[Advanced] Lost Mafia--Game Over!

[Calder]

 

 

 

shad/eldrick/darthe

I don't think you should broadcast your target tonight. And if you have broadcasted it and don't wanna change it lie and say your changing it.

Thanks friends

 

or just shoot this dude.

Watch out nonbob. The vig gets to shoot whoever he wants. You dont get any say in it.

 

He doesn't have a shot...scum would have killed him.

That isn't true actually. If scum have a RBer they would just keep RBing him and force town to resolve him.

 

Your cult leader angle is better.

[Eldrick4221]

 

So Darthe. That was a test.

 

And you failed it miserably.

 

I wasn't asking your permission. I was asking your opinion.

 

You are a big ? because your claimed kill on sooh/bfg didn't happen. You are the only one that knows your role (unless of course you're mafia then your teammates obv do too)

 

I was asking something that I felt a Town vig would be willing to go along with. To probe he was telling the truth by another source.

 

And someone that was lying about their role would try to dodge or not give a straight answer.

 

 

And which did you do?

This may as all be in Spanish for ask the sense I can make of it, what are you even responding to?

...

 

Me asking you if you had objections to me tracking you, who I should track besides you, and why.

 

How wasn't that clear?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

shad/eldrick/darthe

 

I don't think you should broadcast your target tonight. And if you have broadcasted it and don't wanna change it lie and say your changing it.

 

Thanks friends

or just shoot this dude.

Why?

 

 

why not?

[Eldrick4221]

Darthe as Cult Leader fake claims role with two kills to ensure he gets as many recruits as possible. Not sure why you folks don't see that.

Now that's interesting.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

shad/eldrick/darthe

 

I don't think you should broadcast your target tonight. And if you have broadcasted it and don't wanna change it lie and say your changing it.

 

Thanks friends

or just shoot this dude.

Why?

why not?

Because I think he's town. After I got past the concept of his early read on me, the rest of his game has been solid.

 

Took me a while to get there, but I don't think he's scum, and am therefore opposed to his death.

 

Why are you for it?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

 

 

shad/eldrick/darthe

 

I don't think you should broadcast your target tonight. And if you have broadcasted it and don't wanna change it lie and say your changing it.

 

Thanks friends

or just shoot this dude.

Why?

why not?

Because I think he's town. After I got past the concept of his early read on me, the rest of his game has been solid.

 

Took me a while to get there, but I don't think he's scum, and am therefore opposed to his death.

 

Why are you for it?

 

 

Cause

[Calder]

 

 

 

 

shad/eldrick/darthe

I don't think you should broadcast your target tonight. And if you have broadcasted it and don't wanna change it lie and say your changing it.

Thanks friends

or just shoot this dude.

Why?

why not?

Because I think he's town. After I got past the concept of his early read on me, the rest of his game has been solid.

Took me a while to get there, but I don't think he's scum, and am therefore opposed to his death.

Why are you for it?

How has the rest of his game been solid?

 

What makes you say that?

[bopolis]

notbob,

 

how could you think he is cult leader, if anything he's a wolf with AJ.

 

AJ flipped claim generator, which sounds to me something that makes up roles to claim,

 

Darthe when lead wagon has claimed an unverified role.

 

We have two information roles claimed as well.

 

 

If one of the info roles get roleblocked and darthe still doesn't get a shot off, he would drop straight to the bottom of the wolf list.

[Darthe]

 

 

So Darthe. That was a test.

 

And you failed it miserably.

 

I wasn't asking your permission. I was asking your opinion.

 

You are a big ? because your claimed kill on sooh/bfg didn't happen. You are the only one that knows your role (unless of course you're mafia then your teammates obv do too)

 

I was asking something that I felt a Town vig would be willing to go along with. To probe he was telling the truth by another source.

 

And someone that was lying about their role would try to dodge or not give a straight answer.

 

 

And which did you do?

This may as all be in Spanish for ask the sense I can make of it, what are you even responding to?

...

 

Me asking you if you had objections to me tracking you, who I should track besides you, and why.

 

How wasn't that clear?

Pretty unclear. I stand by my opinion of your track, claim, etc.

[Darthe]

 

Darthe as Cult Leader fake claims role with two kills to ensure he gets as many recruits as possible. Not sure why you folks don't see that.

Now that's interesting.

Bold, but id love to do it sometime.

[Darthe]

notbob,

 

how could you think he is cult leader, if anything he's a wolf with AJ.

