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I agree on the risks. There are many, however in the realm of film making the benefits are going to outweigh the downsides.
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Then it depends on who is making the movie - much like anyone else making an animated movie today. If a horse expert is making it, he'll have it corrected... or if the director wants to bring in a horse expert then he would. What AI will never know is what it FEELS like to ride a horse. Unless it's described in beautiful writing by someone who does... but then again that has probably been written about thousands of times already. We're still in the realms of ANI, but we've started the journey into AGI. That will develop for the next decade or two and then we'll hit the dawning of ASI , where humans are no longer needed for anything other than manual , physical tasks/pursuits by the time it matures. We're truly screwed if ASI melds with advanced robotics.
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You can supplement text prompts with images (for example a predesigned image to get a 'a circle half white and half black, the colors separated by a sinuous line' as described in the prologue of EOTW) to get the look you want. You can also run many iterations of the AI and choose the best.,, much like many takes in a movie. Initially - and probably for 10 years or so - AI will be integrated into the workflow of movie making and eventually it will take over completely, even writing the scripts. But yes, for the next decade - or maybe two - it will be a symbiotic creative process. I don;t think writing scripts will be replaced so soon. You can feed in the exact script you want and tell the AI what accent you want and it will provide it, fully lip synced to the character. As for details RJ got wrong - you can even prompt that. Tell the AI that Jordan described something incorrectly and to correct it. There are millions of images, videos, descriptions of horses that the AI has to use in it's interpretation. It's going to be better than ANY animator could ever come up with because it has orders of magnitude more reference material. To be clear - it is NOT there yet.. but the leap made with Google's VEO-3 is pretty stunning and that is over a short time period.
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You are missing the point of AI film making. There is still a massively creative element to it. Prompting an Ai engine is a skill. The difference between a terrible AI scene and a great one is all in the prompting methodology. Prompts can be images, text or other videos - or a combination of all 3. Plus sound prompts are also coming. The point of AI in film making is that no actors, sets, costumes, props, locations, crew, designers , VFX specialists etc are required. The cost of an AI scene is c1000 times cheaper to produce than the cost of a show like WoT today. AI will be concept artists, script writers and prompt specialists, plus compute power. The best AI film makers will prompt for dialogue (which new AI engines can now integrate into the scene), emotions, feelings, character look and feel, context, locations etc.. Like all AI applications, the world is shifting from expensive and labour intensive tasks to fully automated AI replacement - media is one of the best places for this. AI can now create video and sound effects all in one too. It's also writing music for film scores tightly aligned to the scene/theme. We're at the very start and it's already mighty impressive. This was done with last week with text prompts to tell the AI what to create - just imagine where we will be in 10 years, 20 years. The only thing not AI in this is the music - but even that will soon be done by AI. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJCMVQqN0Z0&t=1s Actors, special effects experts, set designers etc are going to be a very rare thing in years to come. The premium will be for story tellers and prompt experts. Even artists will be a rarity because AI will catch up and surpass talent that create the concept art for movies and characters. WoT is perfect for AI - because all the story is there and detailed descriptions of characters, emotions, and locations from the writer. A complete telling in animated format - and even eventually in the style of the TV series - will be possible and likely for just 3-5 million dollars for the entire 14 books - assuming compute power remains as expensive as it is.. might be a lot cheaper to do.
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Pretty stupid joke on his part then and clearly designed to troll - which is not the kind of character you want in charge of an adaption of the WoT story.
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You are thinking in terms of now. The latest tech certainly could not do it. Veo-3 is probably the cutting edge and it's nowhere near ready, BUT it is light years ahead of where AI video creation was just a year ago. In a decade, creating a full AI movie from prompts will be common place. Film making workflows are already being designed - and the first ones are coming out - that integrate the various AI models for scene generation. In a decade you won't even be able to tell the difference between an animation created by AI or non AI methods. Heck, you'll hardly be able to tell the difference between movies with real actors and generated ones.
