[Advanced] Old West Mischief Mafia - Town Wins!

[Cass]

So that lasted all of 5 mins.

 

Zander TM catchup likely incoming

 

 

 

 

 

 

Okay then...if I get in trouble I'm blaming it all on you

[v]Dice[/v]

Mmm...that felt good >:)

This bugs me. Not the vote, but the bold.

Trying to put responsibility for your actions on someone else, even jokingly, is a reason for suspicion.

 

 

 

This is actually a good point.

 

 

In that context?

 

What, if anything, do you make of the switch from the intended vote on Darthe?

 

 

 

1. I always vote Hallia on D1 - it's sort of my thing.  I've played here before - don't play often though.

 

2. What do you mean in what context - I thought I was pretty clear.  Passing the blame to someone else seems sketchy - even if it was a joke.

 

 

It was a joke about personality, not game though?

 

 

I know I said I'd only have an hour a day to dedicate but yeah this is what mafia does. I'm gonna fail my exams and I'm going to like it.

 

But are you gonna LUNCH DEM WOLVES???????????????????????????????

 

 

 

Why not indeed...

*Waits for Dice's response*


Why ever there though?

What response from dice about this would have been useful?

 

 

1. Public scum claim

2. Anything that felt off compared to what I've seen/expect of him as Town

 

I didn't get either

 

 

 

I think I can safely say from this post that Hally and Darthe aren't w/w again.

Her frustration with him starting the game like that feels genuine, and I don't see her having that frustration if they're teammates. Could be w/v on either side, though.

 

You read that as frustration? I read it as amusement.

 

 

SOOOOOOHBEARRR!

 

And mindmeld. But it's not alignment indicative afaict so why mention it?

Do you have thoughts on Eld?

 

 

 

[unvote] sounds good. night

Weak. Put you're votes back, this drive doesn't need to get eroded

 

 

Does it need to be pushed right now to the ignorance of all else?

[Cass]

 

I'm gonna take a stab at trying to explain why Cuth's unvote was confusing for me, and why it differs from my own.

 

Cuth's vote was for the same reason as mine. Because of liz's comment.

 

I have to speculate on why he unvoted, because he didn't answer me (or if he did I missed it). My speculation is that he unvoted because Liz asked him to step back and reconsider. He did so and also asked seph to (who immediately complied)

 

I didn't get the feeling that he suddenly thought Lizclov was town. I felt like he still suspected them, but didn't want a speed lynch. But his suspicion of them has seemed to vanish.

 

My reason for unvoting was because I felt like that particular post was getting way too much attention. When something like that happens, it tends to be on town. And is usually scum driven too. I don't have a super confident town read on Lizclov, but I feel like there's a good chance they are.

Ftr I thought the same about the unvote

 

 

Cuth's or Eld's?

 

 

hi cass :) sadly i literally got 1 iso done, which was liz's going to quickly run through mrs clovs again. one big thing in my notes dpr just touched on was liz literally has done 0 scumhunting.

this is from my ntoes

 she asks questions but never follows up itt. The one she claims she did about dice she has still not shared. Everyone knows town liz asks questions and likes them answered but for the amount of questions she has asked it wasn't until page 37 she actually gives her first reads list, where she town reads me with 0 explanation, and cuth for backing off of her, and dice which i don't remember seeing any progression itt on. The thing that bugs me with reads is most of them just seem to be thread consensus and she doesn't really give any real info or progression to any ofher reads.

 

Is this current for Liz's entire game?

 

 

The only difference between Dice and myself is that I have been around a lot more to address on Liz, and yet they Town read him for it and wolf read me when we are exactly the same amount of adamant about the same things. Don't you think that's interesting?

 

 

darthe i think they town read you yo. or liz did a little bit ago

 

Last I got was watching Darthe, Liz Town on Dice

 

GDI I hate being behind

 

What are you making of it/Dice, Darthe?

[Cass]

If any of you have time/knowledge can you fill me in on whether or not Kronos has provided opinions and if everyone has checked in?

 

*Begs*

[seph]

cass that was liz this game. look while your reading, i just don't see any progression from her or gamesolving.

