Hackers Mafia - Game Thread [Game Over]

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

I wanna get Sooh's input before I put a serious vote down, but am leaning Notbob.

Why specifically Sooh/NotBob?

 

Tell me to go ISO if you're jack of my tunnel-vision already and it's already in thread, this is just easier for me atp :p

 

Has NotBob been scummy or just quiet/absent?

 

 

Neither.  maybe you should just go back and read...or take the easy path and join me on Eldrick...together we can rid this thread of scum.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

I wanna get Sooh's input before I put a serious vote down, but am leaning Notbob.

Why specifically Sooh/NotBob?

 

Tell me to go ISO if you're jack of my tunnel-vision already and it's already in thread, this is just easier for me atp :p

 

Has NotBob been scummy or just quiet/absent?

Sooh is my hydra partner. Her input to me is invaluable.

 

Notbob is my lowest read because of his content so far. Voted manbat. Gave a crap reason for it. Voted me. Gave a crap reason for that too. After I questioned him about his crap reason, he called me defensive. His only vaguely useful contribution is a hypothetical Zander having a day vig question.

 

So if it were only up to me, I'd be already voting notbob.

 

 

...and yet you're not...telling...

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

I'm on page 28 and I hate you all! Why so many posts omg!

 

Also I don't understand the animosity in the thread at that point. Seriously. 

 

What struck you the most?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

I'm on page 28 and I hate you all! Why so many posts omg!

 

Also I don't understand the animosity in the thread at that point. Seriously. 

 

Yeah, Mod removed Nyn and manbat after a while of that. Just power through, it gets better.

 

 

Also, someone proposed Cop, doc, vig

 

Cop Zander

Doc Marsh

Vig Notbob

 

I'll bite:

 

Cop: Sock

Doc: Marsh

Vig: Cass

 

 

Poor Cop choice here but you make up for it with the vig shot.

 

Who is Marsh and why should the Doc protect her?

[Calder]

 

Yea. I have an open mind. Mostly bc nothing you have said has looked off in any way to me. Eldrick just feels very scummy.

 

Curious on one thing though. Do you usually read Eldrick as town when he is town?

 

I'm asking as someone who has been on the mislynch wagon on Eldrick many many times.

I dont know that I have played any games with Eldrick other than the time in Gods and Demons when he was the IC stump and I was one of the cult recruiters.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

Maybe have to ignore Eldrick and read the game ! Don't care what alignment he is, I will let others read him ... too many posts

 

another reason to vote him, don't you think?

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

Eldrick has far outpaced any version of his wolf game I've ever seen

So

/shrug

Megapeek

Bad reason. I'm always a high volume poster. This is null.

This post was aids to me btw. My scum partners in past games have shown the same need to inform people of when a town read is based off bad reasons. They seem to think it will make them look more towny.

 

It doesnt. It makes you look like your main concern is trying to look townie. So I will be voting Eldrick for now.

 

[v]Eldrick[/v]

 

 

This guy gets it.   

[Zander?]

 

 

As if to prove my point, Zander votes me without reason

 

OMGUS is not a valid reason?!?!?!?!

 

You pick and choose where to use Meta in your reads list where it seems to fit.

 

Your need to fire out a reads list when I mention substance issue reads defensive to me.

 

Your focus also seems more constricted this game and not broad based.

 

 

Yes, I decided to create a reads list when it was pointed out I hadn't provided much substance. If that's not at least equal in validity to an OMGUS vote, then I don't know what is. Oh, except that I provided reasons with mine. 

 

My focus has been as broad as I can make it so far. As for meta - Yes, i finally have some to use, so I'm using it as sparingly as I can, while only having so much to go off from the current game so far. Based on the CURRENT game, I have found your play less in the service of town, and more in the service of OMGUS and being defensive. That - I get a bad vibe from. 

 

 

But youre picking and choosing where to use the Meta and thats weird.

 

Also you saying Im not playing the same way as I played IC is different then here.  Well its a PR where I cant be mislynched, so I could do w/e I want.  I play IC differently then normal Town.

