Perrin & folk were left waiting for a bit, but it would have taken a ter'angreal of communication, save those might not exist, Sammael-Sevanna and Mesaana-Alviarin, to communicate they were to be let enter. You work it out!

I believe that seems incongruent, then start with what are all the things incongruent, and have thoughts on how it could be explained, check the thoughts gel with other things with Masema.

(Edit: I'm no specialist on Masema, and I've done this sort of thing before, It's nicers for you... I'd just through out Graendal;) ) Good Luck!

So puzzle it out then. What is written is what happened. There's a score on the background, outside, wherever, that we don't know about. You can then deduce something we don't know.

There seems to be a inconsistency, but in reality there isn't. Facts are facts, aside from typos I've never known RJ to put in any errors, he had it worked out. You can work it out.

Sure Masema's madness was progressive. When he and the Shienarans left the lot in the Dragon Reborn he was just moderately crazy, ie Perrin didn't like him for instance. Fires of Heaven, he evidently still allowed people around who wore weapons, probably not in his presense, it would have gotten worse. But remember the vision Masema said he had had of the saviour, I don't remember in which book. I just think he was a tool and was played as a tool by one of the Forsaken, dunno who. Masema was awfully reluctant to enter gateways, but when they meant he could stay where he needed to be, in his own mind, he didn't mind it at all. I think he was mad, but it was also methodical madness and Compulsive madness.

It's not inconsistency, you can learn more about what happened behind the scenes by what he did (Awfully complicated, yea, but It's what I've done)

Edit: so something is incongruent: it's not a flaw, it's a fact, it mandates something that has happened behind the scenes.

Clearly all the Darkfriends of the whole age are kept there in limbo, they are tortured to be sure the knife doesn't turn in the hand, one cannot talk any Myrddraal, Draghkar, or Trolloc to turn side. They are absolutely realiable for the Dark One which is what the Dark One wants of his servants, as Verin speculated. All of them, since the Dark One never willingly relinquishes a hold he has. Perhaps, I should like to think, Verin was excluded, Ingtar was excluded, because of how they died, but the Dark One has not pity, has no mercy, will make the most of the tools he has. And most of the souls would have been left to torment until they were needed in the Last Battle. I don't know where the bodies came from, the Dark One's influence might have help grow them.

Of course Trollocs, Draghkar, Myrddraal are close enough in look to humans to think they required human souls. Since Darkhounds required wolf souls. Perhaps other Shadowspawn had other animal souls.

This is absolutely horrific, but I think that was how it was. (And I think Kari al'Thor, Verin Mathwin and Ingtar of House Shinowa found the Light)

Well, then I was wrong. Sylvie was Lanfear.

I have only one other tidbit to offer, I won't create a topic for it. Had been wondering why Ishamael made all the effort to torture the souls, aside from general evilness, it occured to me he was preparing the souls in order to prepare them to be in Trolloc or Myrddraal bodies. Or other Shadowspawn. Shadowspawn must have souls too, it strikes me someone tortured for demi-eternity might embrace the chance of being even in a Shadowspawn body. The origin of that thought process is wolves becoming Darkhounds, there must be a process there too, though the only think I know is that Slayers seemed to bend over a killed wolf.

Edit: demi-eternity is nicer than semi-eternity.

And lets cut the bush, it be anyone else, it is Mesaana, Semirhage would have been in Seachan lands, Graendal in Arad Doman, Moghenian, although she generally learned of many things, she leaned of it next book, that leaved Mesaana, the one who someone stated was proud of the trap in the stone of Tear, Graendal was contemptous of her also for making claims she could not deliver on. True, there's no Lanfear on this, but why should she have been involved in everything. And why woud Mesaana have talked of her dealings with Lanfear.

Lanfear is so supreme or confident in her power, she always gives hints. Like in that netherland, Rand and Loyal and Hurin, she was too obviously atractive, and she called those monsters. I don't believe Lanfear would have been able to speak so the Egwene. And she spoke to her earlier, before the chapter Ter'aran'rhiod. But In that chapter, I can't see it was her, rather an unknown Forsaken.

Sylvie didn't dive herself away, save thinking bad of Ishamael. She was Mesaana, not Lanfear, she has more patience.

Grandal could's be she, otherwise she could, but she has interest otherwere.

Now Lanfear through her pride seems to always give herself afay, if one is looking. Mesaana, obviously didn't- She was perfectly camouclaged. Lanfrear seemed to give herself away every 1 in 5 things she said, but Mesaana did not.

This makes sense on the Dragon Reborn book, perhaps I not recount everything it makes sense for.

And there's the later mention, I don't remember by which female Forsaken, Graendal?, that she he always seemed the weeked, she had been proud of the trap in the Stone, but she couln'dt deliver. Whether she could deliver ot not, I think Silvie was an unknown forsaken i.e. Mesaana, and ....

I just listeneded to the audiobook The Dragon Reborn chapter Tel'Aran'Rhiod, and it struck me that was Mesaana. Yea, it couldn't have been out of character Moghedien, since she learnt of events in the next book. That was Mesaana, I just say so!

Mesaana. I know Sylvie is often thought as Lanfear, but Sylvie's behaviaur always seemed beyond Lanfear. She was more arrogant. I then thought it Graendal, as much as I would attribute everything female Graendal, she has her interest in the west. I can't believe a major theory wasn't she wasn't Mesaana. It's just her. Of course she wasn't introduced yet, but she could do it. And she ended up ruling the tower.

Been intending to get something by Waughan by the way, last made sure I had Sibelius's violin conserto, with it came Nielsen's such, and Mozart's violin sonatas, and something by Balarkiev, just as something by everyone on a broader sence ( next more by Bellini and something by Banchieri).

The Wheel of Time interpretation is not worse for you sharing this with us. I would share something, but in have but the inspiration. Do!

Do do and share here!

Flow my tears, fall from your springs,

exil'd for ever: let me mourn

Where night's black bird her sad infamy sins,

There let me live forlorn.

Down, vain lights, shine you no more.

No nights are dark enough for those

That in despair their last fortunes deplore,

Light doth but shame disclose.

Never may my woes be relieved,

Since pity is fled.

And tears, and sighs, and groans my weary days

Of all joys have deprived.

From the highest spire of contentment,

My fortune is thrown,

And fear, and grief, and pain for my deserts

Are my hopes since hope is gone.

Hark, you shadows, that in darkness dwell,

Learn to contemn light,

Happy, happy they that in hell

feel not the world's despite.

(Second Booke of Songes, 1600, no. 2)

It's

Perhaps they'll do a wonderfull job

Simon & Garfunkel - Bridge Over Troubled Waters

The Last to Die - Bruce Sprinsteen

It's good news!

I'm White.

• I think Harriet made a statement that the legal wranglments were done for now. And I don't share your vision that the Wheel of Time should become a money making machine. It is what it is. Nowhere in loving a series is a wish that it is raped for someone else to make money. And then the audacity to, the widow. I accept your opinion as an opinion, but you dude have better things to do with your life.

Just training my crazy, but it's true, one should be patient. Could even call it a little poem ;) .

Patience, p<tience, abd stull more patience. (I don't know what gets by the way) vut patience, abd vut in the greek way where v in an en an and a u is a i. I by the way still want penies, but guess production takes what it takes. Penises, penises, penises. one must make a point. Penises!

Yea, point exactly!