Why not?

Heh, thought it might have been because I did post a music video and it was about Kurt Cobain not having a gun. (and I was one among many joking about DO NOT GIVE ED THE GUN) lmao. So I figured I'd just squash that now if that's where you were going.

I've had my vote parked on him this entire time dude.

/Just meming bro They shouldn't be too far back TBF. Sorry, just had to get the memes out of my system. This. I can't know if there is even a Bus Driver in play or who it was used on if it is in play, or any of the other multitude of uncertainties that exist (WIFOM). With the concrete information that is currently available on the table right now? That the Mentalist was used. That Darthe claimed it. No one has CC'd him, and as far as I know, there's no role in play that blocks users from talking? Unless someone claims Bus Driver, my vote's not moving, because the only thing that clears Turin is either, a Bus Driver claim, or a flip result on Turin. I was hoping that maybe whomever had the gun could have just 'offed me early so you could all see I was town, and then you could redirect the train towards Turin, but turns out the Gun's an EOD thing. (blasted thing) What if they've caught onto my D1 hints for Bus Driving and felt there was no risk to themselves from my role? (Mind, I've mentioned bus driver gives me a fekking headache). So... if you're convinced there's no bus driver, see the above paragraphs. @Ithillian Turambar because I don't feel like trying to find the quote. Who are my top suspects? Most to least wolf Turin - Here because of Darthe's mentalist check. Peace - Cranky Berf - rhymes with Barf Gud - suspected Siren? Ed - had a gun - Shot Heavy Shad - Suspected Weaponsmith Heavy - Former Apportioner Ithilian - Traffic Analyst I believe? Tarthe - Mentalist SD - Pokes dead things things with sticks.

Dice

Course I could be totally wrong about this that shit works to. And that was EOD as well. Okay, going back to listen to Dungeon Crawler Carl. This shits funny as hell.

Lol, yeah, I wasn't sure if that gun was like the governor and could just interrupt shit. Lolz

Well damn. There goes the idea of playing a little Russian Roulette, so we can get this train moving a different direction. @Darthe I'm sure the Wolves have already picked up on my role by now, but I've offered a few hints if you care to do a little digging...

Lolz that's not a slip at all. I've said I'm Town since D1. In the context of the post, I'm talking in the third person, and analytically about the situation of us both maintaining that we are town.. Per my question to DPR... At this point I'm ready to say, just shoot me, and you'll see I'm Town. Then you can resolve Turin.

@DPR does the gun only happen at EOD?

If there was no bus driver involved, then Turin is 100% Mafia. End of discussion. If no one fesses up to being a bus driver, then either 1) there never was a bus driver 2) it's in the Mafia's hands. In which case, we can't know if Darthe's read is accurate. So for now, I'm parked on Turin. (Oh no.... One vote! Wooooo)

The only one who confirmed was RIP!Darthe... I want to say RB roles are typically Mafia aligned, so it's likely Mafia could have started with Hot Potato. Or maybe town did, and got lucky and tossed it to Mafia. We won't know until we lynch all the Mafia... Yeah, DM sucks today. Blame Barm. Speaking of that... While I was mowing the lawn, I was thinking about that. I don't think I've ever played this game with Shad before. Though I feel like we've crossed paths on DM somewhere. (Seanchan maybe? ) So I'm kind of surprised he went to bat for a random townie. Why would another townie put his neck out, and put in so much... literal work like that, for another townie who's that close to the chopping block as it were? In the last game, when I was wolf, I know I went to bat for heavy on a couple of occasions on things that I felt other townies were... Misrepping him on, both because I have that need to try to correct the record when I see an error. But when I was playing a wolf last game, I also did it to make him look like he was a wolf with me. (Lol, sorry not sorry). However, As I evaluated this with what Shad did, and his possible motivations. I saw a possible... "What if he went to bat for me, so he could establish some serious town cred when I flip town?" But then I was like... But then he successfully? Diverterted my train? And if he was a wolf, and Teph was. Why would he get his teammate killed? It's a bit early to try to establish that level of town cred (IMO). Course. Then I went all And thought... What if he's the gunsmith, and gave Ed the Gun, hoping Ed would shoot me, and that would gain him town cred? Oh well. I'll probably have to sleep on this some to try and figure this crap out. Bus Drivers giving me a Headache. And I had a late game of D&D last night. Dumb asses were casting Speak with Dead on every damn thing...

