I can see that it could look like white knighting or extreme buddying. I made the call that based on my knowledge of Dar the person and the way her posts were "meh" to use your word that she was town and the problem was based on her being possibly the biggest potterhead in the entire WT. Additionally the lack of any sort of counter train reinforced that opinion as did the fact the person I most thought mafia(LZM) was the one most pushing it.

 

I always respond to people when I have time. Annoyed? Frustrated? I would say that is in your perception which is coloured by your pre existing expectation. Aka confirmation bias.

 

 

I find it humorous that people were trying to use my defense of her as a mark against her and that the only way I would be doing that is if we were teammates(turns out we are). Now that she flipped town, all previous stances are thrown out the window and and my defense can only be evidence of my guilt. The lack of consistent thought is mind boggling.

Not really confirmation bias when I've seen it over hundreds of mafia games, though.

 

Previous stances out the window? Like which ones? How is inconsistent thought occurring. Show me.

ISO devil. Yesterday near end of day se said if Dar flipped mafia he thought it made me guilty And if She flipped town he was most likely voting LZM. Today comes about and LZM is still not "very scummy" and I must be mafia whie knighting Dar.

 

That I have to do your #werk for you is both annoying and frustrating.

 

Would you care to answer my question about what you do tomorrow at lylo after you see me flip town and someone else dying during the night?

 

Since it looks like a bunch of people want to lynch me I'm gonna try to help you get a head start on your thinking for tomorrow since you won't be able to talk about it during the night.

 

If I get lynched, I will flip town. I used the 1x doc I got. Most likely a town dies tonight. It is now lylo

Question: Who do you suspect most?

You

read the entire question please.

 

It clearly states after I get lynched today, flip town, someone else dies tonight and it is lylo, who do YOU suspect then?

 

Verb, does that sound like annoyance or frustration?

Anyone?

Since it looks like a bunch of people want to lynch me I'm gonna try to help you get a head start on your thinking for tomorrow since you won't be able to talk about it during the night.

 

If I get lynched, I will flip town. I used the 1x doc I got. Most likely a town dies tonight. It is now lylo

Question: Who do you suspect most?

I can see that it could look like white knighting or extreme buddying. I made the call that based on my knowledge of Dar the person and the way her posts were "meh" to use your word that she was town and the problem was based on her being possibly the biggest potterhead in the entire WT. Additionally the lack of any sort of counter train reinforced that opinion as did the fact the person I most thought mafia(LZM) was the one most pushing it.

 

I always respond to people when I have time. Annoyed? Frustrated? I would say that is in your perception which is coloured by your pre existing expectation. Aka confirmation bias.

 

 

I find it humorous that people were trying to use my defense of her as a mark against her and that the only way I would be doing that is if we were teammates(turns out we are). Now that she flipped town, all previous stances are thrown out the window and and my defense can only be evidence of my guilt. The lack of consistent thought is mind boggling.

Once it was clear it could help town. Not as easy to see as a 1x cop claim. It should have at least created some doubt that was a wise place to vote.

 

That is my opinion at least.

False equivalence. The character claim is meaningless and can't be verified until that player dies.

 

The claim Dar made of a item that could help town was verifiable (unfortunately I misunderstood the dynamics of the role). Holding that vote on her in effect denying town that opportunity is anti town. To say otherwise is at best wrong and most likely mafia behavior.

 

Dar claimed her ability which in this game is as close to a role as we are getting. Your strangely choosing to be doubtful about facts and trusting on feels. Yes she did get one. Did you never read the thread?

 

I didn't miss your post about one playing in front. But that person is generally redirecting attention away from mafia. Who other than Dar have I been moving attention from?

I thought she just claimed an ability she got from a chest, can you tell me roughly which page it was on?

I'm on mobile but it was very close to EoD 2. So I would look back from there. There should be a link on the first page.

 

The ability was from a chest item as everyone in the game is vanilla/goon themselves.

Why are you putting any faith in a character claim when you were TOLD BY THE MOD that mafia had safe fake claims?

 

The names we have seen so far indicate that there are quite a few minor/background characters in the game.

Dar claimed her ability which in this game is as close to a role as we are getting. Your strangely choosing to be doubtful about facts and trusting on feels. Yes she did get one. Did you never read the thread?

 

I didn't miss your post about one playing in front. But that person is generally redirecting attention away from mafia. Who other than Dar have I been moving attention from?

[V] devil [/v]

 

Flip flop on his decision to vote LZM from yesterday. And his reading about me and Dar.

