[Basic]What's the theme? - ad lib mafia

[Eldrick4221]

What I don't get is why you suddenly dropped your suss on Darthe. It isn't explained at all. You say he is a concern because of Hally's defense of him. You have him on your suss list for...lack of presence.

 

Then suddenly you agree with AJ that he has been villagery. Pretty sure you are townreading him now, so my suss of you is for this flipflop

[Lenlo]

Sorry I been busy cause weekend. Will try later today to get full thoughts up after I skim the thread with knowledge Hallia is a wolf.

 

  On 1/21/2017 at 3:12 PM, Niniel said:

I´m finally caught up. Yay! 

 

My three mafia suspects are Verbal, Lenlo and Marsh. 

 

Verbal has been talked about. He voted Wifi when her train was as long as Hallias, although mentioning Hallia in the post above. I get what you mean about MrsClov now, AJ. You might be right. I don´t know about that. 

 

Lenlo, you say that you haven´t been fence sitting on Eld. My notes says that you started the game with liking him because he takes a stand. Then you agreed with AJ (after Eld voting AJ) that Eld jumped at anything. Then you listed him as mafia. Then you liked him reposting page 23. But after that you said that you don´t townread him for it. What are your thoughts on him now?

 

But the main reason for suspecting Lenlo is that he started with defending Hallia. Then he said that she is always like that but that he can´t read her. Later he said that he wouldn´t be against her lynch but didn´t vote her. 

 

Bop just posted the reasons for being suspicious of Marsh. He voted Wifi just "to even things up". And he later voted Eld instead to "make a stand".

 

 

I could vote anyone of them. I´ll go get some quotes that I wanted to comment on first. 

I dont see the contradiction in any of this. I started liking him with 4 pages of content. I agreed with AJ that once there was more content, he looked less good. Then on reread with about 20 pages of content I found him wolfy. Then he put in effort I wouldnt have expected of a wolf, so that brought him up abit. I dont see how thats fence sitting, thats a read evolving as new information presents itself.

 

As for Hallia, I said I am very bad at reading her but with no Zander or Shad in this game I was going to have to give it a shot. I did give it a shot and found her towny, but not towny enough to stone-wall defend her from some very valid accusations.

 

I dont see how any of those are fence sitting nor how any of those are anything more than an evolving read

[Andrej]

  On 1/21/2017 at 3:18 PM, Niniel said:

Btw, I have no idea who this Tina person is. Is she nice? :)

She's quite lovely

[Andrej]

I'll be around today but I'm gonna holster my thoughts do you guys can sort it out without my influence.

[bopolis]

  On 1/21/2017 at 4:57 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

What I don't get is why you suddenly dropped your suss on Darthe. It isn't explained at all. You say he is a concern because of Hally's defense of him. You have him on your suss list for...lack of presence.

 

Then suddenly you agree with AJ that he has been villagery. Pretty sure you are townreading him now, so my suss of you is for this flipflop

 

im flipflopping on him because I keep flip flopping on my read of him.

 

because i think his initial claim is town indicative but his drop off in activity makes me question that read, 

 

I agree with AJ that hallia defending him isn't very condemning but i understand why others think it is. When a wolf defends someone the baseline thought is they could be defending a wolfbro. The other side of that is that she's just defending him because she knows he's a villager. Hallia's flip makes me concerned about the first scenario, but that scenario is not overwhelmingly more likely than the other so i'm not particularly swayed by it at this point. However if say ironeyes turns out to be a wolf and we have two wolves, (hallia/ironeyes) both defending darthe on day 1, i'd be more swayed to consider him.

 

Also, even though i think it doesn't make sense for him to open with a watcher claim as mafia doesn't mean he can't play suboptimally or is doing it trying to level us or it was just early posting and his claim is NAI. So i'm not prepared to lock clear him based on that alone.

[bopolis]

  On 1/21/2017 at 3:18 PM, Niniel said:

 

  On 1/21/2017 at 2:11 PM, bopolis said:

eldrick, if you thought i was all for lynching darthe 100% if hallia flipped scum then you either misunderstood something i wrote or i put my thoughts into words poorly.

 

I thought it would look bad for darthe for level 1 reasons(which i explained) but that doesn't mean he is the automatic next lynch.

 

I still might even want to lynch him today depending on how my read on him is, the only thing i 100% know for sure is that there are four people i don't want to lynch at all and they are:

 

AJ

mrsClov

dice

nolder 

 

 

I see that Eld has changed his mind about Hallia defending Darthe = Darthe being mafia. Here it looks like you are changing your mind as well. Or are you? 

 

 

I don't think hallia defending darthe means he's guaranteed mafia, but i understand and see the concern, 

[bopolis]

also, yesterday i thought nolder/eldrick were wolfy for their tunnel on darthe and during the night phase i thought eldrick was wolfy so that had some impact on my read of darthe.

