3 hours ago, JaimAybara said:

I think the biggest frustration some are having is the unceremonious and borderline vindictive narrative shifts taking place. All of which that are negative only impact men in general, or male leads. This is not balance and clearly displays to the viewer what and who is expendable according to the show runners. You can’t give the majority of the women bonus traits and dump on the men and expect sunshine and rainbow reactions from all the male fans. 
 

1. No village council or male cultural norms. And subsequently nerfing All the male characters that were in it narratively. So women have secret traditions, and men…just exist? Okay, cool.

 

2. Abel being a scumbag…instead of a good father who taught Mat the bow staff, hunting, and walks to Tar Valon to look for him with Tam.

 

3. Master Luhan…just everything. Wasn’t even there. Doesn’t give Perrin the Axe etc. 

 

4. Mat is a thief with scummy parents. 
 

5. Perrin is beyond quiet he is just super submissive and is likely doomed to be Eeyore now because of the dumb additions for his story. 
 

6. Rand is okay. Probably the closest to his actual arc out of the male leads, but is still kind of Bland al’Thor.

 

7. No Elyas? I guess no mentor for Perrin as of yet. Or…maybe at all? 
 

Lastly, all the women that are portrayed negatively so far, fall in the morally grey area, whereas the men who are legitimately villains are just blatantly evil.
 

Fain - smiling as everyone died. 
 

Valda - Burning an Aes Sedai and smiling. 
 

Dana - I’m not wrong, I’m a victim, join me, we’re actually the good guys, let’s seek sweet release. Etc. 

 

Liandrin- point of view moral relativism so far. 

 

I do like pretty much all of the shifts for the ladies. They are all good. But…they enhanced what was already there. For the men they either cut cool characters, remove their good qualities, or make them weaker and I don’t understand why. Hollywood and almost every streaming service has embraced this mentality and it’s pissing off a lot of male viewers. And sure some might say it’s whining, but I do believe it is a justifiable complaint. And there is more than enough evidence to support it. 

Actually I think this world is one where I’m okay with lifting up women and shitting on men. Men caused the Breaking. Every time a man learns to channel he either goes mad and devastates a few square kilometres or he sets himself up as a false Dragon and tries to start another World War. That’s gonna have an impact on social niceties. Given that the current trend in entertainment seems to be to do this anyways, at least it kind of makes sense here. 
But no. There’s not going to be an Elyas. They’ve announced just about every secondary, tertiary character and even random passers-by at this point but the IMDB cast list has NO listing for Elyas. Chalk it up as another “Rafe knows best” idea I guess. ?

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Rand and Egwene bumping uglies, Matt hitting on the Bartender, her hitting on Rand… Matt’s joke about “if she’s up for it…”

To say nothing of Perrin’s disposable wife. 
They didn’t “age up the characters” they just  added more “mature themes”. 
That and the naked Lan butt in episode one. 

Have to get that T&A quota in like GoT, Witcher etc. 

Yep, it’s more made up crap to artificially create conflict and tension and what passes for character development.

It makes zero sense for a healer, midwife and one of the top female role models in the village to be so completely divorced from regular village life.

A Wisdom would be expected to marry and be an integral part of the community,  not a hermit living in the woods, divorced from human contact. 
Fertility, enforcing sacredness of marriage, guiding the Village Council - these are all key parts of the Wisdoms role and not being part of the life and future of the village are antithesis to that. 

Not impressed with them creating a wife for Perrin and then instantly fridging her. There’s a reason that’s a trope, and a bad one at that. 
It’s laziness from the writers who can’t manage to portray Perrin’s conflict between axe and hammer without a literal axe trauma. Making her a Darkfriend won’t really improve things, especially as she’s a blink and you miss it character and the only references to her seem to be somewhat forced things from Matt and Egwene.

Honestly, killing your wife like that would completely destroy someone and Perrin would be a useless mess for years afterwards. 
It’s up there with Matt’s abusive family for lazy and poorly thought out writing. 

In regards to the Lan/Moraine bath scene:

yes it was completely out of place and confusing for the audience.

yes the whole Lan whinging about the cold does his character a disservice. 
 

I would assume the entire point of that scene was to show Moraine Channelling to heat the water. That and a gratuitous Lan butt shot.
It’s a reminder “she can do magic”.