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I did see this and it's why i know that Rafe Judkins fully intended to inject politics and ideology into the show. It was very deliberate and his comment here - even if he could say it was in jest - shows just what a fool he is.
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Why not follow the books more closely?
Maximillion replied to phanooglestixs's topic in Wheel of Time TV Show
It's a shame - I was shocked to watch a recent youtube video that collated together the things Rafe Judkins said about the show and his approach. I won;t repeat them, or link the video as the youtuber is so cutting and in celebration mode. Judkins wasn't making the series for fans of WoT, he was making it for a specific audience that was simply too small. No one else is to blame but Judkins. -
The more see some of the things Rafe Judkins actually said about his intent, the more I dislike him. That said, I would have preferred continuation with a new show runner and team.
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. Nobody said corporations were evil - it's just a fact that they make decisions on how much money they make. I agree that there will be legal challenges - I said that But they will not be able to hold back the tide of what is coming. A commercial model will wash out - the smart rights holders will already be thinking about federated models and revenue shares. I also did not say the only good content in the future will be faithfulness to the original content. AI will also be used for brand new content - and for existing novels, multiple versions will be created, including ones that are absolutely faithful to the already written stories. That is the point - you don't need to appeal to the masses to get as many viewers as possible. This is NOW...not ready yet by any means but the acceleration over the next 10 years IS going to happen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDlME4qvER8 There is a whole industry bubbling up of AI movie companies, individuals, pushing the envelope. The winners will be producing content that will be totally convincing in 10 years and studio quality with almost none of the overheads. This is also NOW - using Google's new Flow film making AI with Veo-3. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0md0S8u8XXE Again - use your imagination a bit to think about what the level will be in 10 years!
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AI will be common place in productions, even for the big studios that remain in the future. Creative types are going to need to adapt, as will most other professions. There are many fans who do not want to be paid for what they would consider a hobby. If we were 10 years in the future, I'd happily spend 10-15 hrs a week contributing to an episode and not worry about the money. The truth is though that payment/reward will come - because millions of people will be consuming fan/amateur content generated outside the media companies we see today. Realising books/novels as fully fledged visual media is probably one of the easier applications of AI - the authors have already effectively written all the content needs for prompts. This guy says 2 years form now - but I think it's longer because of the time it will take for the required compute power to reach desktops - it's coming though. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6Xa3t8spSYk Think of media competition in the future not as decisions on WHAT gets made, but the best VERSION of what is made.
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You are thinking like a corporation and stuck in the past/present when it comes to thinking about content. Content creation is going to be entirely different in 10 years time. Actors will not be needed, voicing of scripts will be indistinguishable from real human voices, music creation will be prompt based, no locations will be needed, no cameras, no crew. We'll be in the realm of a few die hard fans of WoT being able to create a full episode in a day or two and release it online every week. Hell, we could even have multiple versions with different fan groups making their own interpretations. WoT discussions might be around which is best from several versions, not whether we'll get one. The problem will come legally - with corporations trying to stop content sharing on IP/rights protected content - but the content creation itself will be easy and cheap...and home based studios will be common place.
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There is only one viable future for TV shows and movies of the ilk of WoT - the fans make them for their communities. That is where we are headed and it will remove the corporate greed and desperate attempts to make content for as wide an audience as possible to make as much money as possible, often ruining it. Fan created content is at it's dawn and along the way there will be legal cases galore and massive advances in tech - to the point where one person can make what we just saw with WoT, but much better in terms of a reflection of the books, for almost no cost, but time and effort. Amazon also cancelled Expanse, one of the best TV shows I have seen, with several books still left of the story. Corporations do not care about fans - only profit and eyeballs. Given the 180k letters sent to support a renewal did not work, i doubt more to try to get a change of decision will do anything.
