? I still thought he might have been scum, though. He was on my list for people to potentially shoot. I wasn't quite sure, and that just tipped the scales. But he was still on my list. The backups weren't part of the consideration, because he was still on my list.

Why aren't people clear on the roles and rules they have? Ithi spelled this out pretty clearly, I thought. Watcher will move to another town player if the Watcher is killed. If Zander was fakeclaiming, the real one would counter and we'd have a guaranteed scum lynch in one of them. With a mislynch still available, it's a bad move for scum right now. You did see me list the reasons he was on my list, right?

Finally. Been waiting for somebody to null read people this far in (pages/content wise, not game days). If one of these flip scum, that might make Heavy scum as well. Scum sometimes null read each other as they are scared to take a stance on teammates. Just a thought.

Did you see Zander's claim?

That got him on the list, following Cass with an easy vote nudged him up, but the actual shot did take into account his family emergency and how he might have needed to stop playing. If I had to do it again, I would have done the same thing. This is just a game, and the man was having some real stress for his parents and their home.

That's different - he literally had a RL issue that was proven and stated he might not be able to continue. It was not the result of pressure or votes or anything else. He was on my list (erroneously on my part), so I went with him in part as a mercy shot. Mistakes were made, heh. But it's not the same thing.

Bold: agree to disagree Blue: don't sell yourself short, my man. I remember the Myndjack days pretty well, hehe. You and your brother were both just fine. Also, happy bday buddy.

You are 100% correct. We've seen the way worse and the way less. But after enough times, they all need to fall into the same bucket for me, and that's a zero tolerance one. That's my take, not on you. I'm just not willing to have the same thing from JN repeat itself and lose games because I refuse to lynch somebody who goes there, especially in subsequent game where it's clear the "issue" is still going on. You are more valuable to DM Mafia than I am, currently. It'll miss you much more, so keep plugging. 🙂

I also wasn't going hard at you - I was trying to center the town and see if anybody went a little too eager with the only cleared townie pushing the person trying to lead the most. Maybe it wouldn't have worked, maybe it would have. We'll never know. But Turin joined, so there's that.

Lenlo Turin Gud Turin Dice Gud Lenlo Turin Dice Only options I see. Heavy and RTE both went big on AtE, and Zander did that plus a claim. Oh sh*t, Cairos. I forgot about him. I remember having a policy to lynch barely active players, and it backfired enough that I stopped.

I guess I should consider Dice as well, but that's like me listing the whole player list and saying I think I have a scum in there, heh.

No CC means I'm voting Lenlo or Turin. I can't vote RTE because of the self-vote. That level of AtE is a hard stop for me. Let me know where we're going, folks.

Has everybody posted yet since Zander revealed?

That part is a fair point.

I peeked at the last game, your level of effort towards solving there was much higher than now. That's a normal adjustment to being a first-time scum. Admittedly, it's not the most solid read of all time, hence why I have you listed last.

I'll vote in my reads list, let me know where to place it.

I'm caught up. I don't feel attacked - remember, I play on JN. I get attacked there every game, it's part of their culture. I don't think you crossed lines with attacks or insults. But bringing RL issues into the thread is a zero tolerance for me. It was done on JN maybe a decade ago and it was years before people were comfortable with that player again. No offense to you - keep playing and lolololing the thread as it's humorous and your gif game is legendary. It's just not my cup of tea, and that's not on you.

appeal to emotion

I was going to update my reads list, so I guess I will. Zander or Lenlo Turin Gud That's my scum team.

Sorry, that's gone now. The second somebody used an "outside issue" to explain a meltdown makes it impossible to identify. You want to honor any personal struggle not related to the game, but once it's in the game, people will use that.......and I think it's out of bounds. Unvote

So the AtE and self-voting has ruined what I was hoping was a way back to center for the town. I'm honestly not sure on Zander, but a couple people have thought him pretty townie, so I pushed on him to see if we'd get anybody to jump - only Turin did. More might have, but Zander imploded and then RTE even self-voted after that. Any momentum we might have been able to make was ruined.

I'm not caught up, but I'm going back into retirement after this game. We're all rusty, but if that's going to get people called bad and honorary scum or whatever because people are getting butthurt over internet guess who, I'm not bothering anymore. It was a mistake to come back.

I agree with this.

Wow. First of all, the "/Zander'd" at the bottom of my post should have clearly shown you it was a joke, but ok. Secondly, what you're doing here is called AtE as you well know.

If that's true, it's still a solid reads list. How about exactly in that world, so that you can claim exactly what you're claiming? Am I wrong here? Maybe. Does it make me "bad"? No, because I can explain your actions as cleanly as you can - we both just did it.