 

And as far as OMGUS, ask others if that something alignment indicative of me either way.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

Calder, besides Eldrick and myself, what are your strongest reads atm? Town or scum.

I am about to make breakfast and get ready for work. I will answer your question in about 2 hours or so. Just dont have the time this second to give you anything detailed.

 

Kk, I'd like to get the time to talk to you at some point before the end of the phase, and I think that's a good place to start to see if we can get some sort of mutual understanding going, or see if we can understand what the other person is seeing.

 

 

I like Sooh...her narrative is very calm and thought provoking.  Unfortunately, she's more interested in promoting that she and her hydra are town rather than just hunting for scum.

[Zander?]

To answer Darthe, here's my current-game reasons for leaning town on Dice:

 

 

oh no i didnt screw up  thought id quoted monstr too

 

@monstr  dont get lost in ATE bro  stay with us.

 

 

re monstrs core  he asked people he has meta with is how i looked at it and whose responses he was happy with. It is a common thing to ask opinions of people you are trusting or who are on the same wavelength as you.

 

He gave a clear, concise defense of someone I was beginning to FOS. He didn't jump onto a train, he provided information I had asked for and needed to make a decision, and that just feels town at this point in the game. HIs comment and subsequent dealings with Zander:

 

 

@monstr   Nyce is Town. Simple.

 

Notice tho that I voted Zander and he hasnt said a WORD about it despite replying to things posted after it.

 

Combined with Zander's OMGUS vote on me after my first reads list makes me wonder if my town lean on Dice following this exchange didn't ruffle his feathers. Feeling a bit more confident on my Zander read too. 

 

For Sooh, most of her posts were before and at page 21, and looked like this:

 

 

 

@Sooh

 

& mustard has no calories. It sells itself. Delicious and great for the waistline. It cant be.

mmmm more mustard for me plz

 

 

I can't base a read off that, so I went on what I had with the other head of the hydra. 

 

For Calder, his activity ceases around the same time. Most of it is regarding sandwiches and whatnot, but that's how he started last game as well. his few game related posts didn't give me huge vibes either way, but it's an early D1 read. 

 

What troubles me is both Zander AND Darthe's snap votes on me. Sure Darthe asked questions, and him claiming he won't read is both false and perfectly in line with his play, but Zander literally said he just did it as OMGUS, which seems a bad reason when responding to an entire reads list. Zander also doesn't seem the type to just vote when town and scum hunting, he's well-spoken enough to create a case or at least an FOS

 

Vote Zander

 

Where did I say it was just the red???

 

Also I want to hear others weigh in on the rest.

 

I find it quite funny.

[鲍勃不是我的名字]

 

 

 

As if to prove my point, Zander votes me without reason

 

OMGUS is not a valid reason?!?!?!?!

 

You pick and choose where to use Meta in your reads list where it seems to fit.

 

Your need to fire out a reads list when I mention substance issue reads defensive to me.

 

Your focus also seems more constricted this game and not broad based.

 

 

Yes, I decided to create a reads list when it was pointed out I hadn't provided much substance. If that's not at least equal in validity to an OMGUS vote, then I don't know what is. Oh, except that I provided reasons with mine. 

 

My focus has been as broad as I can make it so far. As for meta - Yes, i finally have some to use, so I'm using it as sparingly as I can, while only having so much to go off from the current game so far. Based on the CURRENT game, I have found your play less in the service of town, and more in the service of OMGUS and being defensive. That - I get a bad vibe from. 

 

 

But youre picking and choosing where to use the Meta and thats weird.

 

Also you saying Im not playing the same way as I played IC is different then here.  Well its a PR where I cant be mislynched, so I could do w/e I want.  I play IC differently then normal Town.

 

And as far as OMGUS, ask others if that something alignment indicative of me either way.

 

 

Dude, you're scummy as all get out this game.  Pick up the pace or...

[Zander?]

Here for a couple of hours while pretending to work at work. 

