On 12/19/2021 at 6:17 AM, DaddyFinn said:

 

 

Lol it was literally just for the one shot that's in the trailer

1 hour ago, Sabio said:

I just saw the episode 8 teaser and it shows Mat, so it will be really interesting what Mat being in episode 8 all entails.

Really? That's interesting it really looked like that was going to be the last time we saw him this season. Can you link the video I can't seem to find an official promo for episode 8

lol depends how good the end of the season is for me, though I'd say I'm more likely to marathon it just before Season 2 comes out if I was going to

2 hours ago, king of nowhere said:

those who posted before me said it all regarding removing mat for the rest of the season.

 

regarding mat's character, remember that mat didn't have much of a character for the first two books, he blossomed later.

but i do agree, he miss the humor of book!mat

I didn't like Mat in the first book (even though he bacame my favourite character later) but after that I think he became a much better character even in book 2. I think his performance when he had the dagger was about right (btw why did they take it away from him cause he kinda needs it in book 2?) it's the before the dagger took him part that didn't work for me. I'd have liked them to show him lighter tone so they could show how much the dagger changed him. I always imagined Mat as a bit like Merry or Pippin from LoTR at the start of the book which is probably why I didn't like him at first because I found those two characters annoying at the start of LoTR. 

I wanted to post this because Mat is my favourite WoT character but I’m ultimately left conflicted by his character in this season. On the one hand I feel Barney Harris did a decent enough job with the material he had to work with, but what he had to work with didn’t seem to really capture the essence of Mat from the books that well in my opinion. To be honest it felt like he had gone to the dark side even before taking the dagger and I didn’t see anything roguish or charming or fun in him, which I’ve always thought were important parts of Mat’s character and is why I like him so much. 

I also notice they seem to have written Mat out of the rest of the season (I am assuming he won’t appear again?). I had known they had decided to recast the character like everyone else but had always assumed this happened after the end of the first season. Now from looking at the last couple of episodes it seems like they decided to do it in the middle of production. I don’t know the reason’s why and don’t want to speculate about the relationship of this actor with the rest of the production and I'm not trying to hate on anyone on either side but compared with other recasting in other TV and movies it does seem a little weird. If it was for a storytelling reason part of me wonders if it happened because they thought this version of the character just wasn’t working out?  
 

9 hours ago, Rand the Plumber said:

 

Suicide by Aes Sedai?  But yes, I do agree that he was accessory to his own death, while Moiraine stood firm and did her duty.

 

Personally I think he wanted to die. I mean his original plan was to just charge into an army of trollocs

9 minutes ago, DaddyFinn said:

Check the bonus material pictures in that episode. Got this from Dusty Wheel discord(seriously, there's great discussion and very active people who find stuff like this constantly).

 

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so is this a deleted scene? Do we have to wait for The Wheel of Time: Extended Editions to get the full thing?

I'm kinda mixed on the show so I put neutral. I'd say Episode 1 is a for me 5/10, Episode 2 is a 6.5/10 and Episode 3 is  a 7/10 so I'm liking them more with each one but I really wish Episode 1 was stronger

One thing I noticed in the show is that when they mention Egwene might become a wisdom in the show she said and Rand couldn't be together because wisdoms were not allowed to have families or get married. Maybe I'm misremembering this from the books but I don't remember any rule about wisdoms not being able to have husbands/partners in fact I seem to recall it was generally accepted that Egwene would train to be a wisdom and become betrothed to Rand before they leave Emond's Field. The position of Wisdom is not part of any religion or order so I cannot see the value to vows of chastity or celibacy. Am I getting this wrong and if not does anyone know why they might have made this change because I'm kinda puzzled by it   

25 minutes ago, DaddyFinn said:

Perrin killing his wife then going off on an adventure really bothers me, even still. I have faith that the writers won't treat it lightly, but still. That kind of trauma, dealt with realistically and responsibly, is really difficult for an adventure series to deal with.

 

 

This is exactly what I was thinking about it too. I mean they don't even have time to bury her

17 minutes ago, Blackbyrd said:

So overall not hearing Mat's orginal battle cry before the dagger, or seeing Perrin meet Elyas does hurt but it's nowhere near dealbreaker enough to stop me from appreciating the beats they're getting right. I remember reading one positive review who said something like- 'awkward- but compelling' that's about where I'm at, there's some awkward campiness but as a general fantasy fan rather than a book fan I feel compelled to watch on

 

wait are you saying Elyas is not going to appear at all??? I thought he was going to show up later. Dammit! ?

I wish we could have had a version of the scene with Mordeth

16 minutes ago, themann1086 said:

I'm just excited that we're getting to play "is this character a Darkfriend" again. Giving me some real nostalgia ?

Lol this might sound mean but I hope she is a darkfriend or at least that there is something more to her. As it stands she seemed like a pretty pointless character to me and even Perrin didn't seem very upset at he death. There didn't seem to be much love there almost felt like they were estranged, like he'd cheated on her or something.

5 minutes ago, MaxZorin said:

if you want to play that game 

3 minutes ago, LoRd PyrO said:

In the book, nynaeve said she could not heal him, Thom, suggested he be brought to the winespring inn. There he hinted at Moraine abilities and Warned Rand about the cost of her assistance. To me these are very pivotal moments in the first book. I do not think they should have been excluded which they were

I agree that is important. To be honest I feel we needed 2 episodes at Emonds's Field to establish the characters and social interactions and show Rand, Mat, Perrin and Egwene in their world before it is shattered. I feel 13 episodes might have been the ideal length for the season not 8 as there is so much to set up and they need to get the audience invested in this world

1 minute ago, MasterAblar said:

 

I actually feel like Trollocs were made much more of a threat in the show. In the books they're basically cannon fodder. Or maybe its just they made Moiraine and Lan less terrifying in battle?

