This is false. And not important at this time. It can be discussed after the game.

By Verb's logic (and yours) there is exactly 1 mafia in each voting pair, because otherwise a mafia pile on would have happened. There is a possibility that there is a mafia voting another in a big gambit. I know this isn't the case in my situation. I am doubtful it is in yours. Therefore, we must lynch within the voting pair. One of the two is mafia. I believe this is why you are certain Len is mafia. Does that make sense?

Oh my dog! I know what your saying. The signs all point to him as mafia. Why have I been pushing so hard? Why am I willing to let you go for Len first? What I'm saying is that I have been absolutely certain many times and ended up wrong. Maybe the wolves are waiting to make it look like he is mafia. Len could orchestrate that. He is cunning enough. I'm saying that although every fibre of my being screams he.is definitely mafia, in some strange set of circumstances I COULD BE WRONG.

I'm fine with a Lenlo vote if that's what it takes to get to RTE. But then Heavy has to be the counter train.

Spoken like a mafia afraid to vote a townie for low post count. Or maybe just wanting to look like he is pushing a teammate but not really doing it.

Again. I said I was going to try to play nicer. I was called mean more than once last game. This is a game where everyone is either new or returning from a layoff. If you get me ejected, you win. Congratulations.

I'm too nice? Both you and Heavy had meltdowns last game ( and to a lesser extent this game) and are new. We are trying to build a player base. I'm trying to give support to you both. Also trying to show how you can sort through the "stuff" that happens in this game, and highlighting when you are doing things well. Take it as you will. /rant

I tried to explain this. There are no absolutes in mafia. I can be sure in my head that something is true. I could be WRONG. I said before townies do dumb things. This game has loads of evidence. Could RTE have played this sketchy as town? Maybe, but I doubt it. I do still HAVE to take that small possibility into account. I've learned from many many times of being wrong about people that just because I believe doesn't make ita FACT. These things are all my opinions. Only the mafia know who the mafia are. I am using my best inferences and experience to try to come to conclusions. Old me would probably be trolling theabsolute stuffing out of RTE right now because I'm so confident I'm right but there is no point in it. So I've said my thoughts. Accept them or not. Ask more questions if you must. I'll answer them to the best of my ability.

No. Because your teammates only make 3. You need a townie to jump. Nice try. Next.

Cheeseburgers

When I read through the bulk of D1 I was looking for/at Dice. Zander had already claimed and hadn't been CC'd so I wasn't paying as much attention to the other things. I still noticed how sketchy RTE was ( I commented how I couldn't believe he didn't get rigged N1). I only noted a handful of things unrelated to Dice. I mostly I am not enthusiastic about reading day 2 due to the drama. It just brings me down. I may suck it up and do it but meh. I know I'm town so yeah. Look how dealt with RTE this day. I asked him to remove his vote if he was town. I can't make him. Do I know he is mafia. No. Because townies do dumb stuff all the time. Dice killed himself. Zander had a meltdown and revealed prematurely. Zander jumped off a likely mafia based on wagons onto what turned out to be a townie for what I believe to be bad reasoning (that we needed a solid majority to avoid expanded random and that the wagonomics would be diluted). There is always some doubt outside of a red peek.

Inn

Due to time and budget some arcs have to change in order to ensure that certain high points, like the columns get the time and detail they deserve. I for one can live with some things being cut, or moved about in order to see some if not all of the things I have waited literally decades to see. Mat stick down the princes for instance. Not quite the same, but still satisfying ( I do think they sorta missed a trick by not showing the boys abilities with staff and bow earlier. To be fair, I'm not sure how unless they did a contest at Bel tine).

Welcome to the party Verb. OK. You want either LENLO/HEAVY trains or RTE/TURIN trains. I can get behind that. I'm most confident RTE is mafia. If everyone decides I need to be the alternative, so be it. I stand ready.

At some point we have to trust ourselves and the people we think are the town. I'm town. I'm thinking it most likely that Heavy is town. I think you are town. I know Verb is town. I don't know if Verb is coming back or if he is just cooling off this weekend. If I'm right in my choices for town then the mafia is RTE, LENLO and CAIROS. I'm willing to vote any of them. My confidence level is in the order they are listed. From conversations I think Len and Cairos both said they would vote RTE. RTE said he is only voting me, Cairos or you. I think Cairos said he would vote Len also. I don't remember if Len said he would vote Cairos. At some point we have to vote or the mafia will vote enmass at DL and we lose. I guess we sleep on it. I'm not gonna be up too much longer tonight.

Cheesy

Still two mafias voting two townies. Hence >>>>

I have to go to work now. I'll be back in 6 hours or so.

If by some chance RTE is town, then I think mafia win with their NK tonight. This is why I said we need to have agreement before we start throwing votes around. We have time if you want to wait. I'm pretty confident he's mafia though.

Verb is definitely the vig because if he wasn't the real vig would have shot him. RTE proposed policy lunching him for inactivity. It could be a bus move that gives an easy "mafia read". Mafia only needs one more town lynch so if Lenlo can vote RTE today, he might be able to flip onto a townie tomorrow. I think the team is RTE, LENLO, and CAIROS. I'm willing to hear from Cairos and Verb before we choose.

Fair enough. Then we wait for Cairos, and/or Verb.

@HeavyHalfMoonBlade @Gudrean, What do you think?

That's a very telling VC. All the confirmed town are off the Cass train.