Redd's vote on Alex after Alex town read Tigs for OMGUS.  Also votes Alex

#459 - states Alex's AtE drawing votes off looked planned

#460 - calls Eldrick post wolfy (questioning Alex about his behaviour around the early voting and Hallia questioning it)

#461 - calls Eldrick post wolfy (not liking Redd's comment about trying to keep his voting to the wolves)

#462 - notes Eldrick post about Alex's self-consciousness about being perceived as wolfy being a red flag is better

#463 - notes Eldrick post about Tigraine OMGUS on Redd and agreeing with Darthe on Cass post is much better

#467 - notes a slight scum lean on Hallia

#471 - replies to Cass post about Darthe always being wolfy with "kill it now"

#473 - questions Redd on his town read of Spades

#474 - criticizes Redd's playstyle

#475 - says Tress is "doing that wolf thing you do"

#477 - town reads Spades for the effort she put into her reads list

#478 - comments that Tigraine is off to a slow start and that "bodes ill"

#480 - calls LZM a wolf from his first post

#482 - calls Tress a wolf 

#484 - replies to Cass question that he thinks Hallia looks town but off to a weak start

#486 - finds Cass' lack of faith disturbing

#488 - votes Eldrick (pocket denied)

#489 - replies to Tress about his perception of her wolf play

#709 - comments on Redd following his suspicion of LZM

#710 - calls Tress post on seer cover (and potential for Eldrick to push for people to leave seer cover as mafia) good

#711 - asks Sooh (not in game) what she thinks of Eldrick post calling Darthe town

#712 - asks Spades to clarify whether she thought Alex backing off when he was no longer in the line of fire was a good thing or a bad thing

#713 - reiterates vote on Eldrick for refusing to claim

#714 - quotes Eldrick post about thinking Tress is town and Tigs is scum (but his vote is wasted on Tigs) and comments "wanna tell us something we don't know?"

#715 - states Tress and Dice are picking up, Cass is "too organized" so he is tinfoiling on her, wants more Redd itt
 

 

[Songstress]

And now everyone is going to hate me, but my eyes are not wanting to stay open.  I have a few things I would like to quote and get responses to in the morning before I finalize my decision.

[Eldrick4221]

And now everyone is going to hate me, but my eyes are not wanting to stay open. I have a few things I would like to quote and get responses to in the morning before I finalize my decision.

Sleep well :)

[Eldrick4221]

Darthe- Null read, hasn't posted content other than to specify a quote or two either Wolfy or townie.

Tress- null read, only game content was to say she agreed with Ed that Adella is town and to say she likes the work Shanti has put in

Spade- never played with before (it just sounds wrong! I know I'm 31 and a mother of three but my mind goes bad places) but she seems to be legitimately trying to game solve. She's asking about votes and questioning things in a positive manner.

LZM- hasn't checked in

Eddie- hasnt said much which is game related. Common for him during day 1 but Eddie is one that I ALWAYS find scummy. It's how he got me last game. I try to give him the benefit of the doubt and it colors my game play with him. So I always keep an eye on him but other than remarking about Alex and spades back and forth, he hasn't said anything.

I'm going ahead and posting this because believe it or not it has taken me hours to type this out. Like I said, I am on mobile and it's a true process. Not to mention my one year old dive/princess/demon/drama queen/ beauty I am dealing with...kid likes to eat and poop and push buttons on my phone :(

I'm starting to work on the rest but know that it will prob be a while before I can get my thoughts on everyone else to you guys. ISOing on mobile and trying to type it all on my notepad to copy and paste to you guys is tedious.

  

 

Partial read from Day 1. Null read on Darthe for not enough content.

 

Spade- early on the was questioning votes and getting into the nitty gritty. Not wanting to put out a scum/town list until she had more info. When she does give a read list it's well thought out ans has a lot of substance. Reminds me of Cass's game play and I like it. Although she was accused of getting defensive I don't see it. The vote she placed on eld was supported with quotes. I'm saying town on spade.

Tress- early on there was nothing of substance, seemed to get a bit defensive when Darthe accused her of doing her scum thing. That pinged with me. Then after her reads list I become the most scummy in her eyes but all I can find for reason is my "itt" question to Hallia. She then explains lack of content which I get and leaving my joke vote on her...which was truly lack of being present. I had no desire to actually Lynch her. I'm not sure what it is exactly, something I can't explain but I'm weary of Tress. I don't know what to name her between town and scum so I'm just going to say no true read on her. Just going to keep my eye on her.

