[Advanced] Old West Mischief Mafia - Town Wins!

[seph]

I need to take some off inbetween. but we will see how much i end up playing :)

[Eldrick4221]

I need to take some off inbetween. but we will see how much i end up playing :)

I feel that.

[DPR]

Quite the chatty night.

 

Gather 'round children, and let Uncle DPR tell you a little story. A story of intrigue... a story of deception... but mostly a story of how diarrhea of the mouth can bite a mafia team in the @$$.

[DPR]

Remember yesterday when I posted this?

 

 

Screw it I think this lynch gives just as much info as the hydra and notbob's play hasn't been the best. I would rather bet kissyclov is town over notbob and this is the only way i can save them. 
#yolo [unvote] [v] notbbob [/v] #feelsright

 

 

You had me nodding with appreciation as you summed up your case on Eldrick as it was well thought out and with plenty of supporting evidence. 

 

Then you drop your vote on NB without building much of a case at all.

 

Will you say a bit more about your reasoning here - specifically the post where you commented that you could almost vote NB for the post of his that you quoted? 

 

 

This was in response to Seph laying out a solid case on Eldrick, and then throwing a YOLO vote down on NB.

 

 

 

 

Screw it I think this lynch gives just as much info as the hydra and notbob's play hasn't been the best. I would rather bet kissyclov is town over notbob and this is the only way i can save them. 
#yolo [unvote] [v] notbbob [/v] #feelsright

 

 

You had me nodding with appreciation as you summed up your case on Eldrick as it was well thought out and with plenty of supporting evidence. 

 

Then you drop your vote on NB without building much of a case at all.

 

Will you say a bit more about your reasoning here - specifically the post where you commented that you could almost vote NB for the post of his that you quoted? 

 

essentially I am not getting eldrick lynched within the next 3 hours or so? While re reading I kept noticing alot of my town reads are reading him highly, and they do in fact read them better than me. So in point here, yes I would like to lynch him, but no its not happening today.

I think lizclov has a better chance at being town over notbob/eldrick/tink so i would like to divert that lynch if at all possible. the best chance I have is a notbob lynch as it still would provide useful info and I do not think I would be lynching a townieover it.

 

 

What do you think about the fact that you've got Eldrick and NB as scum and Eldrick's last play to lynch someone other than MissClov is to lynch NB? You joining him here is strange if that's your actual train of thought.

 

 

Tink noticed it too.

 

 

 

 

Screw it I think this lynch gives just as much info as the hydra and notbob's play hasn't been the best. I would rather bet kissyclov is town over notbob and this is the only way i can save them. 
#yolo [unvote] [v] notbbob [/v] #feelsright

 

 

You had me nodding with appreciation as you summed up your case on Eldrick as it was well thought out and with plenty of supporting evidence. 

 

Then you drop your vote on NB without building much of a case at all.

 

Will you say a bit more about your reasoning here - specifically the post where you commented that you could almost vote NB for the post of his that you quoted? 

 

essentially I am not getting eldrick lynched within the next 3 hours or so? While re reading I kept noticing alot of my town reads are reading him highly, and they do in fact read them better than me. So in point here, yes I would like to lynch him, but no its not happening today.

I think lizclov has a better chance at being town over notbob/eldrick/tink so i would like to divert that lynch if at all possible. the best chance I have is a notbob lynch as it still would provide useful info and I do not think I would be lynching a townieover it.

 

 

 

Fair enough.

 

Will you explain one other point? In the quote I mentioned before ( including NB saying that he doesn't make town-reads on D1) you said that you could almost vote him for that post. I don't see the reason for that. What is the reason?

 

 

Seph explains it away, but still leaves a gaping hole in his logic which is: he laid out the case on Eldrick, but then abandoned it before anyone had a chance to read it. 3 hours is plenty of time to get somebody lynched and the NB train at the time was not substantially ahead of Eldrick's, negating his answer.

 

 

 

 

 

I broke the page

 

Yes, you did.  Do you really think Eldrick doesn't look scummy?  Please explain.

 

I really think that Eldrick just looks like regular Eldrick. You on the other hand. I don't get you this game. 

 

[v]Notbob[/v]

 

I can't get over the commentary style of playing this game, generally it seems to be done in order to make other slots look bad. 

 

 

I don't town read anyone on Day 1...but whatevs...