I still have a couple of pages to catch up on, but there are some things I find really annoying. First off it's the notion that when people do something that's not within their meta it is scummy. It might be, but there are more factors that need to weigh into a read such as that. I'm worried this site is becoming way too meta heavy, and we'll run ourselves into a wall because we're not willing to open our minds and try to look at motivations for changed behavior other than different= scum. 

 

Meta is also SO EASY to rely on as scum when you're trying to get someone lynched. If that someone has been just a little different to what they normally behave like, you can just harp and harp on that until eventually people agree with you. That's not good guys!

 

I'm also really confused that people have actually tried reading me off my posts from yesterday. Yesterday by the time I went to bed the thread had barely moved out of the joke phase, and I think the only game related thing I said was that I was feeling ok about Zander's early game. I guess if your read on me is based on meta factors such as fairly high post count and light tone you can town read me off of that, but tbh I don't think any of that would have been impossible for me to say as scum, especially not early D1. 

 

I hope during the rest of D1 I can get to talk to each of you a little bit individually, because I find that I can more easily assess alignment then. Whoever's online, you're up next!

 

Sooh youre doing a lot of talking but not any Scum Hunting imo.

[Zander?]

@cass while I did dig into monstr a bit, you'll notice I never voted. I was simply trying to get into the small bit of gameplay actually happening.

 

I've only played one game with Zander, it was the recent Buffy game. Dice, Calder, marsh and darthe were there too. Zander was IC that game, so he was town the whole way. IMO he played that game entire different than he has so far.

 

I'm not pushing a lynch on him just yet, but I'm good with my vote for now.

 

As for the Sooh thing, I don't consider it jumping to defend myself when someone asks questions or points things out. What I DO and always will do, is to ensure if something's asked of or addressed to me, I'll explain myself to avoid miscommunication.

 

Finally, I may be a bit less experienced with Zander than yourself or others, but when he was town that game he had the highest post count by a fair margin, and almost all of it felt townie to an extent - anti scum at least. That's not been my impression of him this game yet, so I acted.

 

Ive lead the PC as Scum too.

 

So what else?

[Zander?]

Oh, and ZAAAAAAAANDERRRRRRRRRRRRR! What I've read of yours seems flat.

 

If you're Town

 

LET'S GO LUNCH SOME WOLLLLLLLLLVESSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

\○/

 

\M/ \M/ \M/

 

Im trying really havent been feeling good the last little bit.

 

Im gonna try my best.

[Zander?]

 

@Dice - Who you calling slow? :p

If it's not already clearly ITT, or if you're feeling generous, can you explain:

 

- your vote on Zander

- your current read on Random

- any other reads you have

 

 

 

hes off cass. his tone isnt right. he isnt approaching it in normal town zander you can see it in 3 posts way. the faact that he didnt jump out of his skin when i voted him is setting off alarm bells. especially as he jumped straight at random for voting him.

 

random   hasnt done anything scummy really yet. thats all. nyn had him  and zander as light town

 

she also was leaning town on sock tho  i wasnt so sold on sock but that ones a watch and see spot.

 

i thought monstr was pretty towny

 

 

If youre Town this is another of your stupid reasons for Scum reading someone like Random last game where you Scum read him all game because you believed in 2 mins he was notified of me being IC in his QT by someone who would have had to be around, check and see the message in the QT and then make the retraction post in 2 mins.

 

Dude its you voting me for voting you.  Its null.

 

And the fact youre pushing it is bad.  If youre Town yore gonna break your streak I promise you.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

What has Sooh done to make you feel good about her thus far?

Floated through the thread on a feather being happy to be here and saying whatever comes to her mind.

 

Scum!Sooh is cautious and it's tonally obvious.

 

If she's a wolf who just had a great early game it will come out when she has to start making more reads, but she's probably a villager.

 

 

What about Eldrick like separately?

 

But Im not sold on her by any means

 

I dont think Sooh;s done anything Scummy but

 

I can see this brainwave from townZander. I wouldn't expect him to have a solid read on me at all at this point in the game, and tbh (sorry Eldrick <3) I can see why he would think Eldrick is scummy so far as well. 

