[Basic] Peg + Cat Mafia -- TOWN WIN

[Eldrick4221]

Got to your post about how killing Redd wasn't because of seer hunting. Top reason for a kill if not pr hunting is because said person is onto you.

 

Redd was pushing for tigs. Would she kill over that?

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

I'm not convinced that this makes you scum, but it's annoying the hell out of me and making it hard to see you as town.

I'd like to get other people's opinions on this.

 

I think you have a valid point.

Eld, what do you think of her response to my comment about the choice of NK?

It is odd; I don't recall anyone saying he was their peek, but I could totally be wrong. Maybe some kind of hunting through killing peeks?

 

QFR

It's interesting that she thinks people listed as peeks would be a nk discussion topic.

I hadn't really given much thought as to why he was killed myself. It's usually wifom to try and sort that out. Could be he was town read. Could be they thought they saw a subtle seer hint. Could be they wanted to throw us off.

 

What it reminds me of to be honest is when I was mafia in Seph's Diablo game - it was a vanilla + seer game also, and we had a bit of a heated discussion N1 in the QT.  AJ had overplayed his hand trying to draw the NK and made it obvious he was vanilla in my opinion, but Besie disagreed.  Thane also thought he was not the seer, but did not follow the logic of needing to kill the seer as early as possible so he decided to let Besie submit the kill on AJ while I was asleep.

 

Later in the game I found myself trying to explain away how AJ's fake peek wasn't seer hunt cleared because maybe the mafia wasn't seer hunting.  

 

Obviously it's not the same situation, but her attempt to rationalize the choice of kill in that way specifically raises an eyebrow because it brings to mind trying to come up with an explanation why your teammates did something other than the optimal strategy in a seer game. 

 

I looked through Redd's ISO in pretty good detail to come up with his list of reads.  For mafia to have thought Redd had a better chance of being the seer than anyone else, if they were looking for the seer, every single peek that was left in the thread would have to have been either by a mafia or on a mafia, because the only thing that might have been interpreted as a seer hint was his unexplained thought that "the pretty new girl" was town.  His only other town read was Spades, who he had previously called wolfy and voted.  Since by my count there were peeks either by or on 10 other players, that's really highly unlikely.

 

Seems more likely to me that they weren't trying to find the seer.  That tells me one thing for sure, Darthe is town.  Of everyone else left alive, Darthe is the only one that I am confident would not veer off optimal strategy for a seer game and would be able to get his way if a teammate disagreed.

 

If they weren't trying to find the seer, the most likely reasons to kill someone would be 1) that they are clear town and not likely to be lynched (completely not the case for Redd), and 2) that they saw him as a threat.

 

Redd's last reads before EOD: 

If i had to guess a 3 person wklf team right now id say

 

Tigraine

LedZepMan

Hallia

 

At this point, Darthe wasn't under any pressure.

 

You gave an elaborate explanation of a previous game that this one reminded you of, and used it as a reason to misc learn Darthe.

 

Question is was this done incorrectly as town, or purposely to clear your teammate.

[Eldrick4221]

Misclear*

[Tigraine]

Eldrick your n0 peek was Darthe and Tress your's was Adella? Is that right?

[Eldrick4221]

Misclear*

[Shad_]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

 

Not Voting: Songstress, Tigraine, Eldrick

 

With 3 alive, it takes 2 to lynch.

 

All votes will be locked in place and cannot be changed once cast.

 

[Tigraine]

Just a heads up, I'm doing my reads on you two but we are getting bad thunderstorms in my area and the power has blinked a few times. I dont know if it will goout but I wanted to let you know in case I disappear.

[Eldrick4221]

Peeks

 

1. Darthe - Tigs

2. Songstress - Adella

3. Spadeszee - Tress

4. LedZepMan

5. Tigraine

6. Ed - Adella

7. Dice + Cass - Tress

8. Hallia - Led

9. Adella

10. ReddBoiler

11. Alexander7 -Ed

12. Shanti

13. Eldrick - Darthe

[Eldrick4221]

Cloudflare is telling me to go to bed.

[Songstress]

 

You might take into account the opinions of those who do.

I prefer to learn from personal experience. If you are town, this will hopefully be memorable in the future.

That looks like a good excuse to leave someone as a valid mislynch.

 

I assume you won't consider reading my last couple of scum games for comparison, either?

[Songstress]

Tress, how well do you know Tigs?

I wouldn't say that I do. I remember her from my early days playing mafia, but I've only played one game with her since she came back, we were both VT there and I had a hard time figuring her out IIRC.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

You might take into account the opinions of those who do.

