3 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

Have they though? Where do you see Egwene having been 'robbed' of her naivety? She's only learned that she can channel just before having been separated from Rand. She clearly likes that and idolizes Moiraine. And there's every reason to think that they will be reunited. Why can't they still have the "I'm going to be Aes Sedai and you can be my warder!" moment? 

 

I understand how the degendering thing and the ta'veren thing mess with the lore. I don't think it's a necessary change. But at the end of the day, neither of them does anything to change the characters or their arcs.

We also lose Egwene ditching the braid. It doesn't change the lore or the story, but to ME, it is a part of her development in the books. It further underlines her break from the Two Rivers. The scene is not needed for the show, and perhaps she will let her hair loose down the line.

I can't believe they didn't highlight Hu and Tad in the show. They did my boys wrong!

On 11/21/2021 at 4:12 PM, Jaysen Gore said:

But he's in the Waygate picture from S1E6, so is Mat going to FD or not?

As to that,

21 minutes ago, AusLeviathan said:

They start the show by throwing out the word Ta'veren without any explanation, they use both the Wind and the One Power to refer to the same power, they interchangeably use Fade and Eyeless, they use both Whitecloaks and Children of the Light, they use both Aes Sedai and Witch, they switch between the Dark One being after four or five people, they use both Tinkers and Traveling People, they throw out a ton of things with no explanation of what's going on in the first three episodes (the wolves, how the Whitecloaks subdue an Aes Sedai, Mat's Dagger).

 

Yet it's too confusing to have a Darkfriend refer to the Dark One as the Great Lord of the Dark or the Great Lord? No, it was a mistake on their part and rather silly because using Great Lord allows for easy portrayal of who's a Darkfirend. You can even tie it into Thom's explanation, "Didn't you hear boy, she called the Dark One the Great Lord, she's a Darkfriend".

 

It actually fits right with something Daniel Greene talked about, they've got this consistent issue where they'll get a character almost completely right and look like they really understand them only to have the character suddenly do something very out of character.

Fair points.

"The last time someone brought the Dragon to the Dark One..." - Dana

Anyone else find it odd she didn't say the Great Lord? Is that purposeful to not confuse viewers?

Another thought...Is she saying Ishy brought LTT to the DO????

12 minutes ago, notpropaganda73 said:

 

I am a little worried that they may merge it with Machin Shin. Honestly I have no basis for that worry other than it could seem like an easy way to make things a little simpler (even though they are very separate evils), or that having two incorporeal evils in the first 8 episodes will be too much. 

No, no, no. Machin Shin will appear as a silver gray fog within the ways ?

Now that you mention the black wind...Mashadar in the show reminds me of Machin Shin.

11 minutes ago, DojoToad said:

Unless I missed it, they lost a big chance to explain how that selfishness turned to evil and consumed itself.  Explain that mashadar was the embodiment of the evil.  Would have taken all of 10-15 seconds.  As it was, I'd be curious to know what non-book readers thought the creeping black shadow was as it wasn't explained that I recall.  Oh wait, Moiraine is unconscious - Lan can't know that...

It wasn't explained. Just evil grew and consumed everything that lived and the city has been abandoned since.

1 hour ago, DaddyFinn said:

Found this on the comments of Lezbi Nerdy's review video:

 

https://wot.fandom.com/wiki/Source:Blog_-_I'M_BAAAA-AAACK,_22_November_2005

 

 

So, not impossible to channel, but much harder to become Aes Sedai. Learning the 100 useless weaves needed for testing....

Also, people complaining about not seeing different colors of the weaving should read that passage.

2 hours ago, notpropaganda73 said:

Personally, the tone of a lot of those posts comes across as saying that Rafe would sacrifice the entirety of the WoT story in order to "push a woke feminist agenda".

I think some of these attacks stem from Rafe's own words:

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JordanCon WoTOnPime Panel

On gender: the book series is more about gender than it is about women and men. The story as-is tackled some modern issues of gender. It isn’t hard as other book series because this stuff is in the books. Trying to “stay true to the intention” of the books. He gave the example of something that might have seemed feminist at the time of publication but no longer by today’s standard, you have to update it to maintain that intent. It’s more about balance between the genders than it is about women.