 

 

lolololol

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Random bugged me in small doses but I don't really have a head for him yet.  More things to work on.

 

I remember a point Marsh brought up last game about Random being overactive as Scum.

 

If that game he was super active and Town, I know its early but I felt last game his posts had more umph and substance to them then they have so far.

 

Last game started on a weekend, and we had a LOT of fluff before we got into real gameplay IMO. But fair is fair, I'll do a quick dig-in now that I'm all settled:

 Darthe: He's matching his last game fairly consistently so far, in which he was town, so for the moment I've got a slight town lean at the moment. I prefer to go off current game content more, but with what he's posted so far, this is all I have to go on (he does notice interesting things players say however, which can be insightful)

Calder: Tough to call. I'm trying to ignore what little meta I have on Calder, because he completely fooled me last game as SK (i thought him town) However, ignoring that still gives me a town read based on current game's play, but not a strong inclination just yet. Zander: Last game as IC he was twice as belligerent as he's been so far with his scumhunting. There's not a whole lot of activity in comparison, but he's not flouting himself as the town champion he was early last game. I don't feel great about this so far. Slight scum leanMarsh: IC. duh. (could use some input from him however)Dice: It's surprising that my posts this game haven't drawn the scrutiny from Dice I faced last time, which could be a bad sign for him, or could mean my play's been a bit more solid this game. I've got a slight town vibe from him for the moment

Notbob: He's been enigmatic for me. Asked some odd questions (Asking hypothetically about a Zander Vig shot?) but I haven't been feeling one way or the other quite yet. 

Sock: Sooh hasn't really posted much substance in my opinion either way. Eldrick is doing a good job seeming like he's looking for scum, but I felt a bit weird about how he was so quick to vote manbat after our interaction, and seemed to agree with everything I said. This could be paranoia - I'm not used to being agreed with frequently in mafia. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt for the moment, but that just equals a null read

Pral: BlankShad: I like Shad's play so far. I'm following his logic, he's posting concise yet thoughtful content. If he's a wolf, this is some spectacular play so far, but it is still early. Probably my biggest town lean so far

Amega: Again, not much at allCass: I don't know enough about manbat to setup any reads for Cass, but prior to the switch i'd have leaned scum on this player. We'll see if more activity changes anything. Random: All - American Hero

Looks like you read the thread already. So, a few things.

I see youre using meta from last.game on me but ignoring it on calder, and thats confusing.

Your dice read has good reasoning but.. Wait what? Lol no it doesnt.

How the eff do you get a read on sooh but not amega if sooh just showed up? She is like a cat gif and a squee into this game and she is orange.

[V] random [/v]

  

 

 

 

Sooh didn't just show up Darthe, but what she has posted was mostly during the pre-play phase. I'm not ignoring meta on Calder, I'm saying that he fooled me last game, so I'm leaning null to slight town. 

 

My Dice logic is based on him still playing like I saw before, but it was surprising that his venom wasn't pointed at me. As I said, the tricky thing with meta is that I don't know if the difference is his own play or mine, but his actual actions seem to favor town so far.

K, I still dont follow how you got where you are

 

Well, I already laid out what reasoning I had in the reads list, but if you desire quotes and such, I can do that now. Are you still mostly referring to the Dice bit, or the Calder / Sooh thing as well?

All of the above, but it can sit til the morning once you post it.

 

 

@Darthe - Looking into Dice logic, but the read on Sooh is null and the lean/orange on my slot is explained solely in context wrt monstr which makes enough sense for now?

 

@Random - Why are you surprised Dice's venom isn't directed at you here? Have you specifically tested his reaction for that?

 

Also, you don't actually explain there why you read him Town. Ie there is no discernable reasoning til that point.

 

To answer Darthe, here's my current-game reasons for leaning town on Dice:

 

 

oh no i didnt screw up  thought id quoted monstr too

 

@monstr  dont get lost in ATE bro  stay with us.