They may have also thought they were showing some kind of depth to their relationship but in reality that aspect just came across as weird and a little creepy. 

19 minutes ago, swollymammoth said:

WoT WTF List: Episode 1 

 

1. The opening with Logain. That was it? The thing where there's two guys but there's really only one is neat, but seriously, can anyone tell me why that scene is there? What information did it communicate that Moiraine's opening monologue didn't already tell us? Women use magic, men who 

2. Egwene's Women's Circle initiation. Literally who cares? Also, I'm supposed to believe that in this Emond's Field, Egwene (who is like 20) is a member of the governing body of women in the town? Why? Nynaeve is wisdom despite her youth because she was a wisdom's apprentice and then her master died. What has Egwene done to be elevated to this position of respect? Is this supposed to be a believable world? Because if it is, then Egwene should still be seen as a young woman and not as someone whose life experience has warrented them a place of influence in the community. 

3. I can't believe no one has talked about the scene where Nynaeve and Moiraine talk at that "sacred" pool. WTF was that? That is terrible writing. The pool is of no consequence whatsoever. Rafe had to fit so much into this first episode and what did he do? He cut important character scenes (like Rand hauling his father back) and put in bogus extra scenes like this that serve no purpose but to eliminate Nynaeve from DR consideration which she never should have been a part of in the first place. 

4. Nynaeve getting kidnapped. Pointless. Totally pointless and inconsequential. Nynaeve's capacity as a strong, independent woman is established in the scene where she sneaks up on Lan. That is a greater accomplishment than killing a pair of disposable trollocs, and so all this did was waste time and reinforce something that didn't need it. (Remember, they need to adapt 800 pages into 8 episodes. They don't have time to waste on this kind of stuff, but they did it anyway) 

5. I'm pretty sure we never seen Tam give Rand the heron marked sword. That should have been a huge moment for his character, and instead (if it happened) it was so quick that I didn't even notice it. And I know that I'm not the only one because I saw someone else on this forum complain about it too. 

6. Who in their right mind thought that it would be a good idea to split a single 50 minute episode between five different viewpoints? What's that Bilbo Baggins line? "I feel like butter spread across too much bread." That's exactly what this is, and it's 100% for the sake of the "mystery." Script would have been much tighter if they'd focused their time on Rand and Egwene. 

7. Nynaeve's characterization as someone who distrusts Aes Sedai because of some stupid backstory with her master. She already had a reason! She is fiercely protective of the Emond's Fielders and takes her job as Wisdom seriously, so when Moiraine takes them away, she goes after them out of a sense of responsibility but then must grapple with the fact that she's actually not as helpful as she thinks she is. Notice how one of those actually tells us about Nynaeve and serves to deepen her character and tie into her core trait as a healer/protector? Rafe sure didn't! 

8. Padan Fain showing up and literally nobody cares. Like, they didn't even bother to characterize Emond's Field at all. Just having that cart get rushed by excited kids tells us so much about the setting. But nah. Who cares? Like, when Frodo leaves the Shire in LotR, it's a big deal because we've seen the idyllic life it represents. We've spent time there and we have a feel for regular life. That way, the Shire can serve as an anchor point during their adventures. Emond's Field functions the same way. This is Hero's Journey storytelling 101, and they screwed it up. 

9. Mat's sisters. Now, here's the thing, I actually liked the Mat stuff. If this were any other show, I'd say good job. But literally how are they going to handle this is the long run? He's just left his sisters with his crackpot parents. In the short term, this provides drama, but in the long term, it's going to give them fits when it comes to adapting Mat's arc. So, so short-sighted. 

 

Episode 1 is a legitimate 3/10. 

1) the Logain scene I suspect is there to introduce us to the idea of the madness and how Rand will get LTT “in his head”

2) the women’s circle now seems to just be “all the women” not the women’s council. Seriously, can you imagine how the actual Women’s Circle from the books would react to the whole sorority initiation of throwing Egwene off a cliff? That’s the sort of thing they’d be rolling eyes and tugging braids at. 
3) yep. Nynaeve scrubbing a rock while she bitched about how Aes Sedai rejected her mentor for being poor? What a waste of time. 
4) Nynaeve is kind of a pointless character outside of her being the most powerful, the healing thing and the Lan thing. If they felt that Perrin needed to fridge a wife to make him more relevant, can you imagine what they had to do to make Nynaeve interesting?