[bopolis]

i think niniel is a villager,

 

agree with alot of the reads and is looking at the game slot like I am WRT darthe's opening and subsequent drop-off, d1 nolder suss, marsh not looking good and other things.

[Eldrick4221]

My issue isn't with the flipflop itself. It's with the lack of reasoning behind it. You can explain it away all you want, but the fact of the matter is you didn't when it happened.

 

you agrewd quickly with me that Darthe was a concern when I first said that I would be going after him today. That was my first warning sign. You then agreed with AJ that he was probably town with no reasoning inbetween, so I havr been suss of you since that point.

 

Your reasoning on Wiffy was good, even though it was wrong. It's a point in your favor that you are looking deep for reasons like that.

 

You are currently my option for scum today, but it's not quite strong enough for a vote. I would really like to hear what other people think about all this. Whether or not it makes any sense to them.

[bopolis]

  On 1/21/2017 at 5:53 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

My issue isn't with the flipflop itself. It's with the lack of reasoning behind it. You can explain it away all you want, but the fact of the matter is you didn't when it happened.

 

you agrewd quickly with me that Darthe was a concern when I first said that I would be going after him today. That was my first warning sign. You then agreed with AJ that he was probably town with no reasoning inbetween, so I havr been suss of you since that point.

 

Your reasoning on Wiffy was good, even though it was wrong. It's a point in your favor that you are looking deep for reasons like that.

 

You are currently my option for scum today, but it's not quite strong enough for a vote. I would really like to hear what other people think about all this. Whether or not it makes any sense to them.

 

you do you then, can't explain myself any better. 

[Sooh]

Vote count:

 

Verbal (2): MrsClov, Niniel

 

Ironeyes (1): Bopolis

 

Not voting (8): Darthe, Ironeyes, Dice, AJ, Nolder, Verbal, Lenlo, Eldrick

 

 

 

EOD1 in: 

[bopolis]

so this is a pretty easy game if 

 

dice

AJ

mrsclov

 

niniel

nolder

eldrick

 

are all villas.

 

 

that means there are two in:

 

verbal/ironeyes/darthe/lenlo 

 

lynch me/NK AJ/ lynch ironeyes/NK clov/ lynch lenlo/ NK dice and you are at a final four of eldrick/nolder/niniel/darthe or game is over and two of them are scum. I don't think niniel is scum, eldrick probably not because of that wifi thing, and i don't think nolder/darthe are w/w unless day 1 was some kind of performance art. So I think worst case scenario you have 1 in that 4 and you can no lynch for a fun final three.

 

So even if you to lynch me today I don't think youre in that bad of shape, 

[Eldrick4221]

Your projection is inaccurate. If we get to those F4 and mislynch, they nk and we lose.

[Eldrick4221]

Missed the words no lynch...

[Eldrick4221]

Curious why you are suggesting we Lynch you first.

[Eldrick4221]

Also trying to figure out where you would put your teammate if you are scum. In the Lynch/nk list or the F4.

 

But the simple fact that you are providing the scenario in the first place looks good.

[Eldrick4221]

Not lynching verb today solely because it would be a blind Lynch as it's the weekend.

[Andrej]

  On 1/21/2017 at 6:30 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

Not lynching verb today solely because it would be a blind Lynch as it's the weekend.

lol

 

He's either a goon or vanilla town by now. What's blind about it?

[Andrej]

Sorry back to silence for me

[Eldrick4221]

  On 1/21/2017 at 6:32 PM, Andrej said:

 

  On 1/21/2017 at 6:30 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

Not lynching verb today solely because it would be a blind Lynch as it's the weekend.

lol

 

He's either a goon or vanilla town by now. What's blind about it?

...same reason it would have been for Hally. That he wouldn't be around to defend it.

 

Unless we have a different definition for 'blind lynch'

[Andrej]

No but it's pretty funny how your tune changed though.

[Eldrick4221]

You're right. I remembered wrong. Hally wouldn't have been a blind lynch, as she had the chance to defend herself. At the time of the discussion she had just simply not cobtributed.

 

I was never for blind lynching her or anyone.

[Andrej]

I talk myself in circles with you man lol

 

So who is your #1 today?

[Eldrick4221]

  On 1/21/2017 at 9:03 PM, Andrej said:

I talk myself in circles with you man lol

 

So who is your #1 today?

I will need to reread before I can answer that.

 

My top 3 on day 1 were darthe, Hally, and wiffy.

 

All are off the table for different reasons and I have to reevaluate.

 

Like I said earlier, Bop was my #1 recently, but I am swaying there.

[Eldrick4221]

I guess 2 are for the same reason :P