If the target is killed. I suspect that it if the target isn't killed, the ability doesn't go to waste. Sure it would. Darthe says he viewed Turin and I. We have opposing alignments. I maintain I'm Town, he Maintains he's town. So, we have three possibilities. 1. He's a wolf. 2. He was bus drived with a wolf, and that corrupted Darthe's view. 3. I was bus drived by a wolf, and that corrupted Darthe's view. Ithi claims (9), night actions were used. Theoretically, bus driver fits within the 9 possible night actions that could have happened. (If) Town started the game with the bus, we might be able to figure out what wolf has it. (If) Town still has it, we might be able to figure out who was bussed, and that'll help me solve my vote... Maybe.

Read the bottom. Let's poke the bus driver, if one doesn't come out, then we work outwards.

That's a question for DPR. I do share Ed's suspicions that the gunsmith could Mafia. If the Gunsmith was Mafia, it would be a gamble to give it to town, (unless there's a stipulation that they can't give it to wolf?). But it's not like they aren't already all about manipulating trains, and getting the Eds of the world to shoot the people they've manipulated to be sus... Mafia universe is useless for figuring out if any of these roles are Mafia aligned or Town aligned. Hot Potato = Role Blocker, but could have just as easily been passed to Teph on N0. Apportioner = Could easily be Mafia. Theoretically... If whoever is doing the Mafia NK can be killed by the Siren. Then they could "protect" their teammate with the Apportioner. Siren = Could also be Mafia, Town, or even Mafia Smyp. (Mafia Universe lists this role as 3p) So here's my thought. The bus driver is a pass along role. So if someone used it last night, they should just come out and say so. If they won't, then that means it's now in Mafia hands. If you used it N0, you need to tell us who you sent it to. And hopefully, the bus driver didn't use it N0 and isn't currently dead...

Should have quoted this, with the above. Seeing as I posted the Nirvana song about not having a gun*.

Lol, I'm not the gunsmith. I have my sus who is tho, and I was pleading that Town not to give you one... after LAST game.

It does actually. I've said before that the bus driver role hurts my damn head.

Off to...

*pokes @dicetosser1 corpse with a stick* I suspect during the day phase he could always just vote for the person he peaked, and that'll tell us who the siren is. Lynch me or don't, but If Darthe is telling the truth on his alignment check, then Turin's the wolf. @Ithillian Turambar, your argument that "SD is defending himself instead of looking for wolves" is BS". If some one comes at me with accusations, I'm going to attempt to respond, regardless if I'm playing Town or Wolf. I'm going to spend time refuting their claims, either with logic or counter you with "Ad absurdum". That's just my personality. When I'm "done", with that, then I go and look at other people, and see what others have said, and what inconsistencies I'm spotting. Some of this "stream of concious" I'm posting. Is stuff I'm pointing at and saying "y'all seeing this shit? This look sus or am I just over reacting?". But, I find it incredibly... Sus that you continually move the goal posts. If I'm "defending myself" from an onslaught of attacks, I'm a wolf. If I point out sus behavior, I'm casting confusion and doubt. Or I'm changing the Ithillian narrative. So, I don't know if this is just... Wolf!Ithillian behavior, or just standard Ithillian manipulation behavior. Have a G'day!

Also of note. Even if you did get bussed, or if I did. Our alignments aren't affected. (I guess it helps to read bus driver again) So, yeah. Vote Turin.

What makes you assume you got bussed? And if you did.. with whom?

@Darthe and I just saw this on the first page.

I have my suspicions that I wasn't bus drived last night, but I can't guarantee Turin wasn't. If you're telling the truth about being a mentalist and you weren't hit with a bus driver... Then Turin's a wolf.

Sort of. I was goading into giving up some of your reads on Teph or heavy, to see if you were being manipulative as the clock was winding down, and you were put in that hot seat. I find people (wolves) are more likely to slip and make mistakes when they're under pressure, then when they've got time. If anything, that's probably one of the only reasons I wasn't immediately skeptical of Tephs "shoot the slankers named Ed or Tig" idea. Lolz. Can't be under pressure if you're not present.. lol That said. I think it's extremely sus that Ed shot Heavy. By all rights, why the hell didn't he shoot me? Did he believe Shad's analysis that much? Hmmm