 

Here is the post. Tbh I just don't like the response in general. but the biggest concern is the bolded. Its somethin i did as scum along time ago before someone told me about it. The bold isn't needed and actually comes off as defensive with how i am reading it with tone. I feel like he was trying to find something to say but couldn't and thats what came out.

As town I generally don't have to think about what I need to type. But as scum I could sit there and spend a min or two trying to make sure my replys are up to the standards so to speak.

 

 

This is a very, very poor answer to my question. Remember, Seph laid out a well thought out and logical case against Eldrick. But then he votes NB because of a ambiguous remark by NB that reminded him of something Seph did as scum once.

 

This is complete shite.

 

But it gets better... the adventure is just beginning!

 

 

 

 

Screw it I think this lynch gives just as much info as the hydra and notbob's play hasn't been the best. I would rather bet kissyclov is town over notbob and this is the only way i can save them. 
#yolo [unvote] [v] notbbob [/v] #feelsright

 

 

You had me nodding with appreciation as you summed up your case on Eldrick as it was well thought out and with plenty of supporting evidence. 

 

Then you drop your vote on NB without building much of a case at all.

 

Will you say a bit more about your reasoning here - specifically the post where you commented that you could almost vote NB for the post of his that you quoted? 

 

essentially I am not getting eldrick lynched within the next 3 hours or so? While re reading I kept noticing alot of my town reads are reading him highly, and they do in fact read them better than me. So in point here, yes I would like to lynch him, but no its not happening today.

I think lizclov has a better chance at being town over notbob/eldrick/tink so i would like to divert that lynch if at all possible. the best chance I have is a notbob lynch as it still would provide useful info and I do not think I would be lynching a townieover it.

 

 

Protecting a scum mate here?  I'll help...personally, my vote for LizClov is just to get blood in the water...to solve a game.

 

unvote, Vote Eldrick.

 

Do what you want here...but I'd keep this town's guy in the game...but whatevs I'm out till tonight.

 

 

 

Here's where the story really begins.

 

NB gives a throwaway excuse for moving his vote to Eldrick.

 

But look at the VC as it stood when he did:

 

 

Darthe Wade (2): Cass, Eldrick

Miss Kizzy Clov (6): Dice, Darthe, DPR, Crusher, Tiinker, Not Bob

NotBob Cassidy (5): Cuth, Miss Kizzy Clov, Sooh, Seph

Eldrick the Kid (2): Hallia, WiFi


Not Voting: Spoof, Kronos

With 16 alive it takes 9 to string em up!

 

***

 

And after NB moves his vote to Eldrick:

 

 

Darthe Wade (2): Cass, Eldrick

Miss Kizzy Clov (5): Dice, Darthe, DPR, Crusher, Tiinker

NotBob Cassidy (5): Cuth, Miss Kizzy Clov, Sooh, Seph

Eldrick the Kid (3): Hallia, WiFi, NB

 

***

 

Now, you're probably asking yourself "Self? Why would NB move his vote when it put him into a worse position by putting his own train at a tie with Kizzy?" 

 

Why indeed?

[DPR]

Let's take moment to review:

 

Seph moves his vote to NB for nebulous reasons. NB moves his vote to Eldrick for equally nebulous reasons, pulling NB's train up to 5, matching Kizzy's.

 

We also need to take into account the work Seph put in, literally instructing people to not vote for Kizzy. 

 

The momentum pushed NB's train forward (as has now been noted multiple times by by Liz) and the rest is history.

 

What we watched was a goon suicide.

 

Let's pause to consider that and to imagine what sort of reaction his scrummages might have...

[DPR]

*scummates

[seph]

its a bit early for tinfoiling dread lol. nice little fantasy story ya got there, well at least after w WHOLE day you finally have a read on me.

dpr what do you  think of tink backing off from me when I actually confronted him on his question?

also it would be nice if you shared some current thoughts on darthe.

[DPR]

We pick up at the after party, celebration in progress. Seph is the hero! But check this out - before the lynch he laid down some quick cover:

 

 

 

Also - don't know what tinfoiling is - but yeah - I play as I read.  

well if you posted it after the lynch, which did not happen.

people might go back and fourth (tinfoiling) if you saw the post before or after you posted. I think if notbob flips red you had one of the most genuine late votes and it makes me feel good about you. heck even if he flips town I feel good about it, because the vote was never (needed) for the lycnch and it would have been just as easy to never post.