 

Also willing to vote LZM, verb.

 

Next level would be Charis, DJ, and Elgee.

 

Probably not voting Rhea or Lessa except for self preservation.

Twice. You've done this twice.

 

You'd make a good weatherman. Only occupation you can be wrong the majority of the time and still keep your job.

LOL.

 

I was wrong once. About Darthe. That is the nature of this internet guessing game. I stated my reasoning when I made my vote. To my knowledge only Verb has questioned my reasoning and that was only in that Darthe claimed a major character. It is my belief that there is a "major" character in the fakeclaims mafia were given. Therefore our names mean literally nothing.

 

Ed is a different story. I wanted to lynch you. I didn't want to lynch Dar because I thought she was town. (Turned out I was right there. I think that makes one more time than you) At its core mafia is a simple game. You try to lynch mafia and try to make sure you don't lynch town. I was not gonna sit on the side and let someone I thought was town get lynched without trying to do something about it. There were only a few people here at deadline so the choices were limited. I couldn't get enough support to lynch you. Nor my second choice of Charis. Ed was merely a random option that had done NOTHING to show he was town. In my mind better to lynch him than someone I think town.

Would have been more effective if Drogon had come in across the lines. Much more devastating.

Turin 103

LZM 79

Rhea 67

Verbal 49

Dar'Jen 22

Lessa Nikia 21

charis 18

Elgee 13

Devil 10

 

@Turin

 

I'm not putting any more effort in than I have if we've got folks who are averaging 2-3 posts per entire 24 hour day. Nothing against their activity, it's cool, but that's that.

don't play down to the LCD. Try to engage them and draw them into to conversation. Only mafia can lurk to win. Lead man. It takes a village. Set the example.

 

Can everyone please post their thoughts on all the other players? Who you are willing to vote at this point. Who you don't want to vote. And please say why. I promise it will help create useful conversation which improves our chances to find the mafia.

 

 

 

Why me over say LZM?

he's put himself out there more with his you/Dar = scum claims.....just not a good idea for scum to play THAT far out in front.....initial gut read

 

 

Why isn't DJ in the lurker group?

more active than the others (I think?)

 

 

Verb, do you have any actual game related thoughts. Like actual things that people have done?

Those are game related.

No that is just using post count. Try doing some werk. Half her posts are checking in don't know what's going on. Which is not an indictment of her as she is new, but is a question of your commitment to solve.

 

It's D3, time for more than gut reads. He's spent two days trying to lynch two townies and has misrepped Dar on his first big reason, then when called on it, pivoted to the flipside argument.

(In case you missed it. LZM said Dar noticed Dice character claiming in his first post. She didn't. She noted him claiming town. When this was pointed out to him he switched it up to say that Dice hadn't actually claimed town but had only claimed not a death eater. Which by expected flavor he could be both not a death water and mafia)

 

I also doubt how Town! Verb could be thinking I'm anything but town.

 

Family time now. Back later.

 

??

 

TMI?

 

??

maybe ask LZM? It was his reason to continue to push Dar.

 

Lemme ask you this, you said we should have backed off Darthe for his Harry Potter claim. Dar claimed an investigation role but you have no problem with the people that left votes there thru deadline? Including LZM? Explain that to me please.

If someone is thinking I'm scum cuz I pushed to lynch Daruya, might I suggest looking at those who were on both the mislynch trains....

 

Turin, Lessa and Charis were all three on both the Darthe mislynch and the Ed mislynch. Neither of my votes D1 or D2 counted.

 

So if you think I'm negligible for gunning on Daruya, think again. Those three are far more responsible for scums huge lead right now than I am.

 

I'll guarantee one of them is scum.

so you Would be okay voting Charis now?

I've been having trouble getting invested in the game, alongside irl responsibilities, which is why I haven't been posting that much.

 

LZM still doesn't strike me as particularly scummy despite Daruya's flip, but I'm not 100% convinced of their innocence either.

 

I can see the potential in the theory that Turin could have been buddying up with Daruya - if they're mafia that's a pretty logical play and would give us an actual reason for why Turin had been defending Daruya the whole game.

 

So, I'd be good with a Turin lynch today.

 

...If you don't all decide to lynch me for inactivity, that is. Which would be a bit of a shame, especially since I like this character and don't want her to die, but I can admit that I haven't been the most helpful townie this game so I can understand the reasoning behind it.

yesterday you said that if Dar flipped town you would most likely be voting LZM today and you thought the case on me only worked if I was mafia with Dar. What changed?