[seph]

If any of you have time/knowledge can you fill me in on whether or not Kronos has provided opinions and if everyone has checked in?

 

*Begs*

not that i rmember, he might have said a few things around page 40. i would have to iso him again.

[Cass]

 

Official Vote Count

 

Darthe Wade (1): Cass

Miss Kizzy Clov (2): Dice, Darthe

Hallia Cogburn (1): Kronos

Eldrick the Kid (1): DPR

 

Not Voting: Sooh, NotBob, WiFi, Hallia, Tiinker, Spoof, Crusher, Cuth, Miss Kizzy Clov, Seph, Eldrick

 

 

With 16 alive it takes 9 to string em up!

Mod note: No deadline has been set for D1 at this time. Once everyone has checked in a deadline and countdown timer will be added to the vote counts.

Is this cass vote on me the carry over from real early?

 

Also, we had no reason to take pressure off liz. Fos to both the new guy for asking for unvotes, mrs clov came in right after and began posting much bigger swathes of content

 

 

Yes, and it can totally stay there for now 

Isn't bold a good thing? 

 

Do you have other opinions on Cuth?

 

He strikes me as a'ight for now.

 

 

@Cuth

 

Can you accept that people play differently? Not everything is black and white and not every person who is town is going to follow a certain guideline, nor is someone who is scum. Just because you don't feel something should be done in a game as town, doesn't mean that everyone's going to feel that way. Liz and I are doing things that are going to try to get us intel, and we play for the long game not just a quick lynch on D1 and hope it's scum. So by saying who do you think is our scum team we can look at that person and figure out if we agree or disagree. I get what you all are saying about cases I really do. But how can we case anyone when you all are attacking us and not even giving us a chance. We've been on defense all day, and it's kind of hard to switch to offense when every other post we have to defend ourselves because someone doesn't agree with our playstyle.

This just sounds like a bad defense of Lizabeth. Nobody is arguing we all play differently. 100% True. This early in the game as town I can only read what people say and comment on if I find the reasoning congruent with my own ideas in fininding scum or not. No voting patterns and no flips and for me no meta as it it pertains to Lizabeth. I see nothing to be gained by a question that produces pure guesses and hypothetical what ifs at this point. Who do you think is scum? Who do you think is town? Those are questions that produce guesses that are usefull later on once more info is available. But this question in my opinion as town does nothing but take us away from finding scum.

 

 

I. Like. this. post.

 

 

 

 

Official Vote Count

 

Darthe Wade (1): Cass

Miss Kizzy Clov (2): Dice, Darthe

Hallia Cogburn (1): Kronos

Eldrick the Kid (1): DPR

 

Not Voting: Sooh, NotBob, WiFi, Hallia, Tiinker, Spoof, Crusher, Cuth, Miss Kizzy Clov, Seph, Eldrick

 

 

With 16 alive it takes 9 to string em up!

Mod note: No deadline has been set for D1 at this time. Once everyone has checked in a deadline and countdown timer will be added to the vote counts.

Is this cass vote on me the carry over from real early?

 

Also, we had no reason to take pressure off liz. Fos to both the new guy for asking for unvotes, mrs clov came in right after and began posting much bigger swathes of content

I'm struggling to see what the issue is with that.

 

Pressure is relieved. MrsClov comes in with content. The way you word your post makes it sound like this should be a reason for her/them to be scummy, and I don't see it.

 

 

Mindmeld... ?

 

But it gives me heebies. 

 

 

Thanks Eldrick!

 

Are you thinking that between Darthe and Hallia that one is wolfie?

No I'm thinking they aren't both wolf, by comparing this game to last where they were.

 

They could also both be town.

 

 

How does 'NOT AGAIN' from hallia in relation to a random game start claim from Darthe = not WW. Comparing what and how?

 

 

eldrick and seph are town

 

i ~guarantee you this

 

Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy? *wails*

 

Serious question because I haven't seen TOWNSETH come charging out and Eld's early posting still gives me the willies.

 

Heh. Willies.

 

Though ftr this bold certainty from Cuth is tone I've seen him use as Town.

[Cass]

cass that was liz this game. look while your reading, i just don't see any progression from her or gamesolving.