 

 

So, for no particular reason, Seph clears Kronos for us and even labels any future speculation of it as tinfoiling. Wow, thanks Seph. You're a hell of a guy! 

 

 

That worked out wel!

darthe no more tunneling :)
While i still think you are town, gana have to look at your slot with some scrutiny. likely a wolf between you and crusher.

 

 

Of course, after the lynch, he lays down some shade on Crusher. Keep in mind that the primary differences between the Kronos vote and the Crusher vote are that Kronos has been scarce all game and pops in at the last minute, just before deadline (which is Townie according to Seph) and Crusher, who has been present and contributing all game, made a logical vote based on his experience playing with NB (which puts him in the scum pile).

 

Tsk tsk.

 

ebwodp. 
reason dpr comment on crushers vote post bugged me.
He said he valued his opinion and thanks him for it, if town I would assume he qould move his vote to just secure the lynch. seemed like he was trying to avoid sus by staying on lizzyclov. I would still look at them in order of my list though.

 

 

Here's Seph throwing some shade at me and playing dirty - there is no way to win the EOD "should I move my vote or let it lay" game. If I had moved, I'd be labeled as scum like Crusher. If I let it lay, I'm scum for not moving it. Nice, eh?

 

The tell here is that the lynch never needed to be secured, and I was on record as being null on NB, and very solid that Kizzy was scum, making all of Seph's commentary suspect.

[Lizabeth]

That's not tinfoil ignore seph. That's desperation :D

 

DPR comment on the Darthe issue please.

[Eldrick4221]

Who are the scum in this tale of yours? I don't see how I fit into it, or why you bring me up to begin with. And for seph to be scum in this, Lizclov would also be, and he would be moving the focus from one scum to another.

 

Because if he's scum and Lizclov is town, why would he even bother.

 

On that note, if they are both scum, why would he bother?

 

Seph being scum there just makes 0 sense.

[Lizabeth]

That's not tinfoilig, seph. That's desperation :D

 

DPR comment on the Darthe issue please.

Ebwop

Ugh auto correct

[seph]

all of those posts by you are pretty darn bad dpr. The main read on notbob was the tone of the post, and the but...whatevs... which sounded highly defensive. you know that 1 thing you don't believe catches scum.

it seems the scum team may be showing us there ashes, 
dpr that was bad enough i might just kill you myself.
Just look at your post towards crusher on notbob, you realize he voted because of me and sooh right. the 1 guy you trust so much on notbob used us as a stepping stool for his read. I am pretty sure he even says he didn't consider it(or something along the lines of that) until he read me and soohs post.

[Eldrick4221]

I'm wtv DPR tomorrow. He's trying to twist a tale to get the thread to go the way he wants, but the tale doesn't make sense.

[DPR]

Back to the celebration...

 

And this is where the terrible, horrible, unstoppable and immeasurable diarrhea of the mouth begins.

 

Please keep in mind that at no point during all of the night's commentary does anyone notice or mention NB's suicide vote. That's funny, isn't it? I think so.

 

Bring in Kizzy...

[Lizabeth]

Back to the celebration...

 

And this is where the terrible, horrible, unstoppable and immeasurable diarrhea of the mouth begins.

 

Please keep in mind that at no point during all of the night's commentary does anyone notice or mention NB's suicide vote. That's funny, isn't it? I think so.

 

Bring in Kizzy...

On the laptop so I can commen ton this. Then I have to run to work. But with this last ditch effort, I'm assuming that mrsclov and i will live through the night, so we can elaborate on this later.

 

But I hope everyone pays attention to where DPRs attention has been all game and where it has not been.

 

I have a hard time believing he's this bad of a town player.

 

Tell us your thoughts on Darthe please, DPR. Just humour me. Why do you think he ran away all of a sudden when I called him out on his lie? Does that sound like town!Darthe to you?

[Lizabeth]

okay bye guys - this is going to be fun. laters!