You are changing your criterion to keep from voting one player and to keep trying to lynch a townie.

 

You make a good point, LZM.

 

Trying to be more active, Verbal.

 

I suppose if anyone wants to use lack of participation as an indication of mafia, then I suppose I could throw Devil out there, thanks to Verbal's list. But I really don't think that participation or lack thereof is a good enough reason really to consider someone mafia.

In a vacuum, this logic is solid......but play enough games, and you'll be surprised at how often the bold actually proves to be false. People inherently prefer being a townie - it is "less stress". When people are scum, they are more cautious and afraid to post and give themselves (or their teammates) away. This naturally makes them post less and lurk.

So you decide to vote the post leader? Okaaaay

If someone is thinking I'm scum cuz I pushed to lynch Daruya, might I suggest looking at those who were on both the mislynch trains....

 

Turin, Lessa and Charis were all three on both the Darthe mislynch and the Ed mislynch. Neither of my votes D1 or D2 counted.

So if you think I'm negligible for gunning on Daruya, think again. Those three are far more responsible for scums huge lead right now than I am.

 

I'll guarantee one of them is scum.

bold: bad argument. Intent is the thing. Your using the argument that "officer I'm innocent because although I tried to rob the safe, I couldn't figure out the combination."

 

I certainly led the Ed lynch because I believed Dar was town and I didn't want to lynch a townie. Especially one with an item. I stated my purpose and reasoning at the time. There was enough support to make it happen. I have no regrets on that. Similar situation on D1. It was either Dar or Darthe IMO. I thought Dar town. Darthe I was uncertain of and I wasn't gonna let a character claim level me in this game. I made that pretty clear early.

 

As far as your responsibility I would contend that the opening of the slytherin door also led to the mafia advantage. D1 is the worst day to have to shoot. (It is my contention that the chests were linked to the houses not just to the order they were opened. I could well be wrong about that but I doubt it)

 

It is also the methods you have used to push your cases. The misrep and the shifting goal posts. Using my actions from a town game I played to accuse me of being mafia now. It's all false.

 

Why me over say LZM?

he's put himself out there more with his you/Dar = scum claims.....just not a good idea for scum to play THAT far out in front.....initial gut read

 

 

Why isn't DJ in the lurker group?

more active than the others (I think?)

 

 

Verb, do you have any actual game related thoughts. Like actual things that people have done?

Those are game related.

No that is just using post count. Try doing some werk. Half her posts are checking in don't know what's going on. Which is not an indictment of her as she is new, but is a question of your commitment to solve.

 

It's D3, time for more than gut reads. He's spent two days trying to lynch two townies and has misrepped Dar on his first big reason, then when called on it, pivoted to the flipside argument.

(In case you missed it. LZM said Dar noticed Dice character claiming in his first post. She didn't. She noted him claiming town. When this was pointed out to him he switched it up to say that Dice hadn't actually claimed town but had only claimed not a death eater. Which by expected flavor he could be both not a death water and mafia)

 

I also doubt how Town! Verb could be thinking I'm anything but town.

 

Family time now. Back later.

Turin

LZM

Rhea

 

Charis

Devil

Elgee

 

 

Pretty sure there is at least 1 scum in both groups.

So you would be perfectly fine with my charis/LZM trains idea?

 

Or does Lessa/DJ work better?

Verb, do you have any actual game related thoughts. Like actual things that people have done?

Why isn't DJ in the lurker group?

Why me over say LZM?

The priority at this point should be getting an answer for why Turin & Daruya did not unvote.  Based on those answers, we can continue to analyze votes and discuss......but this is a major issue that needs to be resolved, pronto.

I don't like that you made this post and then were gone from the game until after the D2 lynch. To me it is troubling because you basically put the spotlight on two townies. Dar is dead and confirmed and I know I'm town. I had already talked to Dice about the fact that I expected there to be at least one really big character that was set aside as a mafia fake claim so I felt my point was really clear. Add in that Darthe was basically doing nothing until his train built up and then tried to go for the biggest newb in the game with some mumbo jumbo (IMO) mad ethe whole thing look like he was mafia. 

 

Yes, I know that you rarely post on weekends. I think this might have been an exception. Hell I stayed up until 3 am because it was a critical point in the game and I really didn't want Dar lynched for meh reasons. I wanted LZM then but could only get voting support to lynch Ed. Who was exactly rand or slightly higher to be mafia but I had Dar as >>rand to be town so worst case scenario is we lynch a non posting townie that might be a liability later over someone I was confident was town. Turns out that is exactly what happened.