Yes I have to say RTE is the hill I'm willing to die on. If he is town, gg everyone, I just don't see how we can pursue other players while we have his behaviour in front of us. If we lose, I'd rather lose eliminating him than giving him the benefit of the doubt. A thousand apologies if you are town, but my read of RTE is so strong not much I can do about it.

So we all agree, including at least one wolf, that RTE is most likely a wolf?

So why are you pushing Cairos? Just when I thought I only had to choose between Cairos and Turin. *flips table* Oh lol, so much for nice calm easy end game. *rights table again and bangs head on it*

Post 653 where RTE acts as wolfy as physically possible. Bystanders are shocked at the brazenness of play. This gentleman obviously needs to carry his equipment about in a wheelbarrow, they are so big.

And are you honestly saying you read D1, and were more suspicious of Cairos than RTE? Gud don't do this to me, lol.

I guess the watcher knew that the wolves knew that they would be watching Verb, and the wolves knew that the watcher knew that they knew knew that the watcher knew... Basically they drank the poison.

So why Cairos. Dude has literally said next to nothing. And I'm not saying you are wrong, just asking where your suspicions are coming from.

Definitely we need to hear from everyone, and this doesnt need to be bad tempered. We are playing a game. It is end game. Both sides have a really good chance of winning. Be cool, I don't think we have a lot of new arguments to make. We are really just digesting it all down. Everyone is suspicious to an extent. If town don't win I think we have given it a good shot. I think the wolves in this final phase are keeping it tricky. Remember, one of RTE/Turin must be a wolf to all intents and purposes, if not both. Let us just relax and take our time. The worst is over.

Indeed, why would you? This does seem like the rhetorical slam dunk you seem to think it is. I mean genuinely, explain it to me. I'm not pushing you or pressurising you, I am really trying to give you room to make your case.

So it is a coincidence that fished vig and then doubled down on that and Verbal was number 1 train? An oversight that you made a big deal about not eliminating Z without first checking if he was the Vig but was recommending Cairos without caring? This I admit is also slightly a point in Cairos's favour but not so much yours. Can you explain any of your behaviour? Why in D1 you kept replying "Heavy is looking wolfy" every time I exchanged comments with Lenlo that we now know was a wolf? I mean, give us anything that explains how you can possibly be town.

As painful as it is to say, that where I am too, though I will be really annoyed if you are just buddying up to me for a wolf win when I had so many super intelligent suspicions of you. But I think this is just the more obvious solution. Cairos's voting was always exactly where it benefitted the wolves most. Again it seems too much of a smoking gun, though yes I'd love to be more certain about it than that.

Yeah and I'm not sure we can put it down to coincidence that RTE was vig fishing, Verb was one of the ones to confront him about it and the wolves get a train on him D1. I don't see how we can look past this, and his policy lynching of players even if they are town, and could be the Vig, and the way he slavishly backed up Lenlo at every point. I just cannot see how a town player would do all these things so consistently.

Not important but same reason the wolves did. He had suspicions of Shad and that combined with the rl emergency. Shad a good player and town, so that combined with the rl emergency. But correct, not important at the moment.

So we'll never know the reason Verb thought it was Turin. Maybe he shouldn't have told everyone his suspicions, lol. So where is everyone at? As I said in my summary, I cannot see past RTE. Reading D1 and D2, to me at least it really seems even more that he in Lenlo were working together now I'm looking back. Gud's gut feeling on Cass kind of backfired as she has no reason for why she voted for her. But that is not a lot of suspicion. Was not voting for Dice. Has been pushed and fingered by Lenlo and RTE throughout. Turin has all my super big brain suspicions but nothing really concrete. Verbal as guaranteed town also thought he was guilty. Cairos is the most obvious wolf. Not seen a lot of him this game due to circumstances but he has always been voting in the wolves best interests. Sorry if that is jus bad luck, but the votes are the votes. I quoted that post by Verbal where he says it is in the mafia's interest to get a miselimination and Lenlo, RTE and Cairos are all on Dice. That is my way of looking at it anyway. RIP Verbal.

Another great scene, Ithi. Really well done throughout this game.

I think we have to accept that they cannot fit everything in. Yes they are taking liberties, but that is a given. Leaving things unsaid like the reactions to the Aiel and Loial leaves room for other things like the iconic scene in the following episode. In the TR, it is more muted where they are at least keeping a low profile where them walking about TV inside the Shining Walls was odd. I most definitely think they could have done it better but also I don't think it is a main issue. But certainly doesn't make sense. Any armed warriors would excite comment in the TR, even moreso with the Whitecloaks and trollocs, not less, IMHO. But there is more important stuff to spend screemtime on. Again, IMHO.

And for those not wanting to endlessly scroll, I'll point out Ithi has helpfully linked the end of days in the Op, which is a great help. So you can jump in and leap gayly from page to page around the fateful discussions that got people eliminated.

Reading the end of D1 does not put some players in a good light. Discussion of said light and what not, can wait for day time but I would recommend people to go back and even just read some snippets if not the whole thing. Though as an aside I still cannot believe Z was not a wolf rereading it. Are we totally sure Ithi didn't introduce a secret PR where wolves can be hidden even after elimination?

Is hero worship an integral part of your playstyle?

Hope this is OK just posting for reference as I have nowhere else to put it.

Oh my that was some reading. Must say in hindsight I was hella on the money. But we can, if still alive, discuss it during the day. There were a few perplexing issues.

Just want to say, no pressure on town at all. We simply cannot make a single mistake of any kind. Eazy peazy.

Excellent advice, thank you.

I'll also chance my arm. IN.

A "chill-out" room with Z in it? Cannot quite make that work in my head. Maybe more like one of those indoor climbing jungles?