 

AJ flipped claim generator, which sounds to me something that makes up roles to claim,

 

Darthe when lead wagon has claimed an unverified role.

 

We have two information roles claimed as well.

 

 

If one of the info roles get roleblocked and darthe still doesn't get a shot off, he would drop straight to the bottom of the wolf list.

This right here should clear things up. If they claim no result and I have an ability not go through then thats a problem.

[Darthe]

 

 

 

Also curious where bop falls on your list.

Because it very much looks like you are quoting his list to agree with it and then copying his list to answer me.

 

Bop is someone I need to look into more closely.

Outside claims, I agree that Calder (in particular) and Tiinker are unlikely to be teamed with AJ.

WiFis list and posts quoted by Shad ~sound like town!Wifi (another lazy read though), I still haven't come across a post that screams town for her, but a quiet shout is still pretty good. I also haven't ISOd her yet so the possibility that I've missed it is high.

That's basically Bops town list, people who have claims made in a way that implies town (Shad never fake claims to kill a teammate, you probably don't claim to help Calder if mafia, Darthe is unlikely to fake claim vig since it's a proveable role), the 2 players who are most spewed by AJs death and a consensus town, whose there because concensus not because he's reading her town

So the generic list is fine.

His posts generically are fine, from what I recall he was (very?) early calling you town and I always like early game play. He tangled with DPR(?) Day 1 as opposed to being more passive

Gut vibe from Day 1 would be town, but I want to check his reactions to Calders case

He's also ideal recruit material, and the fact that there's been so much discussion about a cult without either panic or a complete shut down of it, coupled with AJ flipping Other instead of mafia implies at the least a faction game and likely a cult :/

Darthe as Cult Leader fake claims role with two kills to ensure he gets as many recruits as possible. Not sure why you folks don't see that.

I see it as a strong possibility. I was just gonna stay quiet and wait to be selected.

You know I'd pick you first

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

notbob,

 

how could you think he is cult leader, if anything he's a wolf with AJ.

 

AJ flipped claim generator, which sounds to me something that makes up roles to claim,

 

Darthe when lead wagon has claimed an unverified role.

 

We have two information roles claimed as well.

 

 

If one of the info roles get roleblocked and darthe still doesn't get a shot off, he would drop straight to the bottom of the wolf list.

 

...and how many extra nights does darthe get to recruit?  seems deliberately obtuse....

[bopolis]

 

notbob,

 

how could you think he is cult leader, if anything he's a wolf with AJ.

 

AJ flipped claim generator, which sounds to me something that makes up roles to claim,

 

Darthe when lead wagon has claimed an unverified role.

 

We have two information roles claimed as well.

 

 

If one of the info roles get roleblocked and darthe still doesn't get a shot off, he would drop straight to the bottom of the wolf list.

 

...and how many extra nights does darthe get to recruit?  seems deliberately obtuse....

 

 

 

something something pot kettle something something

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

 

Tiinker is scum if it makes anyone feel better.

[V]Tiinker[/v]

 

  

not bob still a wolf by the way

 

These posts bother me more than his not caring once people start going after Notbob.

When calder voted tink, bop posted a gif showing approval of the vote, even though he hadn't even mentioned tink yet.

And then there's the post pushing the idea that Notbob is scum, based on apparently nothing.

And the post I quoted earlier with his response to darthe voting Notbob.

It all just adds up to bop seeming to just want someone lynched, not caring about alignment.

[V]Bop [/v]

at that point in the game tiink had contributed nothing game related just like notbob IMO. So yeah, i supported calder prodding in that direction to see what happened. Because him prodding tiinker is pretty much the same thing i'm doing with prodding notbob(that is if you believe it's just a play).

 

since then i don't think tiink has contributed much except for a push against daarth and then some somewhat consensu reads(shad being town being one of them) [sidenote: daarth, these are actually from notes in a notepad so i do both, but when its about me i tend to remember it more probably because im more aware when my name is being mentioned or that i'm self centered or possibly both]. The reason the daarth read gives me a little bit of pause is because when i read it i believed he was trying to figure out daarth's alignment. Though none of his posts/reads since have given me those feels so i'm not inclined to stick up in his defense if he is gonna get lynched.

 

if i really had my way i would clear out all of random,sooh,tiinker,notbob,wildfire and then re-evaluate from there(these are people i either don't have a strong read on or im reading wolfy, to be specific sooh/random i have no read on and the rest various degrees of wolfy but none at a high confidence level). I don't include calder/DPR there because of their suspicion of notbob, so i want to see notbob's flip and re-evaluate on them(again this is assuming my push on notbob is a play).