 

 

re monstrs core  he asked people he has meta with is how i looked at it and whose responses he was happy with. It is a common thing to ask opinions of people you are trusting or who are on the same wavelength as you.

 

He gave a clear, concise defense of someone I was beginning to FOS. He didn't jump onto a train, he provided information I had asked for and needed to make a decision, and that just feels town at this point in the game. HIs comment and subsequent dealings with Zander:

 

 

@monstr   Nyce is Town. Simple.

 

Notice tho that I voted Zander and he hasnt said a WORD about it despite replying to things posted after it.

 

Combined with Zander's OMGUS vote on me after my first reads list makes me wonder if my town lean on Dice following this exchange didn't ruffle his feathers. Feeling a bit more confident on my Zander read too. 

 

For Sooh, most of her posts were before and at page 21, and looked like this:

 

 

 

@Sooh

& mustard has no calories. It sells itself. Delicious and great for the waistline. It cant be.

mmmm more mustard for me plz

 

I can't base a read off that, so I went on what I had with the other head of the hydra. 

 

For Calder, his activity ceases around the same time. Most of it is regarding sandwiches and whatnot, but that's how he started last game as well. his few game related posts didn't give me huge vibes either way, but it's an early D1 read. 

 

What troubles me is both Zander AND Darthe's snap votes on me. Sure Darthe asked questions, and him claiming he won't read is both false and perfectly in line with his play, but Zander literally said he just did it as OMGUS, which seems a bad reason when responding to an entire reads list. Zander also doesn't seem the type to just vote when town and scum hunting, he's well-spoken enough to create a case or at least an FOS

 

Vote Zander

I don't hate the logic in bold wrt Dice but I disagree/think Dice's actual response is null in isolation.

 

Went back and skimmed a page either side of first Dice quote. Not a fan of Random or Eldrick's push/votes on Monstr.

 

I have my bias but Random's tone is off and Eldrick's quick vote in the context of his unvote off me where he says he had Monstr null seems inconsistent. Probably unlikely to be wolf-wolf that close together.

 

Zander can create cases/FoS as either alignment and is probably more vocal about actual 'cases' as scum imo.

 

@Random

- Do you have a different experience with Town/Scum Zander?

 

- Why do you jump into your defence of Sooh read (which is null) without processing that Darthe mixed up Sooh and I (specific with reference to Cat gifs and the colour orange)?

 

I don't know if this is a nitpicky word choice thing, but do you think that Random's choice to defend his read on me is an overreaction? The phrase "jump into your defense" seems very strong for what he did which in my opinion was more an explanation of a read. 

 

 

Is anyone else noticing the random/sock/nyce triangle of town reads on each other since I called out Eldrick's connections post?!??!?!!?

[Zander?]

 

To answer Darthe, here's my current-game reasons for leaning town on Dice:

 

 

oh no i didnt screw up  thought id quoted monstr too

 

@monstr  dont get lost in ATE bro  stay with us.

 

 

re monstrs core  he asked people he has meta with is how i looked at it and whose responses he was happy with. It is a common thing to ask opinions of people you are trusting or who are on the same wavelength as you.

 

He gave a clear, concise defense of someone I was beginning to FOS. He didn't jump onto a train, he provided information I had asked for and needed to make a decision, and that just feels town at this point in the game. HIs comment and subsequent dealings with Zander:

 

 

@monstr   Nyce is Town. Simple.

 

Notice tho that I voted Zander and he hasnt said a WORD about it despite replying to things posted after it.

 

Combined with Zander's OMGUS vote on me after my first reads list makes me wonder if my town lean on Dice following this exchange didn't ruffle his feathers. Feeling a bit more confident on my Zander read too. 

 

For Sooh, most of her posts were before and at page 21, and looked like this:

 

 

 

@Sooh

 

& mustard has no calories. It sells itself. Delicious and great for the waistline. It cant be.

mmmm more mustard for me plz

 

 

I can't base a read off that, so I went on what I had with the other head of the hydra. 