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I don't think that is the driver - celebration. Many book fans were and are very angry with Rafe Judkins and his team for what they produced with a beloved franchise. I don't see many celebrating the cancellation as such, maybe you do. I guess people who are not sad at all that it's been cancelled because they didn't want the story destroyed anymore (in their opinion) can be galling to people who just wanted the show to continue and like it. Personally I wanted it to continue but with Judkins and his team removed. But it is not to be. The best part of the entire effort were the Origin stories IMO. They should make the whole story like that - maybe in the future!
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Agree on the animation approach. As for it being too difficult to stick to the source material, I find this to be somewhat of a cop out. I heard Judkins talk about how with 8 seasons of 8 episodes he could not stick closely to the books, yet he somehow found time to waste hours on things not even in the books. Also, the fact he didn't stick to the nature of some of the characters in the books show he was not interested in telling Jordan's story regardless of time limitations.
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Not a claim that I made. Though you have just made the claim yourself. For me, I actually liked season 3 and also thought season 2 was better than season 1. It's very clear, though, that season 1 turned off a lot of book fans and the show never recovered. In fact, over a billion minutes watched for Episode 1 season 1. It almost immediately halved and by the end of season 3 was only slightly more the 1/3rd of the minutes watched at the start of the show. All a bit moot now - it's cancelled and its a shame, but many people predicted it would be, including many book fans.
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Wheel of Time Season 3 - Full Season Discussion
Maximillion replied to SinisterDeath's topic in Wheel of Time TV Show
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Lots of massive diversions from the books can be argued as being OK. Doesn't make any of them sensible. IMO, the series needed to grip the book fans from the beginning. It didn't. It created unnecessary controversy and backlash.
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AI film making will advance at an incredible pace over the next decade. Having said that, an 8 fingered Rand would be better than what Judkins served up for the character.
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Wheel of Time Season 3 - Full Season Discussion
Maximillion replied to SinisterDeath's topic in Wheel of Time TV Show
I meant exactly what I said. I did not say alienated all fans of the books. But even a cursory glance at the feedback, especially the first series, confirms that book fans in general were disgusted by the adaption and switched off. -
AI is the hope for this story to be brought to screen. Maybe in 5-10 years. Make 200 episodes in a few months. Make it an animation. I agree with many of your points. I have already mentioned the Dragon potentially being a man or a woman - that was just ridiculous and I believe done for stupid reasons. I did want to mention the foresaken - I highly doubt a non book reader would have any clue on who or what they were from the show. Just badly set up, badly introduced and badly developed. I agree that a story telling narrative at the start could have set up the series much better than they did. The biggest issues of all, though, was not making Rand the key theme of the story and making a Lan a crybaby bumbling idiot.
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Rafe Judkins is the single biggest reason the show failed. As soon as the show started off with 'the dragon can be a man or a woman', it was doomed. Absolutely ridiculous episodes like the one focused on Stepin and all the crying was a pure act of self indulgence on the part of Judkins. That said - it did improve - and it's a shame it was cancelled. The only light at the end of the tunnel is that ending it before it really got properly started - and the fact it really didn't capture the story at all - gives some hope (not much) that someone else will try this and hopefully do a better job.
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Wheel of Time Season 3 - Full Season Discussion
Maximillion replied to SinisterDeath's topic in Wheel of Time TV Show
It's really not surprising it's cancelled. Rafe Judkins did an awful job and alienated fans of the books. The big gaps between series also did not help. Hopefully someone else can pick this up and do a better job - preferably from the beginning. Casting would have to be much better too. -
Wheel of Time Season 3 - Full Season Discussion
Maximillion replied to SinisterDeath's topic in Wheel of Time TV Show
I would actually love to see a direct 1 to 1 adaption of the books in the animated style they used for season 1 bonus content. With AI for film making about to hit mainstream in the next few years - I can see it or something like it, being done. -
8 episode seasons, each almost 2 years apart, was a dumb idea. The show has no momentum at all, despite getting better season to season. I can't imagine that many people being invested in it. GoT was 6 seasons in 6 years and 60 episodes, with every season increasing it's viewership, before they screwed it up with the 13 episode final run split into 2. But it had momentum. The WoT production is totally incompetent.