 

I am looking while I'm reading, trust me. Haven't seen any yet either, was waiting. You had the crystal ball :P

[The Crusher]

Okay, I"m caught up and here are some thoughts.

 

Darthe: Darthe's only real contribution to the thread at this point has been pointless fluff and picking up on a joke post I made about RVS voting him and then running down the tunnel like there's a pile of gold at the end of it. He could be doing this as town (I once played in a game where he argued someone was scum because of the way they punctuated their sentences...) because he's pretty full of himself and pigheaded as town. I generally find him to be frustrating to play with for that reason. I'm also keeping in mind that Seph claims to be able to read him well, and right now I have Seph in my town column.

 

But I don't put it past him to do it as scum either. I read part of his last game where he was scum and he was pretty bold and in people's faces, pretty much running with the "hahaha, i can do whatever I want!" It's also very easy to make a push by just quoting things and saying "this is so wolfy" without actually explaining what it is about that post that is actually wolfy. And he ignores questions as scum or as town, but I'd like someone else to push him to put his thoughts on record so he can't just hide behind "everyone thought they were wolfy" and people can actually track what his progression of thoughts are.

 

I want to know more about what @Hallia and Seph in particular expect from him when he's scum.

 

(by the way, I'm going to continue to vehemently disagree with the mindset that town should only focus on one day at  a time in a game. Thinking ahead does not mean locking in future actions, what it does mean is exploring things in real time so that you can find actual scum and/or go back the next day and challenge people if their progression sucks. It forces people to actually describe their motivations, rather than "oh well, we'll just sort it out tomorrow". I've never understood the mentality of "oh we can't look ahead from D1, which is only slightly worse than the "d1 is useless" mentality.)

 

You can call me biased, but I agree with MrsClov that Cuth's progression on us has seemed to be townie. And I was reading him as town when he was tunneling on us anyway. Same thing with Seph (who is still reading us as scum) and Eldrick (who MrsClov and I don't totally agree on for the record).

 

MrsClov reads Hallia as townie but I don't know how to read Hallia.

 

I'm currently reading Sooh as townie. I've only played one game with her before where she was scum and I was town (FF7). I scum read her early because of the way that she was shading me (basically just throwing out suggestions about me being scum without backing anything up) and then i thought she was townie in her responses to me in that when I challenged her she stuck to her read but seemed open and honest in the way that she responded to me. Eventually came around to realizing she was scum over N1 and we wound up lynching her on D2.

 

In this game, though, I'm reading her posts as being open and honest BEFORE being challenged. I don't know her scum range, but at the moment I'm reading her as town.

 

My current don't really trust list (aside from Darthe) are notbob, DPR, and Crusher. Notbob seems to be hedging a lot of bets. I've already called out DPR on some posts that don't read as genuine to me, including his statement about Eldrick being "wound up" (he never did answer my question on that one, just commented on Eldrick's answer I believe). And Crusher...I'm going to reread him. But he seems to be taking the easy route at the moment as well.

 

Tinker has done nothing to explore anything at all in the game and then pops in to place an easy vote on us. If he is who I think he is (from skype) then I believe that he's part of the whole "d1 is useless" crowd, which I find annoying but not alignment indicative, so he's someone I'd like to see pushed. There's absolutely no reason for anybody to say at this point that there's no information to work with in the thread.

So you really don't trust the folks that think your scum? You think I'm taking the easy route because I think you are scum? I gave reads on other players, listed Eldrick in my top three and gave my likely towns. But yeah, I'm taking the easy route. I woke up to 20+ pages to read. On what ever page this post is from. I play mostly from my phone so I'm slow moving. Well, err, uhh and fat. T

[The Crusher]

 

 

 

^lynch it first, thank me later. Im simply right, and you can follow me or you can apologize later when its proven.

 

Again, and I really want you to answer this question. And if you don't remember, we danced this tango the last time we played together so I'll remind you (in case you forgot) that I'm not going to let you get away with evasion or a flimsy answer.

 

What happens if you get your magic wish and MrsClov and I are lynched. We're going to flip town. What happens then?

 

And don't say "you won't flip town" because that's a nonanswer. So humour me.