Darthe- reading his posts has me questioning why everyone is town reading him. I'm really seeing a lack of content or explanation for anyone/anything. Darthe I'd like to hear more from you, could we get a reads list from you?

As it stands, my top scum leans are ed and eldrick. As I stated there are a few more I'm keeping an eye on.

Right now I'm going to [v] ed [/v] you need to give us something man.

  

 

Section of her Day 2 read. Read on Darthe. Not understanding why people are town reading him. Want more content. But doesn't list him as a scum read, ergo still null.

 

 

[v]Dice/Cass[/v]

Trusting my instincts.

Could vote Ed if necessary.

We've got a little time...why dice/Cass? What do you think of Hallia voting them as an OMGUS vote?

Lack of content from Ed? LZM? Darthe?

 

 

Questions Tress about her vote on cass/dice and hally's vote on them. Suggests an alternative in the inactives. She lists Darthe as one of the inactives. Her vote is currently on Ed.

 

[v] Darthe [/v]

At least eld is here

Follows the train building on Darthe. No reason about him. Mentions that I'm active.

 

[V]darthe [/v]

Mostly gut. Mainly because of how he handled my peek of him.

Reference point of when I started the train on Darthe.

 

Now that I know she's scum, the vote on Darthe screams bus. She wasn't getting the mislynch she wanted, so she moved onto the teammate on trouble to look good after he flipped.

[Eldrick4221]

Her being on Ed's train is fine. She was pushing him all game.

[Eldrick4221]

Shanti- you haven't posted a whole lot so it makes the ISO easier. First I think I should tell you, you may be an alcoholic....just saying. But anyway, your reads list was different from others I've seen ever I believe. While usually people want to lean town or don't want to commit, I'm not sure I've seen someone call that many people scum at one time you've been holding your own pretty good though, I've seen people question you about your posts and you don't get defensive, I've seen you step out from the crowd and stand up for Spades when someone called her out on something, and you even read my wall of text despite me being on quite a few scum lists including your own. I'm got a strong town read on you.

 

Adella- early on the whole back and forth with Spades still stands out to me. She asked you to explain your vote (although it was clearly a joke vote) you seemed to get a little defensive yourself while calling her out for being defensive. Your vote stayed on her until close to deadline with the excuse that you just didn't know who to move your vote to. Why not just unvote? Then you slip into the debate on why Redd was killed and mention that it's suspicious that Tress left an option out then when she responds as to what option, your reply is what caught my attention

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100718-basic-peg-cat-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3794752

 

Basically saying it's a waste of time to speculate and that you believe its a misdirection to even speculate. So I have some questions for you 1) why did you even put a dog in the fight if it's useless? 2) why was it tress you confronted when others were speculating as well?

Slight scum read.

 

Hallia- early banter calls Alex out on vote hopping while defending Redd's style of the same way. Her context posts were not really conclusive.."this one seems towny "not bad for that one" "your posts are looking good". Then finally vote Alex because you don't like the other trains. A lot of posts directed to the "itt" comment but then you give a 'town to scum' list. I noticed that Cass/dice are in the middle then your read on them says they looked good early on then they slipped into question/answer mode which isn't alignment indicative....makes your vote on them seem curious. Are you kinda OMGUS'ing dice here? He says your tone is off then you vote them....not liking this. I think your answer to this question will tell me which way to lean with you. Iirc there seems to be 1 post in your ISO that has any game solving.

 

Dice- I'm liking early posting from Dice, I can see he's trying to give Cass the chance to play their role and only coming in as needed. Hes went after a few people and hasn't gotten aggressive to the point of a scum pushing a needless point. Hes also helped out with a few questions the newbies have but bit obtrusively so. I like this look on you Dice (p.s. sorry for lynching you last game :( ). I'll give a read on Cass but my view on Dice I'm definitely leaning town.

Her being on the last 3 trains isn't an issue. We all thought we had figured out who the last scum was.It's her placement. Each time she let the train build before she got on it herself.I was working on following her read on Adella, but I'm burning out. I'll get to it later if I have time.No issue with her vote on Shanti. That was a trainwreck.