5) yep, the sword is completely glossed over. 
6) the character building suffers because they have to keep up the mystery of “who is the Dragon?”Pointless really. Even non-book watchers will probably have worked that out before the show even launched. 
7) see point 4 about trying to make Nynaeve interesting. 
8 ) I liked Fain but the pace and cramming so much in meant he got no real intro. The scene where he’s gleefully watching the battle helped to cement his character though

9) yep, they destroyed Matt’s family because they couldn’t make him a scoundrel with a heart of gold without some over the top abusive parents and guilt over abandoning his sisters. It’s the same reason they had Perrin fridge a made-up wife - “character building”!! 
I was surprised to see Sanderson being honest given his position as Exec producer but from what he’s saying that seems like it’s just a screen credit and his opinions carry zero weight with the show runner. Shame really. Ignore the advice of the only surviving author of the series who’s a best-selling author in his own right, in favour of a guy who worked on Agents of Shield. Right. 

5 minutes ago, Blackbyrd said:

 'awkward- but compelling' that's about where I'm at, there's some awkward campiness but as a general fantasy fan rather than a book fan I feel compelled to watch on

 

Awkward yes, compelling I’m not so sure. As a book fan I’ll continue to watch and hope for better but I’m certainly not compelled. I may even just switch off for a month or two and tune back in when the whole seasons out and binge the rest. 
And I seriously question whether a non-WoT fan will feel at all Compelled to keep tuning in.
Consider other epic/big budget shows like BSG, GoT, Witcher, the Boys. Most if not all were a lot more engaging three episodes in. Gone are the days of 20 episode seasons when a shaky start can still be overcome. We are just shy of halfway through the first season and the consensus from critics, fans and new viewers is basically “meh, it’s okay.”
That doesn’t bode well when your boss has forked out untold millions for rights and per episode costs hoping for the next GoT - ending up with the next Legend of the Seeker doesn’t look great. 

Heavily underwhelmed. Expectations where low due to the way Hollywood almost always stuffs up adaptations but expectations were not at all exceeded. 
Acting was bad, editing was shocking, CGI was mediocre. Trollocs we’re embarrassing (orcs from LotR 20 years ago we’re light years better). Scenery was nice but super empty and “wilderness” - felt like an empty dead world rather than a living breathing populated world. Pace was a mix between dull and crazy rushed and most of the story choices were just painful (Perrin havin a wife and killing her? Matt having an abusive family? Rand and Egwene bumping uglies?) 

I’ll be surprised if this gets a fourth season. And it’s sad because this failing will negatively impact similar future projects. We only got this because of GoT and we only got that because of LotR. If WoT fails, it doesn’t bode well for Mistborn or Cosmere projects. 

1 hour ago, ForsakenPotato said:

@MasterAblar That's a good point, or they could have nabbed her while she was sleeping, or I forgot about forkroot as an option.  The fact that it happened offscreen made me jump to conclusions that they have some secret weapon. I'm hoping we end up with some reasonable explanation on the show for how it's done, but it's just a curiosity/nitpick thing, not a major issue for me.

They’ve watered down the One Power a LOT so far. Moraine was kind of ineffective in Episode 1 until she literally pulled the inn down to throw at the Trollocs. It was a cool trick but the lightning and fire should have been enough to wipe out the Trollocs and she was barely picking them off one at a time. That wasn’t a huge band of Trollocs and they basically had their way with the village for a long time. Given what we know of the Power and see in the later books, she was pretty underwhelming. 
I can see the Whitecloaks ambushing and swarming the Aes Sedai, maybe knocking her out with slings or subduing her with bolo’s or something. Or pincushioning her Warder and rushing the sister while she’s in shock. I just assumed the pain and shock of amputation combined with burning alive was enough to stop her channeling, but they seemed to make a big deal out of both her hands being cut off and Moraine flailing about like an inflatable balloon figure so I suspect “hands and gestures” are now integral to channeling.

I do like the Whitecloaks but in hindsight the feasting while your victim burns alive and the blood soaked cup kind of crossed the line into psychotic - everyone hates and fears the Whitecloaks but they at least maintain a veneer of “walking in the light” - Valda went straight to serial killer vibes. 

1 hour ago, Agitel said:

Blood and ashes! I just saw that Amazon has a budget of $465 million for just one season of their LotR series.