Sure. I've got a bad read on notbob so I'll analyze your train, mostly ignore you but reread mrs clov, and assess from there. Prob notbob given current info

could i convince you to lynch notbob today

 

i think he's the scummiest person itt and we can evaluate lizclov based off that better if he flips red

 

given that i think you're town, it would be in our interests to unite, and i'm never going to lynch lizclov today

 

what do you say

I can read Jetscode very well and he rounds out my top three with Lizclov and Eldrick. Let me finish catching up and I will give thoughts.

[Cass]

Putting NotBob aside for now.

 

 

 

Ok I'm done.
Cloviz- With no meta on Liz I got her solid as scum. Purely for the fact that regardless of now, mid game or later that question serves no purpose in town finding scum. I see it purely as a confusion and muddle the thread question. I also thought she got a little heated as she defended but without knowing her not willing to put much weight to it. * just got third breakfast, be back in a while, yay!*

It has its uses after a scum flip. It doesn't now.

Guessing who might be this early in the game has no value not time in any way. Getting a feeling you riding both sides of fence. Someone mentioned you flip flopped on Cloviz already. Can't remember who. You get a null to scu lean. Don't thank me. You earned it.

 

 

Mindmeld again. 

 

 

o.o I decided to stop on page 9 last night, and now there's 30!?  /wrist

 

Catching up

 

*rushes for bandages* <3

 

 

Ok I'm done.
Cloviz- With no meta on Liz I got her solid as scum. Purely for the fact that regardless of now, mid game or later that question serves no purpose in town finding scum. I see it purely as a confusion and muddle the thread question. I also thought she got a little heated as she defended but without knowing her not willing to put much weight to it. * just got third breakfast, be back in a while, yay!*

3rd breakfast was everything it should have been.

Already did Eldrick above.

Cull and Seph are my null to town leans 1and 2. Both are pretty much thinking along the same lines I am. Both had very good lines of questioning.

Pirate- I loves him. So far I got him null to slight town lean. Like the stance he took on Cloviz and agree with his reasoning. Yet, best way to read this filthy pirate is wait till he gets pressured and starts defending. The more he slips into "boozy trolling, how dare you vote me? " mode the more likely he is scum. Just ask a big brother brother. I will let you know later.

Darthe- clown prince of mafia, I like his play and his pressure. His silly early claim no different than me benching after a meal. Not pleasant but also not surprising.

Jetscode- just saw he started playing. If he is kicking in doors and pressuring people that is him scum hunting. If he starts tossing illogical concepts into the mix we kill him with the swiftness.

 

 

I like the openness of this post / free meta.

 

Agree with most of this but to here don't feel as strong about Liz's question in itself/Darthe's pressure.

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count: (Unchanged)

 

Darthe Wade (2): Cass, Eldrick

 

Miss Kizzy Clov (3): Dice, Darthe, DPR

 

NotBob Cassidy (1): Cuth

 

Wildfire Oakley (1): NotBob

 

Eldrick the Kid (1): Hallia

 

Not Voting: Sooh, WiFi, Tiinker, Spoof, Crusher, Miss Kizzy Clov, Seph, Kronos

 

With 16 alive it takes 9 to string em up!

 

Deadline for D1 is Tuesday, 2/14/17 at 9:00 AM MST

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

 

 

@Casstastic - what are your thoughts on the diceter at the moment?

Trying to get an early handle on him. Can see his jump at you guys coming from either alignment; initial comment wrt Darthe felt possi-sheepy/shade; wondering/waiting for his response about the Tonto thing.

 

 

Spoof answered the questions. Crusher avoided them. Someone else commented on that they should be included, but didn't answer them.

IIRC Crusher answered on a similar level.

Cuth commented on being excluded, didn't need to reply to the questions I initially posted imo.

I don't see why not. Your reason for asking includes him AFAICT.

? Can you elaborate?

My reason for asking was because I've never played with them, it had nothing to do with Cuth.

I wasn't aware that you were familiar with Cuth. They are all 3 new to me, and so I thought they should all 3 answer. That you didn't think Cuth should be included was weird.

I'm pretty sure I'd explained before you made the Spoof/Crusher/Someone (Cuth) comment.