 

Since I can't purge all of them and can only lynch one, i'd prefer notbob, which i believe i've either suggested or outright said, but as long as the lynch falls in that grouping im fine If people want to lynch someone i'm reading town then i'd advocate in their defense.

 

If you think this is me not caring who gets lynched, then i don't know what to tell you. To a degree i really don't care as long as it isn't:

shad

androj

nyn/hallia

pralaya

eld

darthe

lenlo

  

 

 

 

 

Its..Its hard to say, exactly. What do you mean by situational ethics?

With him, the progression in thread for him, the way his reads change, it just doesn't feel fake to me.

 

We should not change the nature of the crime by the person who commits it. You suggested my play was "strange" because I was too neutral...now we see the same thing in Eldrick and you're OK with it. This is looks like Situational Ethics. It's early so I will not vote you for it here but it's something that bears watching.

But it does. All humans are different and should be treated as such. If I do something, it has different implications than if someone like say, AJ, did it. We are two different people with different playstyles.

Id appreciate seeing more folks weigh in on the whole situational ethics bit. Hally has a good response but I think it's an alignment indicative post for NB and I honestly dont know what I think of it.

 

I think NB is pushing alot of villagers

 

(shad, eldrick, Nyn) and his reasoning i don't follow or i find weak(for example shad because post count and eldrick to clear the chaff)

 

AJ said he's a straightforward read and a straight shooter early in the day then last night he said i need to throw out conventional wisdom to read NB. That puzzled me a bit since the two posts are contradictory IMO(throwing out conventional wisdom contradicts with straightforwardness). Also while people have agreed that NB seems wolfy, there appears to be a palpable resistance to voting his wagon since it couldn't get above a couple votes.

  

i don't think its that hard of a game right now.

 

I have shad/hydra/eld/darthe as my top villas

 

calder/AJ are either v/v or v/w but never w/w in my opinion.

 

If calder is a wolf AJ a villa, lenlo more likely villa tiink probably a villa(because i think the way calder pushed him looks good if calder flips wolf) leaving the wolves in random/bfg/wifi/pralaya maybe NB but if AJ is a villa i'd be more trusting in his NB read

 

If AJ is a wolf, then calder a villa, tiink probably a villa(because i don't think AJ/tiink are w/w based on their back and forth from last night), NB probably a wolf because of AJ's defense of NB,  leaving wolves in lenlo/wifi/bfg/random/pralaya. 

 

and if they are both v/v then the wolves are still in random/bfg/wifi/lenlo/pralaya/tiinker

 

There are several names that keep coming up over and over again and these are the names I think should be the biggest question marks and where we should be shooting/focusing our attention.

 

A few of you express concern about if im trying to help or mislead the town. If you think that's the case then i'm fine being a sacrifice for you all. I can go play pattycake in valhalla with DPR, no problemo. If that's what you wish though just follow this.

 

im currently super hot for shooting sooh pralaya based solely on the fact that they were around on the forums throughout the end of day but never chimed in or said anything and that is a huge trigger for me.

 

hit me up with your thoughts concerns comments.

 

There may be other things people have done that look good depending on the calder/AJ flip but i forgot them, so if you think them being a wolf makes you extremely good, and you wonder why I am forgetting to mention that, pre-emptive apologies.

 

yours in bop

  

 

It was just really weird for you to agree with the idea that if you were scum then random is probably town.

Trying to see how that could come from a Town pov of thinking random is scum is hurting my head.

 

 

im saying if i die and flip scum then random is town.

 

When i say this comment, do you think i'm saying there is a chance i'm going to flip scum or do you think i'm being facetious

 

honest question.

 

If you think i'm saying it's possible i'm flipping scum then you need to take a time out and marinate on things for a bit.

  

Calder,

 

what do you think of eldrick claiming tracker and tracking you to nowhere? 

 

Does that influence your read on him at all?

 

 

Here are some posts of his that I particularly liked. That I feel are coming from a Town PoV.

 

Incidentally, it's the discussion we had about him agreeing that if he was scum that random was probably town that made me start reconsidering him.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

notbob,

 

how could you think he is cult leader, if anything he's a wolf with AJ.

 

AJ flipped claim generator, which sounds to me something that makes up roles to claim,

 

Darthe when lead wagon has claimed an unverified role.