 

WOT has a comparable budget to later seasons of GOT and The Witcher. LotR is just... huge.

This fits with what we’re seeing. LotR series got the A-Team, the biggest budget, the better CGI. WoT got the b-team. It shows. 
 

The pro-feminist slant is a little blatant but it’s also completely expected in this day and age on TV and film. It’s not nearly as bad as it could be. Also, the nature and history of the Breaking and the Taint does actually lend itself to a world where women have more authority and men aren’t always on top. It’s kind of an “original sin” feeling where men, deep down, have to contend with the fact that they broke the world and if they learn to channel, could do it again. That was always a theme in the books and, if anything, the pro feminist “the power isn’t for you it’s for women” and “the Dragon could be a man or woman” actually does this a disservice and weakens the narrative. It’s integral to the Dragon that he will save the world and break it again… because of the taint. We’ve completely

lost that feeling, that dread. The boys are terrified in the books of being the Dragon because that means they’ll go mad. Now? They barely even seem to care about their “destiny”. 
But for me the two biggest issues are:

1) Rafe clearly lied on his resume - he’s not the Uber-fan he claims. I imagine he’s read the series, or at least most of it, but that’s about it. I’m not buying that his love for the books is all that.

2) the other big thing for me is the new steaming trend of 6 or 8 episode seasons. That’s not limited to WoT. It’s pretty much every show. It’s not enough. Cramming the breadth and depth of epic fantasy into 8 episodes is hard. They’ve cut out heaps to do it and crammed in a bunch of nonsense because they aren’t confident they’ll get the chance to do it all. How much better would this have worked with an old school 20-24 episode season, like in the old syndication days. $10 million an episode over 8 episodes is a lot. But split that $80mill over 20 episodes, level out the pacing, do some actual character development and world building, allow us to grow with characters and the stories… sadly, that’s not how the streaming world works. So instead we have 2 or 3 massive books crammed into 8 episodes and way too much left out. 

3 hours ago, Pandemonium said:

not sure I dig Thom's singing. surely I am not the only one 

Nope, I'm with you. Thom disappointed all over. Not a fan of his look, the lack of the cloak, the guitar, scratchy singing voice (really a court bard has a voice like that? nope). I didn't get any of the vibe of Thom as a charcter from this guy. Hopefuly the character improves.

The Darkfriend twist was okay but the whole chasing through town with a bared sword just felt ridiculous. And I'm assumig that breaking down the door is Rand's "channelling moment"... they're really going out of their way to make the One Power underwhelming. 
And what the hell was with the Tinkers? Who's bright idea was it to make them creepy blank eyed zombies upon first meeting? I get that its a cheap attempt at a fakeout by the writers but its so completely at odds with the character of the Tuatha'an it just comes accross as weird.

I appreciated them starting to make Matt a little dark as the dagger takes over but it had much less impact thanks to the overall poor acting in the show and the fact that Rand already had a "screaming at Moraine" moment in Ep2 so it just felt like more poor characterisation. They haven't developed their personalities enough for Matt's corruption to be anything more than "oh so he really is just a d*head, like he seemed at the start." We need to see more of Matt's "heart of gold" before his character corruption.
Nynaeve is just as annoying in the show as the books and the acttor still misses the performance by a ot.

Looking like they've ditched Elyas and Perrin will just find the wolves on his own which is disapointing.
It was cool to see Logain earlier in the story 

Struggling to find much redeeming in this 3rd episode. #2 sill stands as the best of the three for me, though its a pretty low bar and even 2 had some major flaws. I'll continue to watch because I enjoy the books but this is generally a disappointment to me. Not a surprise though.

Well watched three and it was mediocre at best. a slight improvement over #1 but not exactly a steep trajectory. Still feels petty meh

46 minutes ago, DaddyFinn said:

I didn't have any issues with this episode. It's better to not analyze every scene. ?

But where's the fun in that??

Huh, I agree with the minority here - episode 2 was better than the first. It was a little disjointed, the expositional dumps about Manetheren and Aridhol were pretty forced, but the dialogue was a little less cheesy.
The Whitecloaks... were good. Really good. I was sure they'd suck from the leaked costume photos but they had that right feel of chilling zealotry. Still not sure how they managed to kill 7 Aes Sedai though? Given even one should be able to wipe out their whole contingent, for them to subdue 7 just makes the Aes Sedai seem weak (I got the same sense in episode 1 - for all that their power is talked up and "one AesSedai could wipe out an army", Moraine was actually pretty ineffectual against just a few dozen Trollocs). And Whitebridge, as the Fade road up to the dock, all I could think was " gee, what a shame none of them have a bow... oh wait."