 

Why weird if you're reading me Town?

 

What was your point/alignment thoughts about the 3 in your post? Do you have a problem with any of it now?

You clearly did explain that you knew him before. You were the one that invited him. I had just simply forgotten that. I tend to not remember who knows who. So as far as I knew you didn't know him.

 

Weird doesn't equal scum. Town read doesn't equal lock townot. This question is bad.

 

I'm getting a slight scum vibe from Cuth. Can't put why into words right now. Other 2 are still null.

The question you call bad didn't matter so much beyond getting you to respond to me. It and the line above were highlighting what I'm reading as inconsistencies.

And you didn't really answer the real questions at the bottom.

 

Why did you comment on other player's reactions to those questions? If you had alignment-related thoughts about them I don't see what they were - ie the post just feels like noting, with no conclusions - so the noting seems redundant.

It was more about learning about the new players and their playstyle than it was gauging their alignment, as I thought you were doing as well.

 

I gave you my reads on the 3 players in question. I will again.

 

Cuth. I see potential scum for backing off his vote on Lizclov, even though it felt like he still suspected them. His waiting to see who votes after the train went down feels like gauging if he should vote again or not.

 

Spoof. No read. Has he even posted content?

 

Crusher. No read yet. He has some information now to look at, but haven't actually pinned down a read on him yet. I'll ISO him today and see what's up.

 

Which is effectively what I said the first time, which "didn't answer your question"

[Eldrick4221]

I was gonna MQ the handful of posts I wanted to reply to, but my kindle is acting up. So...one at a time on my phone it is.

[seph]

I have a nagging feeling that lizclov is town everytime I read mrsclov... there are a few things i like about liz tone is 1, but her gameplay doesn't make up for it. And I know tone isn't the easiest thing to fake, but once people learn how to its hard to use it for or against them so i am trying not to let it factor in my decision to much.

Atm I don't really see me going to vote anyone but eldrick or lizclov. Tink is someone I wouldn't mind lyching but its a much bigger gamble and less reward.

BAHH I really think there is a wolf in eldrick/livclov.... [v] eldrick [/v]

going to read notbob then go to bed i think.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

Actually iirc dice was a joke vote too.

 

Dice? Current read on Lizclov and why.

My vote was never a joke. And its staying put.

Recap on why, please?

Dont like the "haVE TO CONFER ON dARTHE BUT CAN VOTE dICE WITHOUT IT) sorry caps lock sux.

 

havent been a fan of a lot of both their posts. tone has been hard and i CAN see why some would call it aggressive and defensive even when i was the only vote. the beating a rug comment still irks me as i take it as a poke at me that was totally wrong. I dont really care about the partners question but i havent liked the repetitive open ure mind look at others posts.

 

they havent really been in danger of being lynched the votes seem to hit 3 or 4 and stall.

 

so I think they may be scum. I could be wrong I could be right but thats where im going.

Bold is the only point on the list that isn't null imo.

 

The conferring about Darthe and voting you is null in the sense that they are getting used to hydraing. Also Cass persuaded her to act alone fwiw.

 

They have been aggressive and defensive, but they have been attacked. Everyone is aggressive or defensive in that situation.

 

Train stalling at a few votes is a "maybe something's there" point, but not by itself. Also there was a lot of heat headed their way even if it wasn't backed by votes. I wouldn't say it was stalled.

[Eldrick4221]

 

I'm gonna take a stab at trying to explain why Cuth's unvote was confusing for me, and why it differs from my own.

 

Cuth's vote was for the same reason as mine. Because of liz's comment.

 

I have to speculate on why he unvoted, because he didn't answer me (or if he did I missed it). My speculation is that he unvoted because Liz asked him to step back and reconsider. He did so and also asked seph to (who immediately complied)

 

I didn't get the feeling that he suddenly thought Lizclov was town. I felt like he still suspected them, but didn't want a speed lynch. But his suspicion of them has seemed to vanish.

 

My reason for unvoting was because I felt like that particular post was getting way too much attention. When something like that happens, it tends to be on town. And is usually scum driven too. I don't have a super confident town read on Lizclov, but I feel like there's a good chance they are.

ooook so eldrick what is this post, pretty much everything you phrased is a misconception. Before i get into it I want to state that I have really been going back and fourth on you, and as mafia I doubt you would be putting this much work in, as to stand out.

