Meeeee….. that is all. Me

Just frivolous fun, I’m going through Harry Potter again and I can’t help but think about what would happen if mcgonigall and Cadsuane met. Friends or foes?

Min would often have situations in the books where she knew what the visions showed were certain to occur but didn’t know how to interpret the greater context, the why or the how. I dont want to be too specific in order to avoid spoilers, but for example the one regarding Cadsuane and Rand or Alivia and Rand. She knew what would happen but until they actually played out it left a lot of the meaning up to interpretation. And there could be many conflicting ways of interpreting.

Wow, that’s an excellent observation. I like the example you used, I had not given much thought to that encounter with liandrin and didn’t apply any special meaning to her statement at the time until you pointed it out. When everything is put together and looking at the whole picture so far, I have to think it has profound importance to her character moving forward. Her character has already transformed so tremendously in such a short time from the initial relative innocence and optimism she portrays before her captivity. It will be interesting to watch how this unfolds going forward.

Yes, exactly! Thanks for your response and input. As we read about Perrin and also Egwene building their skills in TAR and eventually achieving a complete and total understanding of how to master it and bend it to their will, it was accomplished by knowing without any doubt that what they believed/thought/desired to manifest in the dream would indeed happen and be real. If more than one person is involved in orchestrating the events of a situation, it’s the one with the strongest will who will decide the outcome. We see many examples of how the experience had by anyone in TAR is dependent on their internal belief of its reality or unreality, and how strongly and confidently they believe in and enforce their mental projection. That’s why I like the idea (believed by the aiel among others) of the world being just another level of the dream from which everyone will wake, and that’s why Rand was able to manipulate the pattern purely by the power of thought. Channeling isn’t all that different, it’s just an extra step that becomes obsolete if the mind controls the pattern directly rather than first accessing the OP to do so. Who knows what the reason is meant to be, I just like to believe it’s this!!

I hear you but I guess my thought process was based on intent. The subject of killing others and how it affects the killer is very poignant in the books. Killing to maintain strategic advantage, in self defense/defense of others or even believing it’s a form of mercy or for the greater good can all be used as justification within the psyche of the one doing the killing. However, for our characters like Rand and mat and Perrin the heavy burden of taking a life for any reason at all weighs heavily and persistently on their minds. So I guess I was approaching it from that angle. In the scene it appears that egwene possessed cold resolve in her action but I wonder if this will have any affect on her character in the show moving forward, one way or another.

I’m going off current topic here…but relating to the initial topic of the thread, in terms of what we as book readers have experienced from the characters and their book arcs, I’ve been wondering about how/if any of the changes might impact their show characters. For example, Egwene. She killed a person willingly and deliberately. Yes, it was her torturous captor, and it can be understood why she did it, but in the books I don’t recall any situation that can be compared to this. I may be mistaken due to my terrible memory, but nothing comes to mind at the moment of a time when she decided to kill someone when she could have chosen otherwise. I’m of the opinion that the experience of choosing to take a life would change any person fundamentally, aside from sociopaths or psychopaths. Rand and Perrin and mat in the books killed their share of people and had clear reasons why they had to do it, but they were never comfortable with it no matter what extenuating circumstances were present. Will the character of egwene in the show be fundamentally changed by this decision, haunted and changed by it, similar to how the boys in the books and somewhat even in the show so far have struggled with becoming killers? Or was her apparent cold resolve in the moment on screen indicative of her future arc? IMO if so, her show character would feel very different from her book character. Not saying it’s right or wrong or better or worse, just different.

Wait, does it!?! NOOO!!

I don’t think I’ve seen this mentioned yet but it’s a long thread so I might have missed it…um, birgitte is definitely one of the heroes! also is there going to be another hunt for the horn because it looks like it’s taken from mat by one of the heroes

This is how the in the book WT AS removes the oaths, but I don’t recall seeing how the dark removes oaths in order to facilitate Darkfriends taking their new oaths. Maybe it’s done with an oath rod, but I got the sense the Dark doesn’t need an oath rod per se to accomplish this

Good point. Thanks for your insights. That’s kind of my confusion though. I got the sense that swearing to the dark (however that’s done, but it’s never to my knowledge been implied that the dark does this with an Oath rod) meant forsaking and dissolving all other oaths. This was something I deduced from the books, however. I could be wrong and certainly doesn’t mean it applies to the show. Either way I feel like mo and su have been set up as ride or die so it’s hard for me to understand the possibility that su could have lost trust in mo.

Wait, what does it look like when gateways are opened? I forgot

I think this is why siuan appearing to distrust moiraine was such an impactful shift, allowing moiraine to leave her behind. Unless they’re still playing the long con and are both on board with the role they need to play

What did lanfear actually do to siuan? I can’t discern exactly in what way she injured her. She’s clearly incapacitated. Another thought I had was that if siuan had suspicions that moiraine was a Darkfriend because she “lied” about being stilled, then that would make any oaths she had taken previously null. So siuan must have realized that if this was true then she should have been unable to exploit the oath rod scenario where moiraine vows to obey her and therefore force her close the way gate. I wonder if she realized how far she had erred in even suspecting such a thing and this is why the erosion of trust on her end was irreversible and how moiraine was able to walk away in that moment.

Not linked to the current ability to channel, but can those without initially having the inherent ability to channel have a Talent? It seems so, considering Perrin and min and mat (at least in the books) but I think non channelers with “supernatural” abilities aren’t referred to as Talents?

Oh ok. Well so I guess my question is if the bond was never gone because she couldn’t unshield it, now that she can unshield it, has she done that?

When mo and siuan are talking about the dream of retiring to a bamboo hut, I’m guessing that explains the locale of their special place from season one?

Is yassica the same actress who was Cho Chang?

I was wondering if the bond between lan and moiraine was reestablished now that she can access the source

Thank you for sharing your certainty that it’s all connected to his talent. I considered that as a possibility but didn’t feel certain because I couldn’t recall if the ability to channel was connected to the ability to access the talent. Additionally, iirc, his talent in the show was to identify other men who could channel but I didn’t know if that was the same thing as being able to see their weaves even after being gentled. Appreciate the clarification.

Forgive me if this was discussed earlier, I’ve read through much but not all of the threads. I’m trying to figure out why a gentled logain could see the weaves on moiraine (it appears he can see the weaves from Rands channeling as well) but Rand had to embrace the source in order to see ishys weaves on moiraine). Or am I misunderstanding/misinterpreting/misremembering the situation? I thought once someone was gentled or stilled that they could no longer see weaves but admittedly I might have made an erroneous assumption

This will be how I refer to my husband from now on. Thank you 😂

I’m not sure what will happen with Ingtar in the show but I have to wonder what the purpose of his character would be/why he would be a central character to that plot line if he doesn’t have a similar arc to his character in the books. I guess it’s a WAFO, as always

Sweet baby Jesus. I need a minute. Could Mins vision be coming from that or does she only see what is actually going to happen like in the books?

Can someone start a new thread with this topic? 😂