Perrin's brush with the wolves was fun, but if it means no Elyas, I'm gonna riot. We need the proper Wolfbrother backstory!
Shadar Logoth was good. Nice and creepy, the massive wall, the empty streets. Had a nice eery feel, though they rushed through the city much too quickly. Could have done without Rand and Egwene's lover's quarrel in favour or proper Mordeith and Matt. Mashadar was a major disapointment. Wish they'd spent some of that budget on a nice rippling fog that crept and roiled instead of a black paint spill on the ground.

The dagger was pretty un-inspiring - they could have done so much more with such a chillingly evil and infectious prop. EVen the Cats-Paw dagger from GOT was more interesting than that.

Honestly, the props have been singularly uninspiring so far (Tam wielding a Katana, and no discussion of it or  the Heron mark? sheesh; the boring dagger; there's been nothing about Perrin's axe (I briefly glimpsed it in the fight when he killed his wife, but I have no deia if he's even carrying it anymore?) and don't get me started on how they've allready decided to replace Tom's harp with  guitar. LAME!

Nynaeve returning was dull, woopty-doo moment - she's an annoying character in the books and she looks to be worse here - really not buying her actor - simply lacks the fiery uncrontrollable temper.

All told, its still massively rushed, charcter development has been sorely lacking and the acting continues to uninspire. The scenery is good, the music is still decent, but the special effects are pretty ho-hum. Everyones sayong that no.3 is where it really picks up so fingers crossed it gets better. Still not seeing much potential for a long series run with this, but I may be wrong.

48 minutes ago, TheAngryDruid said:

Color me incredibly underwhelmed. 2 or 3 on a scale of 10. 

 

I mean, I knew it would be rushed, and there would be changes, but lordy, that was poor. 

 

Minor gripes: 

1) Perrin is married. And kills his wife. 

2) No Thom. 

3) Nynaeve gets kidnapped. 

4) Moiraine is recognized as Aes Sedai right away.   

5) Moirane knowing there were 4 ta'veren from the start. 

 

 

Major gripes: 

1) Losing the drama of Rand taking Tam to Emond's Field. And therefore Tam's rambling about finding a child in the snow. This is what drives Rand for most of the series, who am I? 

 

2) Rand seeing the Fade is also gone. Trollocs are the main threat here, and it should be the Fade instead. 

 

3) The Tower turning away Nynaeve's mentor. The Tower wants girls who can channel badly. Siuan is a fisherman's daughter, FFS. This is awful. Attempting to build elitist tropes. 

 

4) Moiraine's character is awful. Blurting about the Dragon Reborn? Preposterous. Destroying the Inn to throw rocks at Trollocs? Awful. She is Aes Sedai & from Cairhein. Totally out of character. As is a bath with Lan. Ugh. 

 

5) Having Rand accuse Moiraine of bringing the Trollocs, not the townspeople. Again, this totally misrepresents how rural communities feel about AS. The fear. The distrust. The ignorance.    

 

6) Losing Moiraine's tale of Emond's Field. 

 

7) The ease at which they go with Moiraine. So much for stubborn Two Rivers folk. Yeah, I have never talked to you before, but sure, I will leave everything I know to go with you. Sure. 

 

? 8. Lots of extraneous stuff was added (Perrin's wife, Matt's mom, the Reds, and Egwene at the river, even the battle), at the cost of better stuff.

 

They should have opened with Rand & Tam. Fade on the road. Arrived to a quiet, not yet boisterous Inn (Marin was bad). Done some world building with the adults at the Inn. Meet Egwene, Nynaeve, Perrin, Mat, and Fain.  Strangers. Gleeman. Moiraine with the coin. Return to al'Thor farm. Winternight. Rand arrives to Emond's Fielsld in ashes. Nynaeve cannot help his dad. Thom/Bran Dragon's Fang talk. Moiraine heals Tam. Then the whole convincing them to go, finding out that the al'Thor & Cauthon places & the forge were all that were attacked. Rand/Tam talk. They sneak out. End episode.  