[seph]

1. dpr the crusher thing was a misunderstanding. if you read the thread you would know that.
2. Kronos actually provided his own decent reasoning for voting notbob. Guess what I tone read kronos, as I do alot of folks d1. #deal with it I think he is town. The tinfoiling was because I thought notbob had already been lynched, please stop twisting what I said. You know who twists people's words? wolfs do.
3. I am fairly positive I made the post about you when I was thinking crusher was sus for his vote, I late cleared that up with him and AS I SAID HE DESERVES A SLIGHT TOWN READ BECAUSE HE WAS THE VOTE TO PUT NOTBOB IN THE LEAD.


LOL thanks for showing me this dpr..... wow I didn't notice this. inc n1 gamesolve

 

[seph]

hold on guys this is good.
crusher is scum with dpr/darthe/tink possibly both
 

[Eldrick4221]

1. dpr the crusher thing was a misunderstanding. if you read the thread you would know that.

2. Kronos actually provided his own decent reasoning for voting notbob. Guess what I tone read kronos, as I do alot of folks d1. #deal with it I think he is town. The tinfoiling was because I thought notbob had already been lynched, please stop twisting what I said. You know who twists people's words? wolfs do.

3. I am fairly positive I made the post about you when I was thinking crusher was sus for his vote, I late cleared that up with him and AS I SAID HE DESERVES A SLIGHT TOWN READ BECAUSE HE WAS THE VOTE TO PUT NOTBOB IN THE LEAD.

 

 

LOL thanks for showing me this dpr..... wow I didn't notice this. inc n1 gamesolve

 

 

Hold on. What is this referencing again? Curious what tinfoil would matter if it was before or after notbob's lynch.

[DPR]

So much scrambling... Quiet now children, we have more.

 

Here is just one of the egregiously, rhea filled posts from Liz, who took the night to solve the game for us. By using the absolute worst techniques possible. I ain't gonna lie, it's bad. Proceed with caution, and maybe a cloth to cover your noses with... it's stinky.

 

Actually, before I go to bed I want to point out something about Crusher (in case we die in the night).

 

As I said before, it's not unreasonable for a scum team to abandon a town wagon for a scum wagon when they see the town wagon losing steam and the scum wagon gaining steam. They do it in hopes of making it look as though they were ahead of the curve and secured the lynch. I pointed to Nyn's play in the FF7 game as an example where I wouldn't have thought she needed to bus sooh when she did (she actually did it even before the sooh wagon gained steam because she anticipated that sooh would likely be the lynch that day) and it helped consolidate the town read that most players had on her.

 

NotBob was a goon. I'm sure  the scum team has a lot of fun powers that they'd like to keep in play. So bussing a team mate that was likely going down anyway and there was no traction for a competing town wagon in a short amount of time is smart play if they can hope to gain some town cred for their power roles. I've read a lot of mafia team QTs where the deliberations are about when they should bus and how.

 

I'm pretty certain at this point that Darthe is scum. People should explore Crusher further to determine if he's scum too.

 

Goodnight!

 

Two enemies down, and Goodnight!

 

But no, we weren't that lucky... More of the rhea:

 

The fact that all of Darthe's bravado went silent after I called him out on the lie is another nail in his coffin.

 

Sorry I keep spamming, but I want to make sure people realize exactly why he needs to be the lynch D2.

 

At this point, she's just making up shite to throw against the wall. Pinning down Darthe over timing is just ridiculous and bad play. Just terrible.

 

But now she's gonna get serious with it... Here's the bowl blaster:

 

Okay, so here are some thoughts that I started on last night and added to this morning.

 

I was trying to find that wagon analysis that Seph posted earlier  - I'm almost certain that seph posted this - starting back from when he, cuth, and eldrick dropped off our train and other people started suddenly piling on.

 

As I was lying in bed not able to sleep because I was thinking about mafia this morning, I was pondering this. And it made me take back my town read on DPR.

 

Because, imagine this. Say you're the members of the scum team. You've basically been coasting all game day because most of the focus has been on one main slot (me/mrsclov of course) and you've got a handy backup lynch on the side (Eldrick) in case the first wagon goes sideways at some point.

 

Town is doing a good job for you of keeping your focus there. All you have to do is keep on repeating how scummy that first wagon is, because that's pretty much the consensus in the crowd. And if you keep repeating the same things and ignoring the clarifications that you're given, you can keep that wagon on it's heels all game and say "see? they're not doing anything but defending themselves. total self-serving scum" (because town would never defend itself against a mislynch, of course ::P)

 

But hey wait a minute. These town patsies who were leading the wagon are actually starting to explore things with the easy lynchbait. Now they're starting to have doubts and actually consider other options. That easy lynch is no longer looking so easy, and your first and backup wagon are supporting each other, even though you were hoping to set them at each other's throats....people will stop being distracted and start looking elsewhere. Not good!