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1st bold- actually you had a pretty weak sheep of cuth. You stayed out of the entirety of the conversation and once over followed the thread flow.

 

2nd bold- is actually the reason I stated in the thread of why I though Cuth unvoted, I don't think you once posted your thoughts about it itt.

 

3rd bold- I find extremely hard to believe. unless I am not remembering correctly the only people itt at that time was myself, cuth, you, mrsclov, liz, and possibly darthe. You were actually the last vote on her, and your unvote seemed more panicky becuase you were confused and did not know what to do...

 

I am going to iso you before but i still keep going back and fourth. this may be the most disturbing thing for me you have posted though.

 

Agreeing on a point is essentially sleeping, but town does it too. If a point makes enough sense, you agree with it. That's how people get figured out. This is a team game, after all.

 

You may have been the one to explain why he unvoted, but that doesn't make it a good reason. I don't like that he unvoted while looking like he intended to revote after it picked up again. I don't like that you had the same vibe.

 

You don't have to belive me. I don't have to be ITT to think something over. It did it while I was sleeping, and came back in with new insight.

[seph]

@cuth can you explain what the problem you had with notbob? i didn't really see anything in his iso.
also im going to be now. might check in while lying in bed

[Eldrick4221]

seph i encourage you to come to sydney and jump off the Sydney Harbour Bridge

 

 

 

 

well? you gonna do it seph? I encourage you.

This didn't have the intended effect. It looks like fun :P

[Eldrick4221]

 

That makes MORE sense. But as I said before so many people are hung up on that post that it feels too easy.

 

 

That's because it's obvious.

 

They can't all be scum, now can they?

Of course they can't all be scum. That wasn't the point.

 

Point is that usually when a bunch of people converge on a single point like this, it's on town. I've never seen it happen on scum. And a good portion of the time it's led by scum, and they get town to pile on.

 

Cuth is the one that started pushing this point. Darthe and you have persisted on it.

 

I feel like that's what's going on here. And if they flip town you guys will be suspect.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

 

 

Actually iirc dice was a joke vote too.

 

Dice? Current read on Lizclov and why.

My vote was never a joke. And its staying put.

Recap on why, please?

Dont like the "haVE TO CONFER ON dARTHE BUT CAN VOTE dICE WITHOUT IT) sorry caps lock sux.

 

havent been a fan of a lot of both their posts. tone has been hard and i CAN see why some would call it aggressive and defensive even when i was the only vote. the beating a rug comment still irks me as i take it as a poke at me that was totally wrong. I dont really care about the partners question but i havent liked the repetitive open ure mind look at others posts.

 

 

they havent really been in danger of being lynched the votes seem to hit 3 or 4 and stall.

 

so I think they may be scum. I could be wrong I could be right but thats where im going.

 

 

 

 

 

i get that you're trying to create interaction

 

and i'm fine with that and that's great, really it is

 

but i'm not fine with your reactions to any pressure on you

 

if you know you're not scum then you should never start asking "who would my partners be?"

 

that makes no sense as a question that town asks

Read what I wrote above.

 

And I hate when people make statmements like "that makes no sense as a question that town asks"

 

Just because you don't understand the reason for the question doesn't mean it doesn't serve a purpose.

no legitimately

 

if you are town

 

you know you're town, yes?

 

therefore that question does not make sense to ask

 

because you'd know the assumption behind it is fundamentally flawed

 

you know you would flip town if you got lynched, so why are you saying people should 'look at potential partners' so that the game is more winnable from d2 on?

 

you know you'd going to flip town

 

you know you wouldn't have any partners and so anything said about partners and you would be totally invalid after you flip town

 

you've pretty much convinced me that that was a legitimate slip

Mind meld with the first bold Cuth, but the second gives me pause - how is that a slip?

