Well I just woke up from my nap and I have some thoughts. Beware because there is some setup info And speculation here... spoilered because I talk. Anyway I have suspicions on everyone but some are more tinfoil than anything. @ed2funy: (claimed vig) I would feel better about him if he had shot SD because that would have been better info wise. I saw him say he followed Peace on his shot. I want to see Eds take on both of those players. Also not a fan of his EoD1. @Darthe: I really don't like him jumping out to in his words hijack the game. His stating that he was 90% on SD with a little Ed sus only to nearly immediately go squirrel on Heavy sketches me the fluff out. Also his shushing my back and forth with DPR today was a bit odd. @HeavyHalfMoonBlade: I've been mostly leaning town here but there are occasional things that have struck me weird. I think there were some SD defense that seemed odd and his sitting on the sidelines at EoD was striking. i neee to look at his reads more. @Tigraine: not as present as I would like. I understand there is a lot of RL going on for her right now so I'm trying to work past it. I don't understand the viewpoint that saying you are town is not town. I mean everybody's town here right? I can see not giving cred for it but citing it as a negative I don't follow. Her EoD was somewhat concerning as well. It felt like she was never gonna vote anyone other than Peace but just held off for some reason. I dunno, why though?? @dicetosser1: I don't like overly grumpy Dice. It feels like a smokescreen. There was a point at EoD he flat out said he wasnt voting SD and now today he is firmly convinced that SD is mafia. Feels like a bus situation. It is worse for me because he has tried to link me with SD and intends to vote me tomorrow on a SD flip. I fully expect at some point today he will flip his vote to me if there is any chance to get me lynched even though he has no real case. He admitted as much at EoD and his attempt to link me to SD is flimsy as fluff. @SinisterDeath: I've said quite a bit already. The lack of real commitment to any take. His TMI defense of DPR (regardless of DPRs alignmealignment is more so.im not gonna rehash all of it here. @DPR: He didn't have SD as town all day. In fact he had him 1 spot out of his mafia group which is a common place for mafia to.place a teammate so they can sus some but not have to vote. He has constantly asked people to define their case on SD but wasn't willing to do the same for Peace saying things like "I've been clear". To me it is likely he is afraid he will contradict himself again. He has also been doing the "negging" thing that I associate with strong rep players when they role mafia. Tom was the one I remember it most from. Putting themselves above the fray. Calling play bad or dumb or garbage. If my take is bad then I think people will figure it out on their own. Thus last thing I just thought of during my nap (where I again dreamed of lunching large wolves). He has changes his arguments of why he had SD town more than once trying to find something that will resonate. He is changing because he doesn't really believe it himself. It's the same reason he contradicted himself when sussing me in the same sentence was both mafia and bad town. The nastiness was also apparent in his posts from beginning of today. That nastiness he said he uses as mafia. Anyway this is too long by half so sorry. Right now I'm convinced that SD and DPR are mafia. My current thought is Dice is the third but don't really trust anyone right now. The fact nothing happened while I typed this thing is frankly alarming to me.

Really? I thought the first thing seeds did was send one shoot out to get sunlight for energy to grow. Then build a good root structure to pull nutrients from the soil and build strength and endurance against weather. Maybe it's different for different types of things. Anyway. My contrary nature kinda wants 4. But 2 makes sense in this situation too I think. Yeah, I've talked myself into it.

I would say further that if it is allowed, that the doc (presuming one exists, which I'm not currently sure of) protects themselves. Their security is probably the most important mechanism left in the game. Ed, why did you wait to reveal you shot Tephulis? We could be several hours ahead in conversation if you had said so earlier.

I agree. Step up.

OK. I read your other post wrong. I read that you could be persuaded by Ed. That made no sense. What you meant was you could be persuaded to vote Ed. That makes more sense. I did find his EoD troubling.

OK. Gotta do em all!! With our friend.

These are SD reads from start of D2. I think this is all anti spew. Yeah, I'm pretty convinced SD and DPR are 2 of our 3 mafias. I'm gonna take a break.

SD last (maybe only based on his wording) town to mafia list of D1.

Disagree but I can see what you are saying. My mafia hero Shad says wolf in plain sight, so yes I think it is conceivable that they would. Possibly even subconsciously. Maybe you are their third? Lololololol I dunno, but his defense of you did not seem at the same level as that for DPR.

