Hackers Mafia - Game Thread [Game Over]

[Eldrick4221]

"The next scum is likely in these two" doesn't say they both are. It says one of them likely is.

 

The second post includes both and amega because of poe.

 

The posts make sense to me.

[BFG]

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:04 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

I actually don't see the issue here. After 24 hours he adds amega to the list.

 

Reason he didn't originally? No content wasn't enough of a reason maybe.

 

Amega's lack of actual content was discussed at some point with Cass and myself. That could have played into the list change.

I'll look to see when Cass posted, but if Darthe was POE in the first one, so should Amega

[Eldrick4221]

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:02 PM, Sooh said:

While I'm catching up. Could final two scums be BFG/Pral? Discuss.

Dunno. Maybe.

 

Feeling more likely that it's bfg from her discussion about these posts though.

[Sooh]

  On 12/5/2016 at 6:58 PM, BFG said:

First

 

  On 12/1/2016 at 9:36 PM, Pralaya said:

 

  On 12/1/2016 at 9:26 PM, randomh3r0 said:

I'm in shock because until the results I hadn't felt they would flip that way. And with the talk of a strongman I didn't first assume BG could've protected me.

 

So that's where I'm at. And reading back.

I don't know. It looked like shad was scum and Calder was town, especially after his stance on NotBob end of day yesterday.

 

Personally, I would next look at Darthe and Zander because the next scum is likely in these two.

 

 

 

 

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:00 PM, BFG said:

Second

 

  On 12/2/2016 at 9:55 AM, Pralaya said:

 

  On 12/2/2016 at 8:58 AM, Zander said:

Im not the only one who thinks theres Wolves in there so thoughts on that?!?!?

 

So it seems like you think im a wolf, can you lay out the case on me please?

 

Also would be my partner in that case?

 

And assume for a moment Im confirmed Town somehow, who are the Wolves then iyo and why?

 

You have basically said scum is in sock/cass/dice and has also said I may have bused Shad. Who is remaining?

 

You do realise that except Darthe and Amega and the other known town, you are calling everyone a scum suspect, right? And, I am casing you and showing where I am thinking you are scum. 

 

If you ask me, neither of those 3 are likely to be scum. My thoughts say Zander > Amega > Darthe as the likely scum remaining. I confess though, I haven't read Darthe in detail - this is just from POE based on my town reads

 

 

Wait wait wait.

 

Are you trying to say this is contradictory?

 

Did you misread or do you actually mean it?

[Sooh]

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:11 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:02 PM, Sooh said:

While I'm catching up. Could final two scums be BFG/Pral? Discuss.

Dunno. Maybe.

 

Feeling more likely that it's bfg from her discussion about these posts though.

 

*spidey senses make me remember the game when I was scum with Pral and it reminds me a lot of this*

[Eldrick4221]

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:10 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:04 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

I actually don't see the issue here. After 24 hours he adds amega to the list.

 

Reason he didn't originally? No content wasn't enough of a reason maybe.

 

Amega's lack of actual content was discussed at some point with Cass and myself. That could have played into the list change.

I'll look to see when Cass posted, but if Darthe was POE in the first one, so should Amega

Darthe spent a large part of his early game being not helpful. His being in poe makes sense as others were townies than he was.

 

Amega was a nonentity for most of the game and easy to forget.

[Sooh]

BFG plus one of Pral/Dice c o u l d make sense perhaps?

 

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[BFG]

Look at Pral's Darthe read through the game. He's always shifting Darthe just out of his POE, I'm trying to get Pral to explain his reads enough to see if that's on purpose or not

 

Hence asking about you in his latest reads post etc

[BFG]

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:14 PM, Sooh said:

BFG plus one of Pral/Dice c o u l d make sense perhaps?

 

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No

[Eldrick4221]

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:14 PM, Sooh said:

BFG plus one of Pral/Dice c o u l d make sense perhaps?

 

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Thats where I'm at

[Sooh]

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:15 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:14 PM, Sooh said:

BFG plus one of Pral/Dice c o u l d make sense perhaps?

 

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No

 

So, despite this really discouraging me from my theory and all (not really, but we'll pretend), who's the second scum after Pral?

[BFG]

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:13 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:10 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:04 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

I actually don't see the issue here. After 24 hours he adds amega to the list.

 

Reason he didn't originally? No content wasn't enough of a reason maybe.

 

Amega's lack of actual content was discussed at some point with Cass and myself. That could have played into the list change.

I'll look to see when Cass posted, but if Darthe was POE in the first one, so should Amega

 

Darthe spent a large part of his early game being not helpful. His being in poe makes sense as others were townies than he was.

 

Amega was a nonentity for most of the game and easy to forget.