 

For Calder, his activity ceases around the same time. Most of it is regarding sandwiches and whatnot, but that's how he started last game as well. his few game related posts didn't give me huge vibes either way, but it's an early D1 read. 

 

What troubles me is both Zander AND Darthe's snap votes on me. Sure Darthe asked questions, and him claiming he won't read is both false and perfectly in line with his play, but Zander literally said he just did it as OMGUS, which seems a bad reason when responding to an entire reads list. Zander also doesn't seem the type to just vote when town and scum hunting, he's well-spoken enough to create a case or at least an FOS

 

Vote Zander

 

Good vote.

 

CFD on Zander anyone?

 

 

[Zander?]

 

 

I'm on page 28 and I hate you all! Why so many posts omg!

 

Also I don't understand the animosity in the thread at that point. Seriously. 

 

Yeah, Mod removed Nyn and manbat after a while of that. Just power through, it gets better.

 

 

Also, someone proposed Cop, doc, vig

 

Cop Zander

Doc Marsh

Vig Notbob

 

I'll bite:

 

Cop: Sock

Doc: Marsh

Vig: Cass

 

 

Poor Cop choice here but you make up for it with the vig shot.

 

Who is Marsh and why should the Doc protect her?

 

 

Marsh is Ironeyes the IC.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

Calder, besides Eldrick and myself, what are your strongest reads atm? Town or scum.

I am about to make breakfast and get ready for work. I will answer your question in about 2 hours or so. Just dont have the time this second to give you anything detailed.

 

Kk, I'd like to get the time to talk to you at some point before the end of the phase, and I think that's a good place to start to see if we can get some sort of mutual understanding going, or see if we can understand what the other person is seeing.

 

 

I like Sooh...her narrative is very calm and thought provoking.  Unfortunately, she's more interested in promoting that she and her hydra are town rather than just hunting for scum.

 

 

Either Im really wrong or Notbob is likely Town imo.

[Zander?]

 

 

 

 

As if to prove my point, Zander votes me without reason

 

OMGUS is not a valid reason?!?!?!?!

 

You pick and choose where to use Meta in your reads list where it seems to fit.

 

Your need to fire out a reads list when I mention substance issue reads defensive to me.

 

Your focus also seems more constricted this game and not broad based.

 

 

Yes, I decided to create a reads list when it was pointed out I hadn't provided much substance. If that's not at least equal in validity to an OMGUS vote, then I don't know what is. Oh, except that I provided reasons with mine. 

 

My focus has been as broad as I can make it so far. As for meta - Yes, i finally have some to use, so I'm using it as sparingly as I can, while only having so much to go off from the current game so far. Based on the CURRENT game, I have found your play less in the service of town, and more in the service of OMGUS and being defensive. That - I get a bad vibe from. 

 

 

But youre picking and choosing where to use the Meta and thats weird.

 

Also you saying Im not playing the same way as I played IC is different then here.  Well its a PR where I cant be mislynched, so I could do w/e I want.  I play IC differently then normal Town.

 

And as far as OMGUS, ask others if that something alignment indicative of me either way.

 

 

Dude, you're scummy as all get out this game.  Pick up the pace or...

 

 

How so?

[Eldrick4221]

 

That would be what dice was referring to.

 

He has a problem with people not reading him as town.

 

I explained why dice voting him wasn't an issue.

 

I haven't been town reading him. He has an issue with me.

 

You are scum reading him. Snap vote on you.

 

This is actually town!Zander play.

 

who was this at and what was it in response too? I need the context to fully understand it please

 

 

 

 

Welcome to the game Slowpoke maroon!

 

 

 

 

Random bugged me in small doses but I don't really have a head for him yet. More things to work on.

I remember a point Marsh brought up last game about Random being overactive as Scum.

 

If that game he was super active and Town, I know its early but I felt last game his posts had more umph and substance to them then they have so far.

