It started on JN, but I brought it back here and let it flourish in both places.

I can do this all day. -- Captain America ---Verbal

We used to be able to.

Whatever anybody says, nobody can say the WIM is not strong with you.

As for not moving my vote, I don't need to. Dice is majority right now, and even if it went random - both are in my WTL/POE and therefore I'm ok with it. This could be a relaxing afternoon. @Lenlo @Turin Turambar If Dice flips scum, tell me why one of you should not be the auto-lynch tomorrow. @dicetosser1 We aren't lynching RTE today. Tell me who it should be instead.

That's kind of where I'm at right now, yeah. I hate it, too. But that doesn't make it any less real. As for the seasoned thing - dude, you've played MANY games of mafia. That's seasoned. Are you rusty due to a long break? Sure, we all are. But you're still a seasoned player by any definition. I did not say what you think I said. I was pontificating on whether a scum!Lenlo would bus here or not, same as I did in that same post re: Dice & Turin on RTE (which was more a response to Zander).

....which give me pause on Dice & Lenlo as scum together. I'm not sure bussing here would be the right play for scum.

Then it's a self-fulfilling prophecy like I said, and it can't ever happen again. And yes, Lenlo would put in this much effort, because it's currently "easy effort" Arguing semantics with Heavy without having to ISO people or fight wars on multiple fronts isn't that hard for a seasoned player like him. Also: RTE - 2 (Dice, Turin) DICE - 4 (Zander, RTE, Cairos, Lenlo) LENLO - 3 (Gudrean, Heavy, Verbal) Do we really think Dice & Turin, 2 players in our POE, are bussing at this point in the game? Same for the Cairos/Lenlo vote on Dice. I don't see bussing at this point - I see a scum team trying to secure a town mislynch and put us in mylo.

This is absolutely fair, but look at it from my POV. I'm saying RTE is town, so would that negate the interaction-read between RTE and Cairos? If RTE was mod-confirmed town right this second, would that change your read on Cairos?

I missed this when I was multiquoting. For reference, this is what scum!Verbal would say in this position. Town!Verbal would fire back and try to completely remove the "reason". I know that's just me, and you're a different player. I'm just commenting on something that pings in my head when I see it.

I was actually referencing the glee in which you tried to lynch me without seeming to remotely allow for a townie-making-a-mistake situation. Perhaps my initial push on you was due to what you're referencing, but it's how you went at me afterwards towards the end of D1 that gave me the scum read. But that's not for now - please see my other recent post to you.

So you've probably seen that both Zander and I are taking RTE off the table. If we are wrong, trust me - that will end up being a self-fulfilling prophecy in that we'd never make that mistake again and it wouldn't be possible to. Heavy is partially in the same boat, but as a new player is getting a tiny bit of leeway in that maybe still scum? So let's say Heavy can stay in the POE for argument's sake. Cairos is not very active, and we just don't have time to policy lynch based on activity. So who else (maybe 2 more players?) would you be willing to add into the WTL for today, assuming Cairos and RTE are not allowed? Humor me, please.

I think I've tossed out a couple reasons so far this game, and according to the man himself, I'm the only one with reasons he can accept as at least not coming from OMGUS (my interpretation). To be fair, sometimes all it takes it that one interaction. Scum sometimes only make one mistake, which would be the townie's only point against them.

Not necessarily, but I feel better about this train than any other. That said, I'll consolidate if it makes sense.

Staying with my first solid read (to me), especially with the value of hindsight.