[Eldrick4221]

Um...ok. That quote isn't supposed to be there lol.

 

It was from my working on her Adella read.

[Eldrick4221]

Well since it's there, she mentions that the back and forth between spades and Adella still stands out to her, but it's the first time she ever mentions it. Wording is weird.

[Eldrick4221]

I think the key to realizing she's scum is her vote on darthe. That she voted him even though 1) she was scum reading me and 2) she wasn't going after him to begin with.

 

She did it to look good for the hammer. It worked.

[Eldrick4221]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNTEldrick (1) - TigraineTigraine (1) - EldrickNot Voting: SongstressWith 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch.All votes will be locked in place and cannot be changed once cast.

Requoted so you have handy access to DL when you get back. I'll be around if you need me too.

[Tigraine]

I think the key to realizing she's scum is her vote on darthe. That she voted him even though 1) she was scum reading me and 2) she wasn't going after him to begin with.

 

She did it to look good for the hammer. It worked.

 

I had been scum reading you, a lot of people had been scum reading you. No, I didn't have a strong reason for voting Darthe. I had the option between someone that had been pinging scummy to me but was still present and playing the game or someone that had been pretty much nonexistent all game.

 

I made a last minute split decision to get rid of the less active player. It was literally last minute. Pretty sure shad said deadline was up less than two minutes later. I didn't try to justify my vote on Darthe as anything other than wanting to avoid a random Lynch due to a tie. I picked him because even with you being scum, you were helping the game move. You were throwing ideas out there and getting responses, you were putting in effort.

 

I mention somewhere in there that you seemed less scummy or were starting to look better or something to that effect. When you turned out to be so right about Darthe I began to think I had misread you. Obviously, I hadn't caught on to Darthe and you had so maybe I was wrong. I know now that I'm not. After seeing the distancing attempt made by on your n0 peek of him coupled with how you distanced from Alex day 1 then things started clicking for me.

 

The fact that this game is still going on, the fact that Tress didn't jump to hammer either of us tells me that I have been right pretty much all along. I had started doubting myself because of Ed, and became less confident with each mislynch down the line. So win or lose, it does make me feel better that I was at least right about you.

[Tigraine]

 

Shanti- you haven't posted a whole lot so it makes the ISO easier. First I think I should tell you, you may be an alcoholic....just saying. But anyway, your reads list was different from others I've seen ever I believe. While usually people want to lean town or don't want to commit, I'm not sure I've seen someone call that many people scum at one time you've been holding your own pretty good though, I've seen people question you about your posts and you don't get defensive, I've seen you step out from the crowd and stand up for Spades when someone called her out on something, and you even read my wall of text despite me being on quite a few scum lists including your own. I'm got a strong town read on you.

Adella- early on the whole back and forth with Spades still stands out to me. She asked you to explain your vote (although it was clearly a joke vote) you seemed to get a little defensive yourself while calling her out for being defensive. Your vote stayed on her until close to deadline with the excuse that you just didn't know who to move your vote to. Why not just unvote? Then you slip into the debate on why Redd was killed and mention that it's suspicious that Tress left an option out then when she responds as to what option, your reply is what caught my attention http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100718-basic-peg-cat-mafia-day-2/?view=findpost&p=3794752

Basically saying it's a waste of time to speculate and that you believe its a misdirection to even speculate. So I have some questions for you 1) why did you even put a dog in the fight if it's useless? 2) why was it tress you confronted when others were speculating as well?

Slight scum read.

Hallia- early banter calls Alex out on vote hopping while defending Redd's style of the same way. Her context posts were not really conclusive.."this one seems towny "not bad for that one" "your posts are looking good". Then finally vote Alex because you don't like the other trains. A lot of posts directed to the "itt" comment but then you give a 'town to scum' list. I noticed that Cass/dice are in the middle then your read on them says they looked good early on then they slipped into question/answer mode which isn't alignment indicative....makes your vote on them seem curious. Are you kinda OMGUS'ing dice here? He says your tone is off then you vote them....not liking this. I think your answer to this question will tell me which way to lean with you. Iirc there seems to be 1 post in your ISO that has any game solving.