Last game started on a weekend, and we had a LOT of fluff before we got into real gameplay IMO. But fair is fair, I'll do a quick dig-in now that I'm all settled:

 

Darthe: He's matching his last game fairly consistently so far, in which he was town, so for the moment I've got a slight town lean at the moment. I prefer to go off current game content more, but with what he's posted so far, this is all I have to go on (he does notice interesting things players say however, which can be insightful)

Calder: Tough to call. I'm trying to ignore what little meta I have on Calder, because he completely fooled me last game as SK (i thought him town) However, ignoring that still gives me a town read based on current game's play, but not a strong inclination just yet.

Zander: Last game as IC he was twice as belligerent as he's been so far with his scumhunting. There's not a whole lot of activity in comparison, but he's not flouting himself as the town champion he was early last game. I don't feel great about this so far. Slight scum lean

Marsh: IC. duh. (could use some input from him however)

Dice: It's surprising that my posts this game haven't drawn the scrutiny from Dice I faced last time, which could be a bad sign for him, or could mean my play's been a bit more solid this game. I've got a slight town vibe from him for the moment

Notbob: He's been enigmatic for me. Asked some odd questions (Asking hypothetically about a Zander Vig shot?) but I haven't been feeling one way or the other quite yet.

Sock: Sooh hasn't really posted much substance in my opinion either way. Eldrick is doing a good job seeming like he's looking for scum, but I felt a bit weird about how he was so quick to vote manbat after our interaction, and seemed to agree with everything I said. This could be paranoia - I'm not used to being agreed with frequently in mafia. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt for the moment, but that just equals a null read

Pral: Blank

Shad: I like Shad's play so far. I'm following his logic, he's posting concise yet thoughtful content. If he's a wolf, this is some spectacular play so far, but it is still early. Probably my biggest town lean so far

Amega: Again, not much at all

Cass: I don't know enough about manbat to setup any reads for Cass, but prior to the switch i'd have leaned scum on this player. We'll see if more activity changes anything.

Random: All - American Hero

[v] Random [/v]

 

 

It was to Random irt Zander snap voting random. It felt like a Town!Zander move. You mentioned earlier that that is what Town!Zander does, and I noticed him doing it here.

 

Random posted a reads list, including a scum read on Zander. Zander's response was to vote random. That's town!zander.

[Zander?]

Really wanna see more Shad

[Eldrick4221]

No quotes for this cos I gotta drive home but

 

@Eldrick - My issue with your call on Darthe is that I read it simply as him playing, I don't understand the leap to "he's deliberately avoiding work and going to take someone else's response as what's happened in the game".

 

Can you explain why you voted Monstr if you had him null and NotBob scummy?

 

Also, you and Darthe are both saying you're not going back to reread. You call him scummy for it, then say it would be scummy if it was anyone else, and then state it yourself a few posts later.

 

I get that I was wrong about Darthe, that this is normal for him. It rubbed me the wrong way and I took it as scummy without stopping to think about meta.

 

The difference between Darthe and me is I have read the thread once. He was saying he was gonna skip reading it.

 

 

As for manbat vs Notbob, the way manbat handled random's question felt very bad. I agreed with what random was pointing out and voted accordingly. Dice's explanation made sense as to why manbat did what he did, so I unvoted.

 

By the time I got to wanting to vote Notbob, I had realized that I should discuss with Sooh before placing a serious vote. Not used to this hydra thing.

[Eldrick4221]

 

 

I'm on page 28 and I hate you all! Why so many posts omg!

 

Also I don't understand the animosity in the thread at that point. Seriously.

Yeah, Mod removed Nyn and manbat after a while of that. Just power through, it gets better.

 

Also, someone proposed Cop, doc, vig

 

Cop Zander

Doc Marsh

Vig Notbob

I'll bite:

 

Cop: Sock

Doc: Marsh

Vig: Cass

Poor Cop choice here but you make up for it with the vig shot.

 

Who is Marsh and why should the Doc protect her?

Interesting.

 

You call me(us) scum, but don't like the idea of the cop checking that.

 

Afraid of us coming up town?

 

If we were scum like you say, Cop there would be a good move, right?

 

Marsh=Ironeyes=The IC