 

Which would make sense, but ISN'T what Pral is saying (unless I'm being really dense )

[BFG]

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:17 PM, Sooh said:

 

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:15 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:14 PM, Sooh said:

BFG plus one of Pral/Dice c o u l d make sense perhaps?

 

graspingatstraws.gif

No

 

So, despite this really discouraging me from my theory and all (not really, but we'll pretend), who's the second scum after Pral?

 

Darthe most likely

[Eldrick4221]

Bfg/dice doesn't make sense for the vc though. Why would scum!dice care if he was on town!Pral or town!cass?

[Sooh]

  On 12/5/2016 at 1:29 AM, dicetosser1 said:

 

  On 12/4/2016 at 11:31 PM, Zander said:

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

  On 12/4/2016 at 9:20 PM, dicetosser1 said:

 

  On 12/4/2016 at 7:20 PM, BFG said:

<3 Dice (I think you're the only player that fears me when scum though )

 

What's your read on me?

 

i like the questions ure asking. sounds like town solvey bfg to me. youre isoing away. tho you arnt coming up with firm thoughts out of them. wish you were here more.  town lean is about as far as i will go atm

 

  On 12/4/2016 at 7:26 PM, BFG said:

Dice can you talk about Pral?

 

Has barely been here. i dont really remember a lot of what he has said and i cant get rid of the feeling that i should be voting him but as he didnt say what i thought he did i have no reason for it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

ok this is from CASS but i messed it up

 

 

  On 12/4/2016 at 11:53 AM, Sooh said:

 

  On 12/4/2016 at 4:07 AM, dicetosser1 said:

because they are good fairly non committal ways to give someone a town lean. easy to flip on if their town easy to make if their ure scum buddy without being tied to it in bands of steel

 

I was going to respond to Cass' post, but I think Dice nails it here.

 

 

I agree with the start but don't understand how the bold works. @Both of you, how is a 'definitely Town' type read easy to flip on?

 

@Dice, how many times did I use this exact play as scum with Town!you? "Dice is definitely Town!Dice!" You also know that it's a thing.

 

 

I DO know its a thing but you and I are not Shad. Hes trickier then we are. As for how to get away from it??  a post like "i liked when cass was doing this and this  but now shes doing  x  which i dont like and is making me reevaluate

 

flip done

 

 

Dice who you gonna vote for today and why?

 

Its the weekend and your activity level still hasnt really perked up any.

 

Why is this?

 

 

 

 

you realise i asked for a hydra for a reason right? Im in 2 games on 2 sites and its the busy end of year at work so im getting slammed and im still a bit crook. thats why i wanted a hydra cause i wasnt sure id be able to be active enuff..

 

im gonna follow my gut. Vote Pral  dont ask me for good reasons for it because i honestly dont have any its just my gut screaming.

 

i MIGHt be able to be here a tiny bit before DL but lunch is over so i dont know for sure. depends on the calls.

 

Does Dice ever bus??

[Eldrick4221]

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:17 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:13 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:10 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:04 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

I actually don't see the issue here. After 24 hours he adds amega to the list.

 

Reason he didn't originally? No content wasn't enough of a reason maybe.

 

Amega's lack of actual content was discussed at some point with Cass and myself. That could have played into the list change.

I'll look to see when Cass posted, but if Darthe was POE in the first one, so should Amega

Darthe spent a large part of his early game being not helpful. His being in poe makes sense as others were townies than he was.

 

Amega was a nonentity for most of the game and easy to forget.

Which would make sense, but ISN'T what Pral is saying (unless I'm being really dense )

Pral not listing amega because he didn't remember him.

 

Pral listing Darthe because he was around but not towny

[Sooh]

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:17 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:17 PM, Sooh said:

 

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:15 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:14 PM, Sooh said:

BFG plus one of Pral/Dice c o u l d make sense perhaps?

 

graspingatstraws.gif

No

 

So, despite this really discouraging me from my theory and all (not really, but we'll pretend), who's the second scum after Pral?

 

Darthe most likely

 

Because of Pral's POE?

 

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:18 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

Bfg/dice doesn't make sense for the vc though. Why would scum!dice care if he was on town!Pral or town!cass?

Spread the vote, increase chances of survival.

[Eldrick4221]

This game is making my head hurt.

 

Pral be vig like you soft claimed and take someone out.

[Sooh]

  On 12/5/2016 at 1:30 AM, dicetosser1 said:

 

  On 12/5/2016 at 1:25 AM, Darthe said:

 

  On 12/4/2016 at 11:25 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

I see a world where Darthe votes us and scum piles on and it's a repeat of last game.

This may well be a slip folks.

 

 

how so?

 

Eldrick told me about Darthe's reaction to his post earlier. With Darthe's slip reaction, this Dice reaction might just as well be a slip.