 

'Who are my partners then?' is a question I've used in frustration as Town and as distraction as Scum, I can see it going either way here from Liz. Also ftr afaik neither Liz nor Mrs Clov are inexperienced mafia players - that part of your #847 is sticking with me so please explain?

what bothers me is that he says hes convinced it was a slip yet he has now unvoted them and said he wont vote them today iirc

I actually read the unvote as genuine and likely +ev for Town regardless of any flip, haven't got to the 'won't vote them today' if it exists.

 

Not fully caught up but got to the bottom of p. 25 on phone while watching TV. Everyone's in bed now, plan is to try and keep up with current stuff before I go back and pull out anything that stands out in re-read.

 

@cass i answered you about tonto....thoughts? or did i miss them somewhere?

 

Haven't posted them but read your answers on phone while watching TV. Didn't give me a lean on you either way but did make me lol

 

Essentially had/have concerns your Town read/lean on me was possibly too early. Still not sure I've had enough content for you to feel good about me, some thoughts of possi-buddying on your part. Am aware that this is all self-centered. There's a recent post in my MQ that strikes me as TOWNDICETONE, nothing else has stuck with me wrt you for now.

 

FTR Not fully caught up but got to the bottom of p. 25 on phone while watching TV. Everyone's in bed now, plan is to try and keep up with current stuff before I go back and pull out anything that stands out in re-read.

 

 

I'm gonna take a stab at trying to explain why Cuth's unvote was confusing for me, and why it differs from my own.

 

Cuth's vote was for the same reason as mine. Because of liz's comment.

 

I have to speculate on why he unvoted, because he didn't answer me (or if he did I missed it). My speculation is that he unvoted because Liz asked him to step back and reconsider. He did so and also asked seph to (who immediately complied)

 

I didn't get the feeling that he suddenly thought Lizclov was town. I felt like he still suspected them, but didn't want a speed lynch. But his suspicion of them has seemed to vanish.

 

My reason for unvoting was because I felt like that particular post was getting way too much attention. When something like that happens, it tends to be on town. And is usually scum driven too. I don't have a super confident town read on Lizclov, but I feel like there's a good chance they are.

ooook so eldrick what is this post, pretty much everything you phrased is a misconception. Before i get into it I want to state that I have really been going back and fourth on you, and as mafia I doubt you would be putting this much work in, as to stand out.

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1st bold- actually you had a pretty weak sheep of cuth. You stayed out of the entirety of the conversation and once over followed the thread flow.

 

2nd bold- is actually the reason I stated in the thread of why I though Cuth unvoted, I don't think you once posted your thoughts about it itt.

 

3rd bold- I find extremely hard to believe. unless I am not remembering correctly the only people itt at that time was myself, cuth, you, mrsclov, liz, and possibly darthe. You were actually the last vote on her, and your unvote seemed more panicky becuase you were confused and did not know what to do...

 

I am going to iso you before but i still keep going back and fourth. this may be the most disturbing thing for me you have posted though.

In isolation I don't find it disturbing as much as confusing.

 

I don't have much issue with the bolds in themselves, can buy an unvote from heebies because my own stance on LizMClov wavered when Cuth, you, Dice, Darthe, Eldrick all jumped in.

 

The underlined seems like strong wording for that situation to me though.

 

Also noted the easy agreement with Cuth.

 

Overall like the pressure here from Seth, even if I don't have the same problems with the post.

 

*Watches for ISO with popcorn*

 

 

 

mrs clov, who do you and liz want to lynch atm?

Undecided. We're going back and forth on a couple of people and trying to narrow it down. I know Liz wanted to take a closer look at Notbob before we decide anything.

@Liz/Linds could one of you break down the specific whos and whys for consideration?

Conservative with (serious) votes as a hydra I can get, vague with opinions less so. If you're Town I need to see thought processes evolving as each of your brains work ITT, not just the slot's ultimate decisions after private discussion. Prettty pleeeease?

 

 

 

If you're scum I'd appreciate the same :P

 

 

 

 

Dont like the "haVE TO CONFER ON dARTHE BUT CAN VOTE dICE WITHOUT IT) sorry caps lock sux.

havent been a fan of a lot of both their posts. tone has been hard and i CAN see why some would call it aggressive and defensive even when i was the only vote. the beating a rug comment still irks me as i take it as a poke at me that was totally wrong. I dont really care about the partners question but i havent liked the repetitive open ure mind look at others posts.