 

 

Yep. Pretty much agree with all of this.

Just watched episode 2 and it does get better. Still a very rocky start and some issues but it's improving. 

19 minutes ago, ksbsnowowl said:

I had this revelation randomly during the 2nd (?) episode, but before the scene you would think would have sparked it (staying intentionally cryptic).
 

The death of Perrin’s wife will likely lead to the book scene of Ba’alzamon showing Rand his dead mom, Kari, and having her reveal she was a servant of shadow (or just that the DO has and is torturing her soul? I forget the specifics), be altered to that dream sequence being in Perrin’s dreams, using his dead wife as Ba’alzamon’s puppet. It works better for viewers, because it’s a character we’ve already seen on screen (rather than a dead mother we’ve never seen).

 

Then later there was the theory posited on the Dusty Wheel episode 1 discussion... Notice Layla’s stance when Perrin attacks her, and realize there are no more living trollocs in the forge at that point...

 

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... Layla had the hammer raised over her head, approaching Perrin to attack him... in other words, she was a Dark Friend. 

 

Urrgghh. I can beleive that but ... its terrible. Perrin's character just doesn't need that, he has his own arc, seperate from Ishamael. And worse, two episodes in and apart from Mat's "you should have this knife Leila made" scene, no-one has said a word to or about Perrin having lost his wife, like a day or two ago? No-one even asks "Are you okay dude?"

Hmmn. Just watched the first episode and so far I have pretty strong "meh" feelings. Taking MAJOR liberties with the story (the only way they could come up with to explain Perrin's mental struggles over the axe vs hammer was to comeplteley manufacture a wife and then have him kill her?) The feminist stuff was there though fortunately not as bad as I expected (the whole red sister tirade that the power was only meant for women makes ZERO sense given the fundamental dual nature of the One Power, even  comeing from a Red, and the bit where all the women rush in and gloriously slay a Trolloc was just about as gratuitous as the girl power "Assemble" moment in Avengers Endgame), but it could have been way worse.
The acting is pretty poor. I will say Egwene (who's probably my least favourite character) was probably the one of the best acted,  pipped at the post by Matt (such a shame he's not coming back next season). I really don't get all the praise for Pike's Moraine - she really feels like she's phoning it in (comes accross as more "bored" than "inscrutable Aes Sedai") and Rand is just wooden. He feels more like mid-to-late series Rand ("I must be hard as stone"), rather than early book "woolheaded sheepherder"). Fain was great, and Lan surprised me with how well he managed the stoic yet dedicated Warder. Not a huge fan of Tam's actor and the rest are kind of ho-hum. 
Most egregious of all (next to maybe the whole "Perrin's now a wife-killer") is what they did to Matt's family. Again, so unimaginative that they can't protray a troubled rouge like Mat without giving him an abusive family. And yet he just rides off at the end of the episode, leaving his sisters behind with nary a word?

Sigh

The special effects where okay, I guess. (not really seeing the $10M an episode special effects) but frankly Moraine just looked goofy swaying and thrashing about in the climactic battle. Looked like that wonky wobbling witch from the first Suicide Squad movie.
The editing and shhaky cam where nausea inducing.The scenery was decent but a little to clean and CGI. The Trollocs looked pretty goofy - veering between stunt-men in goofy suits and computer game CGI, from one scene to the next.

I enjoyed the sound-track and the general atmosphere (everythings a little too bright and saturated but I'll deal). I was torn on that one shot where we pass over the ruins of an ancient city. Kind of felt a little out of place at first, but then, I kind of appreciate the nod to the Age of Legends and the post-apocalyptic world.
The whole thing was massively rushed and forced. You can absolutely see that the writers are terrified by the length and depth of the book's and conscious that they are unlikely to get a long ulti-season run, so are cramming as much in as possible. 

I'll watch the next two episodes and so far its ok enough to keep me coming back, but it's never going to get a GOT style following and I'm highly skecptical Amazon will give it more than 3 or at most 4 seasons. It's just not going to appeal to the avaerage new viewer.
It may pick up in the next few episodes (the fact they released three at once shows that someone at least recognises that its off to a rocky start).
I do miss Tom, though I'm cringing at the thought of how they will butcher his character... and oh man, if they wreck Loial?!?