I prefer to learn from personal experience. If you are town, this will hopefully be memorable in the future.

That looks like a good excuse to leave someone as a valid mislynch.

I assume you won't consider reading my last couple of scum games for comparison, either?

I'll give them a look tonight.

 

Links?

[Songstress]

 

 

 

You might take into account the opinions of those who do.

I prefer to learn from personal experience. If you are town, this will hopefully be memorable in the future.

That looks like a good excuse to leave someone as a valid mislynch.

I assume you won't consider reading my last couple of scum games for comparison, either?

I'll give them a look tonight.

 

Links?

Check Shad's database

 

http://www.dmwwdb.net/players.php?p=393

 

Danger in Demon's Cove and Diablo were the best examples, Beyond the Wall was a game where there was no town and everyone had conflicting wincons. Before Diablo I had a long stretch of being nearly always town.

[Songstress]

Eldrick your n0 peek was Darthe and Tress your's was Adella? Is that right?

Yes.

 

Then I got stupid and used Darthe as my N1 fake peek *facepalm*

[Tigraine]

 

Eldrick your n0 peek was Darthe and Tress your's was Adella? Is that right?

Yes.

Then I got stupid and used Darthe as my N1 fake peek *facepalm*

Okay thanks. I finally found the post where it confirmed she was your n0 fake peek so I should've probably read through before I asked. Sorry.

[Eldrick4221]

I'm usually either clearly town, or dead, at the end of the game. This one has had a weird combination of a lot of people thinking I'm scum, and yet the people I think are scum get lynched.

 

It's baffling me that we are here.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

 

You might take into account the opinions of those who do.

I prefer to learn from personal experience. If you are town, this will hopefully be memorable in the future.

That looks like a good excuse to leave someone as a valid mislynch.

I assume you won't consider reading my last couple of scum games for comparison, either?

I'll give them a look tonight.

Links?

Check Shad's database http://www.dmwwdb.net/players.php?p=393

Danger in Demon's Cove and Diablo were the best examples, Beyond the Wall was a game where there was no town and everyone had conflicting wincons. Before Diablo I had a long stretch of being nearly always town.

Thanks. I'm not huge on researching past games, but I think I'll have to this time.

[Tigraine]

I'm usually either clearly town, or dead, at the end of the game. This one has had a weird combination of a lot of people thinking I'm scum, and yet the people I think are scum get lynched.

It's baffling me that we are here.

Agreed.

[Eldrick4221]

 

I'm usually either clearly town, or dead, at the end of the game. This one has had a weird combination of a lot of people thinking I'm scum, and yet the people I think are scum get lynched.

It's baffling me that we are here.

Agreed.

Why did you listen to me, if you think I'm scum?

[Tigraine]

I don't remember which games I was scum...been a minute. Since I've come back to mafia I've only been scum once but it was a Facebook game. If you want to see if I would have to add you to the group but I think we have to be friends first. Its up to you.

[Tigraine]

 

 

I'm usually either clearly town, or dead, at the end of the game. This one has had a weird combination of a lot of people thinking I'm scum, and yet the people I think are scum get lynched.

It's baffling me that we are here.

Agreed.

Why did you listen to me, if you think I'm scum?

Because to me, this isn't really game related. I'm in agreement that it's baffling we are here. I've had you scum so much, it's hard to shake that.

 

Im trying to start with a clean slate for both of you and look through the ISO's with unbiased eyes.

 

Even scum make sense sometimes. But I do find it odd that you chose this to jump on. Why?

[Shad_]

As Facebook is not public, going to have to say no on that one.

[Tigraine]

You make a generalized statement and I agree with it so that tells you what?

[Tigraine]

As Facebook is not public, going to have to say no on that one.

Okay I'm sorry. I didn't think about that

[Eldrick4221]

FINAL VOTE COUNT

Eldrick (3) - Adella, Dice/Cass, Spades

Dice/Cass (2) - Hallia, Tress

Darthe (4) - Eldrick, Shanti, LZM, Tigraine

Not Voting: Darthe, ed2funy

Darthe has been lynched.

  

FINAL VOTE COUNT

Ed (5) - Eldrick, Spades, LZM, Tig, Tress

Not Voting: Ed, Hallia, Adella, Shanti

  

FINAL VOTE COUNT

Adella (4) - LZM, Eldrick, Tress, Tig

Tress (1) - Adella

Not Voting: Spadeszee, Shanti

 

 

FINAL VOTE COUNT

Eldrick (1) - Shanti

Shanti (3) - Eldrick, Tigraine, Spades

Not Voting: Songstress