Discrediting the idea itself gives cover to not have to say it and to get people to not respect if they get called out for "awkward phrasing " later. DPR used disdain to do it earlier with his posts talking about my "fascination" with the LD role. In truth my advocacy is more about psychology and less about mechanics.

But he didn't tell people to not worry about you. That is the concerning line to me.

So you think the "shouldn't worry about this read" bit isn't suspicious?? I didn't care about the thought he gave it was about defending and basically clearing at that point despite him in fact having you down his list when it came out I believe. I'll have to keep slogging through the spam to check.

This is SD replying to me advocating about "I'm town". Can someone make it make sense?

This imo is SD's first serious game post where he replies to Tephulis giving reads.

Why Ed?

Magic

OK. I got it. Didn't get the quote info. My bad.i will respond to the parts that deserve a response but most of this is just Salty Pirate being Salty. 2 town deaths is very unfortunate. Most unfortunate, to be sure No one has claimed any kill. Not yet, but hopefully they all will soon! Has everyone checked in so far today? Scroll up 8 posts and find out For the record, I didn’t shoot anyone. If I would have had a shot I most likely would have shot SD as he was the other train when a townie got lynched. My other choice would have been DPR. No shit? I was looking at Peace's posts and he was talking a lot of general mafia sense. Exactly. That’s why we lynched him Town should be voting earlier in the day. Early votes. Check. That doesn't mean rush to lynch but I am going to ask that everyone have a vote on their top mafia before the last day, with the exception of hammering. So, not a list - those are bad. But a vote. Got it. It looks like he got lunched for 1. Trying to get the serious game started. That’s how we do it here 👍 2. Asking people to vote earlier and explain their reasons. Yep. Those were the two reasons. You’re right on target. More than one of the votes on him were reactionary to being asked to vote. So, in a game where everyone votes, we all voted to lynch the guy that asked us to vote… Turin cracked the game y’all. I also left off the last line because it was belligerent unnecessary negging. It's all sarcastic belligerent ranting until the Peace part. That's misrep. Peace was advocating for sensible things to do in a mafia game. Vote your conviction. Share thoughts. Discuss who and why you think is mafia. He was in people's faves and they didn't like it. But he wasn't wrong. Your response is true from a mafia perspective. That you are phrasing it sarcastically doesn't change that is most likely your thought process. The phase is only so long. People waiting until DL to have serious discussion leads to dead townies and unnecessary claims by Town PRs. Both only help mafia win. Another misrep. I never said lists were bad. I think everyone should give one every game day with the reasons they have for people. Especially if they have moved people around. You disagree with my PoV about his lunch? Explain yours. Every time someone asked you to explain your Peace vote you replied with disdain and something like "I've made myself clear". Mafia don't like to give reasons because they frequently are making stuff up and don't want to contradict themselves. Kinda like you did with having SD as town all of D1. You should probably just be posting funny cat pictures about now.

Well first it is nearly impossible to respond to your response in the quote because I can't see your responses in my reply. It is obnoxious. Please stop doing that. So I will go back and look because tbf, I didn't expand the quote before. So back in a while. Actually, I'll respond to the first part first. What mistakes did I make? And what facts did I have wrong? I've lost plenty of games as both alignments yes. You don't win them all. You just contradicted yourself. Your first line "I expect town Turin to be more objective and analytical." Then turn around and say "but you've done thus before and lost games for town because of it." The first is insinuating that I'm mafia but the second says this is a behaviour I've exhibited before as town, implying that you in fact know.im town. So am I good playing mafia, or bad playing town? Maybe it is Darthe and you are cooking up the TWTBAW angle to save SD again. Anyway, off to look at your post.

These are Ed's last two posts before DL. Imo the competing trains line indicates he will be about to help with a lunch. This is very fishy to me and reflective of his last mafia game. I think the way DPR treated SD puts them together firmly in my mind. This vote by Ed is really bad and the bounce is worse to me. I need to go through SD now. Dreading all the dice and stuff.

Darthe, can you please point out where DPR made TWTBAW comments about SD?

Thanks, I did dream of large wolves and lunching them, lolololololol

Why you so grumpy??? Okay so no Darthe, and no Ed yet. Really out now.

No. Not sweating the cards. I'm not sure if I posted this or not before but all of your occult things make me think of this... You seem a bit obsessed with me. I'm not special. But if you think I'm really mafia then vote. Make your case. Personally I feel that the preemptive attempt to discredit is funny. But it is after 2am my time so I'm going to bed.

VOTE DPR I'm fine with voting SD as well.