 

So what do you do? You push the attention back onto the distraction. You keep repeating the same mantras from earlier in the thread and ignore any progression in teh discussion since then. When you get called out on that, you just keep repeating that Miss Kizzy Clov is for certain scum and all their explanations/questions are bad and just shouldn't be listened to. Keep repeating it in hopes that people will keep the focus there, Miss Kizzy Clov will keep focusing on defending themselves, and no one bothers to look elsewhere.

 

So who was really invested in keeping the attention on MrsClov/me after Cuth, Seph, and Eldrick unvoted us and started to shift the conversation elsewhere?

 

Darthe is already a given. Notbob as well. But also look at what Crusher and DPR were doing at that point in the thread onwards. Tinker is always going to be floating in this pool for me because he basically did nothign but vote us and then try to undermine Seph's attempts to explore other options that weren't us/eldrick after the wagon on NotBob started building.

 

here are some of my observations:

 

From Darthe - remember to track his read on NotBob http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100047-advanced-old-west-mischief-mafia-n1/?p=3756157

I don’t like this post from Crusher. Especially “I’m trying to convince myself it’s because he’s not reading)”. Wagon on us is declining, wagon on notbob is building: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100047-advanced-old-west-mischief-mafia-n1/?p=3756165

All of a sudden DPR is cooperative: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100047-advanced-old-west-mischief-mafia-n1/?p=3756174

Darthe switches over to NotBob after DPR does - it’s like they’ve decided to give up in their scum QT: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100047-advanced-old-west-mischief-mafia-n1/?p=3756177

Kronos’s explanation feels the most natural:

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100047-advanced-old-west-mischief-mafia-n1/?p=3756196

Seph’s post flip reads list: http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100047-advanced-old-west-mischief-mafia-n1/?p=3756263

Why did darthe move his vote to notbob if he thought we were scum too? Why not keep it a tie between scum?

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100047-advanced-old-west-mischief-mafia-n1/?p=3756264

Good obs by seph re: DPR’s response to crusher

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100047-advanced-old-west-mischief-mafia-n1/?p=3756265

Darthe tries to redirect attention from him and crusher to eldrick when talking to seph:

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100047-advanced-old-west-mischief-mafia-n1/?p=3756286

How does darthe know crusher’s alignment?:

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100047-advanced-old-west-mischief-mafia-n1/?p=3756286

Dice before the flip will only vote us or Eldrick

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100047-advanced-old-west-mischief-mafia-n1/?p=3756121

But then refuses to consider seph’s plea to switch to eldrick saying he’s going to bed

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100047-advanced-old-west-mischief-mafia-n1/?p=3756129

DPR encouraging seph’s case on eldrick and pushing away from notbob (ignoring previous cases already made on notbob)

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100047-advanced-old-west-mischief-mafia-n1/?p=3756141

Tinker also redirecting towards eldrick away from notbob

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100047-advanced-old-west-mischief-mafia-n1/?p=3756147

DPR wanting to lynch us for information - eldrick for information - not concerned about lynching for scum. Similar to previous statement I bolded where he basically said our alignment didn’t matter to him http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100047-advanced-old-west-mischief-mafia-n1/?p=3756153

Maybe he’s just being helpful...but maybe this is the point at which the scum team really starts worrying about the shift in wagons and they know they have to make a decision soon

http://www.dragonmount.com/forums/topic/100047-advanced-old-west-mischief-mafia-n1/?p=3756155

Also notice that DPR backed off telling me how terrible I am after I started reading him as town?

 

 

I've already stated other observations in the thread regarding Crusher, so take those into consideration as well.

 

Game solved! 

 

Seriously, I can't even. There is no logic here. There is plenty of Liz telling us what to think about other players. There is twisting of words, manipulation of facts and many, many words. 

 

I did get to the point where I was dreading her posting more. 

 

I don't see myself lynching outside of tink/darthe tomorrow.