7 hours ago, Mailman said:

Lans story to the boys stated they built it with no gate

"But when the world needed them most, they built their wall with no gate, locked themselves inside and let the other nations of man burn." -Lan

My take: As Aridhol descended into paranoia, they walled themselves in. I'm not sure why they went with this, other than it was quick and easy to deliver.

1 hour ago, Harad the White said:

O Lord, stop me before I nitpick again.

In the borderlands, they have a saying...The look of the Noseless is fear.

10 minutes ago, Elder_Haman said:

I understood it to mean they didn’t know where the DR was currently. I’ll be shocked if he wasn’t born on Dragonmount. 

"And him they named Dragon. Now, this man has been born again. We don't know where or to whom. If he was reborn as a girl or a boy. The only thing we know for certain is that this child is coming of age now, and we must find them... before the Dark does."

 

As much as I like the show and happy to have it, I find myself nitpicking everything. Three rewatches, and I cringe everytime Lan says "The fade has trollocs with it." It seems out of character to me. Halfman, yes. Eyeless, yes. "Fade" is such an Andor term. 

2 minutes ago, Beidomon said:

Did they take the Dragonmount birth out of the lore, too? Man I hope not. What’d she say in the narration?

"Twenty years ago, there was a woman at the White Tower. An Aes Sedai born with eyes so white, she couldn't see anything. Yet still she saw. Glimpses of the turning of the Wheel."

 

3 minutes ago, DaddyFinn said:

Wait for it.. We have seen them in official clips traveling on road with lots of people.

 

She was 306 years old when she died. Why couldn't she become blind during that?

"An Aes Sedai was BORN with eyes so white, she could not see"

1 minute ago, Beidomon said:

Well, I assume you’ve gotta take over at least one country before getting to the FD designation. Even in the correct book lore, tons of men who could channel weren’t considered FDs. 

You would have to at least CLAIM to be the DR

Can we discuss how a blind person goes about becoming an Aes Sedai?

I have reread the entire series 3 times and the earlier books many more times. I can't believe all the accents in the show are completely wrong. As I read the books, it is quite clear that all of the characters speak in various American accents. Why could they not get this basic fact right?

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39 minutes ago, Jaysen Gore said:

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a man who actually knows how to channel, and what he wants to do with it.

 

Are you being facetious, or referring to Ablar?

Looking ahead to episode 4, I am trying to figure out what  "An incredible new power is unleashed on the world" means. I can't think of anything this early in the story that lines up with that description. It seams early, but do you think they will show

Please tell me I'm missing something obvious.

17 hours ago, Jaysen Gore said:

IMO The only way to possibly save this is to show that she was a Darkfriend, she tricked him into marrying her under orders, she was trying to kill him, and his Ta'veren status (ie luck) acted to keep his thread from being cut from the Pattern.  And have him believe it.  And be damned if I know how they pull that off.

Or…she was under compulsion??.

9 hours ago, Windigo said:

Ageing them up does not line up except for Egwene (b 981 so 17 in the book),
Nynaeve (b. 973 - 25 in the book ) Rand, Mat and Perrin were born in 978 TEotW takes place in 998 which makes them 20 in the books so the same as the show.
The only thing I see is that we have Perrin being a blacksmith not an apprentice which even at 20 makes no sense. 

 

Then it doesn't make sense for Rafe to say they "aged them up" for the show. During the second and third watchings, I still felt like I was watching a CW show during the scenes with Egwene and Rand.

I was neutral. Love, Love, Love seeing the story come to life, even with the "updates". However, as far as a show, I am "meh' and hope it gets better.

I have many conflicting thoughts and emotions. It will take time for me to come to to terms with the adaptation.

Rafe said they aged up the characters to avoid coming across like a YA show. However, the scenes with Egwene and Rand come across as YA. I watch a lot of CW shows, and that is what these scenes remind me of, both dialogue and music.

I just deleted multiple paragraphs and have decided to keep my grips to myself. I will view the show as just another fantasy show for now and enjoy it for what it is.

This doesn't flow with the conversation, but this thought hit me and I am not sure where to post this.