 

We have two information roles claimed as well.

 

 

If one of the info roles get roleblocked and darthe still doesn't get a shot off, he would drop straight to the bottom of the wolf list.

 

...and how many extra nights does darthe get to recruit?  seems deliberately obtuse....

 

 

 

something something pot kettle something something

 

 

and the next night you'll have another story...so yeah...the question is who is cult?  you have another candidate?

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

 

So Darthe. That was a test.

 

And you failed it miserably.

 

I wasn't asking your permission. I was asking your opinion.

 

You are a big ? because your claimed kill on sooh/bfg didn't happen. You are the only one that knows your role (unless of course you're mafia then your teammates obv do too)

 

I was asking something that I felt a Town vig would be willing to go along with. To probe he was telling the truth by another source.

 

And someone that was lying about their role would try to dodge or not give a straight answer.

 

 

And which did you do?

This may as all be in Spanish for ask the sense I can make of it, what are you even responding to?

...

 

Me asking you if you had objections to me tracking you, who I should track besides you, and why.

 

How wasn't that clear?

Pretty unclear. I stand by my opinion of your track, claim, etc.

And that is one of you don't care if you get resolved. Which is my point.

[Calder]

 

 

 

 

Also curious where bop falls on your list.

Because it very much looks like you are quoting his list to agree with it and then copying his list to answer me.

Bop is someone I need to look into more closely.

Outside claims, I agree that Calder (in particular) and Tiinker are unlikely to be teamed with AJ.

WiFis list and posts quoted by Shad ~sound like town!Wifi (another lazy read though), I still haven't come across a post that screams town for her, but a quiet shout is still pretty good. I also haven't ISOd her yet so the possibility that I've missed it is high.

That's basically Bops town list, people who have claims made in a way that implies town (Shad never fake claims to kill a teammate, you probably don't claim to help Calder if mafia, Darthe is unlikely to fake claim vig since it's a proveable role), the 2 players who are most spewed by AJs death and a consensus town, whose there because concensus not because he's reading her town

So the generic list is fine.

His posts generically are fine, from what I recall he was (very?) early calling you town and I always like early game play. He tangled with DPR(?) Day 1 as opposed to being more passive

Gut vibe from Day 1 would be town, but I want to check his reactions to Calders case

He's also ideal recruit material, and the fact that there's been so much discussion about a cult without either panic or a complete shut down of it, coupled with AJ flipping Other instead of mafia implies at the least a faction game and likely a cult :/

Darthe as Cult Leader fake claims role with two kills to ensure he gets as many recruits as possible. Not sure why you folks don't see that.

I see it as a strong possibility. I was just gonna stay quiet and wait to be selected.

You know I'd pick you first

I would be pretty upset if ya didnt. Alright your clear.

[bopolis]

 

 

 

notbob,

 

how could you think he is cult leader, if anything he's a wolf with AJ.

 

AJ flipped claim generator, which sounds to me something that makes up roles to claim,

 

Darthe when lead wagon has claimed an unverified role.

 

We have two information roles claimed as well.

 

 

If one of the info roles get roleblocked and darthe still doesn't get a shot off, he would drop straight to the bottom of the wolf list.

 

...and how many extra nights does darthe get to recruit?  seems deliberately obtuse....

 

 

 

something something pot kettle something something

 

 

and the next night you'll have another story...so yeah...the question is who is cult?  you have another candidate?

 

Focus on finding scum and if in the process we kill cult we re-evaluate.

 

EZ PZ

[Eldrick4221]

Focus on finding scum and if in the process we kill cult we re-evaluate.

 

EZ PZ

(thumbsup)

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Maybe we need more transparency...I know I'm old...and I don't want this to come out wrong...but I've always been attracted to Kate Austen...please let Daddy know if you're OK.

[Eldrick4221]

Lenlo. If you can do what I think you can, you should check Darthe.

 

Nonbob's idea has merit.

[Eldrick4221]

Or I might. And see if his target dies. Hmm.

[bopolis]

Maybe we need more transparency...I know I'm old...and I don't want this to come out wrong...but I've always been attracted to Kate Austen...please let Daddy know if you're OK.

 

now this is something i can get behind

 

 

 

[Eldrick4221]

 

Maybe we need more transparency...I know I'm old...and I don't want this to come out wrong...but I've always been attracted to Kate Austen...please let Daddy know if you're OK.

now this is something i can get behind

 

 

Giggity