I really likes liz's post about darthe dpr an crusher. I would say crusher is a deepwolf if anything, but as the person who took the wagons in favor of nightbob he should get a slight town read. I don't think his play warrents a lynch.

if crusher is mafia, there is a good chance dpr is with him.

darthe/tink (lynch tomorrow)
spoof  meh
dpr/crusher/eldrick  ones that need to be watched.


 

 

Here's my boy Seph. After protecting Kizzy with everything he had during D1 (and requesting an iou and red for it, don't forget...) he swings into the scum shuffle, matching his steps in time with Lizbeth. It's a nicely choreographed little number.

 

I need to take some off inbetween. but we will see how much i end up playing :)

 

 

And then the scummalicious "I don't know if I'll be around much tomorrow. Sure... MF'er pops up like a pimple before a date as soon as I call him out, so I guess his schedule cleared?  

[seph]

 

1. dpr the crusher thing was a misunderstanding. if you read the thread you would know that.

2. Kronos actually provided his own decent reasoning for voting notbob. Guess what I tone read kronos, as I do alot of folks d1. #deal with it I think he is town. The tinfoiling was because I thought notbob had already been lynched, please stop twisting what I said. You know who twists people's words? wolfs do.

3. I am fairly positive I made the post about you when I was thinking crusher was sus for his vote, I late cleared that up with him and AS I SAID HE DESERVES A SLIGHT TOWN READ BECAUSE HE WAS THE VOTE TO PUT NOTBOB IN THE LEAD.

 

 

LOL thanks for showing me this dpr..... wow I didn't notice this. inc n1 gamesolve

 

Hold on. What is this referencing again? Curious what tinfoil would matter if it was before or after notbob's lynch.

 

the kronos townread of his vote, which im about to post somthing about it. which says the exact opposite lol

[seph]

Not bob unvotes randomly when his train picks up steam. Think about this logically and tell me what you think.

What are the reasons for a wolf to sacrifice themselves when they have a chance at self preservation if they just leave the vote where its at. There is literally 2 reasons,

1. to save a pr role. which imo is a 90%+chance isn't the case since kizzyclov was on notbob at a # 2 spot) the wolf team would never have pushed a pr so hard to get there in the first place.

2.to sacrifice himself for the better of the team. the important thing is what happened after the unvote.

Now the actions that happened after the notbob unvote.

Crusher moves over the vote shortly after, who by the way had not posted anything b4 that ( i need to check)
darthe moves over who had not been posting previously
kronos moves over who had not beein posting previously.( i know i know i literally just read him town but dpr's comments struck a lightbulb)

To me this looks coordinated as hell. notbobs sus unvote is uneeded unless the scum actually have a plan. kizzclov still could have gotten lynched at this point but these 3 made it a certainty notbob would be lynched.

I find it odd how they don't post until notbob unvotes and then all of this happens extremely quickly, its pretty damn sketch.

Ok ok ok ok now it does not mean all 3 are wolfs by any means. but I bet there are at least two.

lynch order for me would be
Darthe- if im wrong I think he as the strongest chance to be scum without this argument.
crusher- with notbobs unvote it actually make his vote aweful and looks planned. 
Kronos- This could actually fit in crushers place. they could be t/w or w/w This is going with the plan I feel like the mafia tried to work out. or it is extremely coincidental. ps coincidences do not exist if they happen more than once. This happened with 3!! FREAKIN VOTES. 

I think eld could be a 3p still and dpr is really just spouting nonsense now so if the game is still going lynch there. and could sub him in for kronos, especially if darthe is a wolf. I remember him giving kronos a rand townread for nothing early on.

I honestly feel very good about everyone else, or at least have them above these people by a large margin. 

[seph]

ebwodp
on darthe its supposed to read if I am wrong on my gamesolve, he still has the best shot to be a wolf independently. I dont want that to get confused

[seph]

Back to the celebration...

 

And this is where the terrible, horrible, unstoppable and immeasurable diarrhea of the mouth begins.

 

Please keep in mind that at no point during all of the night's commentary does anyone notice or mention NB's suicide vote. That's funny, isn't it? I think so.

 

Bring in Kizzy...

I just did :) thanks for showing it to me in your posts

[Eldrick4221]

Ok. Your premise makes sense on the surface, except for one thing.

 

Why?

 

What could his sacrifice be achieving here? How is NotBob dying "better for the team"?