 

they havent really been in danger of being lynched the votes seem to hit 3 or 4 and stall.

so I think they may be scum. I could be wrong I could be right but thats where im going.

@Dice

I'm really sorry you took that as a poke at you. It really wasn't intended to be that way and it was very bad wording on my part.

 

I'll give you that we were reacting to only 3 or 4 votes. But in the moment I had no clue how many votes were on us, and it felt like a lot more. Especially because several people were kind of going at us at once whether they were voting us or not.

@seph and clovette :D i dont mind u being defensive at 3 or 4 votes 24 hrs in. My problem is how early you got defensive. im not going back and hunting it down but my memory says it started when i and only i had voted you. defensive at 3 or 4? fine at 1 or 2? makes me think ure a scum power role when i look at everything else

This is the Dice post - make it posts - that seem Town Dice tone to me. The only thing standing out is the hedgey bold but the assertive jump about power role and belligerence is real-sounding and fits what I know of recent play with Dice.

 

 

 

yes

The reason I was saying the contradiction idea was meh, was because cass was actually encouraging her to vote without he partners consent, it wasn't like she went and did it willy nilly. ha willy nilly

Lol'd

 

WOW! look at that! I encouraged you and you didnt do it!

 

 

 

 

and no poisonous snakes....too much traffic...

First line here seems more brazen-stubborn than I associate with Dice as scum. All of it screams PITA Blue :D Meta's outdated so someone correct me if they've seen him sarcastic scum.

Not fully caught up but got to the bottom of p. 25 on phone while watching TV. Everyone's in bed now, plan is to try and keep up with current stuff before I go back and pull out anything that stands out in re-read.

 

 

Spoilered this super long quite cuz it's needed for context.

 

You said "not caught up yet" a LOT in this post. Not sure why you want it known so badly, but the persistence is noted.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

Why not indeed...

*Waits for Dice's response*

 

 

Why ever there though?

What response from dice about this would have been useful?

1. Public scum claim

2. Anything that felt off compared to what I've seen/expect of him as Town

 

I didn't get either

 

Ok. So it was a personal tone read thing. That makes sense.

 

I didn't see how a response from that would be useful.

[Kaylee]

Official Vote Count:

 

Darthe Wade (2): Cass, Eldrick

 

Miss Kizzy Clov (3): Dice, Darthe, DPR

 

NotBob Cassidy (1): Cuth

 

Wildfire Oakley (1): NotBob

 

Eldrick the Kid (2): Hallia, seph

 

Not Voting: Sooh, WiFi, Tiinker, Spoof, Crusher, Miss Kizzy Clov, Kronos

 

With 16 alive it takes 9 to string em up!

 

Deadline for D1 is Tuesday, 2/14/17 at 9:00 AM MST 

[Eldrick4221]

How does 'NOT AGAIN' from hallia in relation to a random game start claim from Darthe = not WW. Comparing what and how?

 

Comparing to how she handled him doing it in the previous game.

 

He did it last game. She defended it as "Darthe being Darthe" and proceeded to defend him when people thought it was scummy.

 

I read this time as frustration/annoyance that he was doing it again. (She later agreed it was something akin to humor, not remembering the exact word, but it's about how I perceived it not her actual reason)

 

I read the post as genuine and so thought they weren't teammates again because of it. Good chance it's coming from town!Hally too.

[Eldrick4221]

I have a nagging feeling that lizclov is town everytime I read mrsclov... there are a few things i like about liz tone is 1, but her gameplay doesn't make up for it. And I know tone isn't the easiest thing to fake, but once people learn how to its hard to use it for or against them so i am trying not to let it factor in my decision to much.

 

Atm I don't really see me going to vote anyone but eldrick or lizclov. Tink is someone I wouldn't mind lyching but its a much bigger gamble and less reward.

 

BAHH I really think there is a wolf in eldrick/livclov.... [v] eldrick [/v]

 

going to read notbob then go to bed i think.

Well there likely isn't. I'm town. Lizclov is probably town.

 

Why do you think there is?

[Eldrick4221]

Also why me over them?