Dice- I'm liking early posting from Dice, I can see he's trying to give Cass the chance to play their role and only coming in as needed. Hes went after a few people and hasn't gotten aggressive to the point of a scum pushing a needless point. Hes also helped out with a few questions the newbies have but bit obtrusively so. I like this look on you Dice (p.s. sorry for lynching you last game :( ). I'll give a read on Cass but my view on Dice I'm definitely leaning town.

Her being on the last 3 trains isn't an issue. We all thought we had figured out who the last scum was.It's her placement. Each time she let the train build before she got on it herself.I was working on following her read on Adella, but I'm burning out. I'll get to it later if I have time.No issue with her vote on Shanti. That was a trainwreck.

My placement on those trainwrecks was merely because of when I got online. Except Shanti, I was reading her maniacal posts the whole day when I would stop somewhere that had wifi.

 

I'm still beating myself up over that one because she was the one person, in the history of my mafia career that I was sure was town and had no acummy posts until she flipped out. I understood that she was having a rough day in rl but she got so defensive so quick. I couldn't help but compare it to times in rl that she had gotten mad for getting caught doing something she wasn't supposed to be doing. I also feel that my outing that tell lead spades to go ahead and hammer her.

 

I had been so sure of Ed after you lead the Lynch on Darthe. To me it was a no brainer, I was wrong. Then with Adella. Like I said, they were all logical. Even with Shanti..I hadn't found her scummy so maybe I was just THAT off this game.

 

So as I was doing the ISO on Tress yesterday, trying to read between the lines, thinking there had to be something I missed, it clicked that I HAD been right all along...I had been right about you. I finally convinced myself into voting you thinking that I was at least going out trdue to my reads and gut. Then when Tress came on and didn't vote I knew I was right about you.

 

Is there anything else you want to know? Anymore questions? I have an explanation for why i made every choice I made. They may not be great reasons and many of them blew up in my face but I KNOW I made the right decision this time.

[Songstress]

I had all these thoughts running around in my head and I think I've just confused myself further.

 

I spent a lot of time doing the Alex and Darthe ISOs last night to look for patterns - it's kind of a fool's errand with Darthe, because #FULLDARTHE is a thing, but it really looked for a bit there like Alex could have been avoiding his teammates until Darthe popped back in and started pushing for distancing. 

 

But then I realized that Alex was interacting with the people who were actually present in the thread, and Darthe and Eldrick were absent for a good chunk of that time.   When Darthe returned to the thread he spent several posts in a row pushing both Eldrick and Alex, but I don't know that expecting Darthe to treat both teammates the same way is remotely intelligent.  #FULLDARTHE, yo.

 

Alex's treatment of Tigs seems to be more similar to how he treated the known townies than his treatment of Eldrick.  The one thing that worries me is the fact that he ties his alignment to hers in his #226.  "I did this same thing and i am town, therefore I think she is town."  Does he do this to a teammate, or to a townie?  *ponders*

 

I thought to do ISOs on Eldrick and Tigs, but there's a big problem with Eldrick.  Aside from the fact that he's extremely high-volume and it would take about 4 years to do properly, he has a tendency to put every game related thought (and a few non-game related ones) into the thread immediately without consideration or double-checking accuracy, and since he apparently inherited the naturally scummy gene from his mother ( Lily) it makes it super easy to find things he's said and done that wig me out.  Tigs would probably be easier to resolve, so I'm trying to do that.

 

And again, I went into the day thinking it might just be Tigs, but reading through the sequence of events I realized I misremembered something.  I'd been thinking that Eldrick had always been her top scum read and she started talking about voting Shanti shortly after Spades made her "here's the plan, we vote Eld then Tigs" post.  The way I remembered it felt like she knew Eldrick would flip town and wanted to propose another option.  But I read it through in context and it was actually Eldrick who suggested it first, and Tigs doubled down on her Eldrick scum read... then 3 hours later she started considering it, right before Shanti kinda flipped out with the pressure, and only then did she decide to vote Shanti.  

 

It's still possible to be scum motivated but it reads better than I'd remembered it, and I'm not sure I'm all that much closer to being comfortable with a decision.  There are a couple of things I still want to check, and will probably have to do that from work.  I won't forget about deadline, rest assured.