I feel like they were a threat in both but in the books the first time we see a trolloc is when it bursts through Tam's door, then you have that close quarters fight. Here we see a lot more of the attack on the village which wasn't really covered in great detail in the book

Just now, LoRd PyrO said:

I also don't quite like the way Rands journey from the farm to the village was excluded. I do understand trying to keep his role as the dragon minimized I, however, I think that builds upon his character development quite importantly

The lack of scenes between Tam and Rand seem like a missed opportunity. I mean it might be years before we see Tam again now. 

Just now, Windigo said:

I have a feeling they will rely more on the tracking connection to Egwene  and the one power than her actual woodsmen tracking skills,   The book focuses on both, first showing her trying to read the tracks as she follows them, and later when she catches up to them,  Moraine explaining her connection to Egwene and sensing others with the One Power.

I guess they will have to because Moiraine never gave them the coins

1 minute ago, LoRd PyrO said:

Avid fan of the book series. Just watched s1 E1. Kind of confused and disappointed on the point of view and the adaptations from the storyline. Not sure if I am just expecting too much to stay with the original. There are a couple things that I do not like oh, and do not see how they can further the storyline. First and foremost among them would be that parent is married already oh, and there is no master and mistress Luhan. Also, where is Thom Merrilin?? Did I miss something?!!

keep watching if you want to see Thom. Also totally agree about Perrin's wife, don't get the point of her character so far

Okay after having watched all 3 episodes so far I'm kinda mixed on the show, so I'll split my opinions accordingly. These are the points that really stuck out for me.

The Bad 

• I think it was a mistake not to have a version of the prologue as the start of Episode 1 and Moiraine's explanation seemed very glossed over and rushed.
• Perrin's wife/partner seemed a completely pointless inclusion. She's in 3 scenes, barely says anything and is killed after about 30 mins. Even Perrin doesn't seem that upset about her death. They could have used the time spent on this character to develop other things such as the relationship the Emond's Field characters have with each other and their families and why they are important.
• I was pretty disappointed that Mordeth was cut completely from the Shadar Logoth scenes and Mat just randomly finds the dagger lying on the ground
• There is stuff that is rushed and other things that take longer than they need. For example after the attack in episode 1 everyone immediately sets off with Moiraine with a few seconds of her saying they must go there wasn't even any farewell moments. In contrast the scene where Nyneave catches up with them and Lan asks her to help Moiraine but first they have to have a little fight and she has to get tied up. Then is the next scene she agrees to help. There seems no need to have 2 scenes to do that in.
• I really don’t like the fact they seem to be implying there is sexual relationship between Moiraine and Lan    

The Good

• Beautiful visuals and set design and costumes. Everything looks well thought out and carefully crafted. Emond's Field looks great and Shadar Logoth looked just as I imagined it in the books. Also all of the gorgeous landscape shots, the Trolloc and Fade costumes and the human characters all looked great.

• The acting performances were pretty good. Obviously Lan and Moiraine stood out from the start but Rand, Mat and Egwene really came alive after the left Emond's Field. I wish we had got to spend some more time with them there particularly with Rand and Tam. Overall I think they will do well with the roles

• The action scenes and fight choreography are well done and were suitably intense enough and the violence felt appropriate with being a splatterfest. The scenes on horseback with also very majestic and evocative of the classic LoTR movies which I count as a positive because the looked good there and they look good here.

• This idea of Perrin’s link to the wolves is an intriguing change from the books. Lol I’m not sure I buy the fact someone would just stand still and let a wolf lick their wounds (it would probably be even more infected for a normal person now) but I am interested to see where that goes. I always thought the books rushed that a bit at the start suddenly Perrin can hear wolves, linking it to the wound might not be a bad idea depending on where they go with it.  

• The additional Whitecloak scenes. I thought they were suitably menacing and cruel and a calculated and cold manner. Eamon Valda is great (I mean he’s terrible but that’s the point). The scene where he’s burning the Aes Sedai and the unexpected meeting between them and Moiraine where both great scenes. The only thing I don’t like is their costumes. I always imagined them dressed more as soldiers than priests like a Templar look.

Anyway those are just a few of my thoughts so far sorry if my opinions differ from yours.

On 10/22/2021 at 5:31 PM, Elder_Haman said:

I think you'll find yourself in the minority there. I quite liked the old audio books as do many others who are active here. I am looking forward to hearing Rosamund's version though!

Personally speaking I could never get into the audiobook versions of WoT I think it was because the voices given to the characters in the audio version sounded so different to the voices I imagined them having when I read the books that I could never get immersed in the same way as with the books. Not trying to criticise people who do like them or the performances I think it's just a matter of personal preference. I think it's good they are offering a new version though. It would be good if they could do that with more audiobooks where you could pick your preferred voice or maybe see how different readers approach the material.

22 minutes ago, Agitel said:

 

Fear of death holds not my heart.

“Carai an Ellisande! Al Ellisande! Mordero daghain pas duente cuebiyar! Al Ellisande!”

“For the Honor of the Rose of the Sun! The Rose of the Sun! Fear of death holds not my heart! The Rose of the Sun!” ?

6 minutes ago, CaddySedai said:

Also if you have a cellphone you can 360 it by tilting and turning the device. 

 

For those who don't have the link:

 

 

 

So I take it everyone saw the message?

17 hours ago, Talya said:

Ehmm…hello, not sure if anyone around I know but Hi

Greetings, I'm afraid I don't know you, but if you are worried about strangers fear not! I promise I have had all my vaccinations and been properly de-wormed and neutered, also it's been years since I bit my last postman ?

Greetings Deadrabbit I'm glad to hear your name has a historical context and is not a reference to one of your pastimes/hobbies ?