[Eldrick4221]

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:21 PM, Sooh said:

 

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:18 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

Bfg/dice doesn't make sense for the vc though. Why would scum!dice care if he was on town!Pral or town!cass?

Spread the vote, increase chances of survival.

Huh?

 

How is scum!dice moving from town!Pral to town!cass "spreading the vote"?

[Sooh]

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:21 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

This game is making my head hurt.

 

Pral be vig like you soft claimed and take someone out.

That would be nice! Uneven numbers again.

[Sooh]

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:23 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

 

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:21 PM, Sooh said:

 

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:18 PM, Eldrick4221 said:

Bfg/dice doesn't make sense for the vc though. Why would scum!dice care if he was on town!Pral or town!cass?

Spread the vote, increase chances of survival.

Huh?

 

How is scum!dice moving from town!Pral to town!cass "spreading the vote"?

 

oh, he did? Right! you told me.

 

I haven't gotten that far in my catching up. Never mind me

[Sooh]

  On 12/5/2016 at 1:55 AM, Zander said:

 

  On 12/5/2016 at 12:25 AM, Pralaya said:

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

  On 12/4/2016 at 7:53 PM, BFG said:

Pral ISO

 

 

  Reveal hidden contents

 

Struggling with the pace of the game early on is null in a game this size

 

Manbat, Nyn, Zander townie early. Eldrick twtbaw. NB, Darthe, Dice null/normal for D1. Shad is odd "just looks like drifting through the game. His posts seem too passive and he is commenting on general stuff..." - nothing stands out as stuff he wouldn't say, Shad read looks good

 

Says he'll case Shad if [Prals] alive once caught up

 

(start Day 2) Thinks Calder looked town following stance on NB EoD1, thinks Shad looked scummy. Wants to look at Darthe/Zander

 

  On 12/2/2016 at 5:22 AM, Pralaya said:

 

  On 11/30/2016 at 7:16 PM, Zander said:

If youre Town were gonna have a talk post game about what bad Town is.

 

Youve got what like 2 votes on you like 8 hours before DL!?!?!?!?

 

No I dont believe that Town!Anyone really does this but to further my suss please notice the BOLD:

 

Why would you ever assume youd be alive D2?!?!?!!?

This outburst was what made me suspect Zander in the first place. yeah, random claiming early in D1 was not a good play. It could have been entirely avoided. But, the kind of outburst coming from you looks fake. Look at the reaction from Calder, sooh - it was more of surprise than anger. Anger is something that can easily be faked by scum to show that they are townie and I felt that was what was happening here

If you had him as town previously why would you read this and assume that it's faked to look town instead of just town?

 

 

 

  On 12/2/2016 at 5:28 AM, Pralaya said:

In fact, you harping on the entire "Pral likes to bus" narrative just confirms my read that you are scum. The town Zander I know would mention it but not make a whole case on that. You have been saying that right from D1 when I called out Shad as scum. And, this was around the point when random claimed and you were looking for an alternative. That was the scond reason why I started suspecting you.

 

(As an aside, Sooh would know - I do tend to bus as scum but I am more careful as scum when people who know that are around. Like in the PoTC game, I was not busing until Zander was dead. I even explicitly told it to Sooh who was my scummate there)

And this reads a lot like what you're saying above, start with an assumption and then fit the facts, yet Zander makes connections as standard, why is this scummy of him now when you didn't have an issue with his Sock/Random/Nyce read?

 

Accuses Zander of having half the thread as suspects, yet today seemingly has half the thread as suspects (assuming Cass is a suspect, since you haven't answered otherwise)

 

Zander nudges

 

Thinks Zander > Amega > Darthe - why Amega? Darthe just POE, yet earlier was one of his two most likely suspects, find it odd that his read on Zander went from town to mafia, when Zander became more town with the game

 

Explains Cass read (to multiple people) doesn't think Cass would press the cop if mafia, doesn't think Manbat would react that way if mafia

 

 

Caught up long ago, but no updated list (till asked) - prodding Zander as suspect so not necessarily bothered by the delay

 

Most recent list seems to have Darthe/Sooh as town, Cass or Zander, one of me/Zander/Dice? Still not sure who his suspected team is other than me

 

Talks about trains - null

 

 

 

Why was Darthe one of your two suspects with Zander when later on you say you don't remember much from him and he's just there because POE. Why was Amega scummy and not just POE, why missing from your previous list?

 

 

TLDR I don't follow his read on Zander, I don't understand his changing read on Darthe, or his read on Amega. As hydra I could follow him pretty easily last game, and am a little concerned this isn't the case now. Don't think this is just OMGUS

 

Pral

 

 

As I clearly said in that post, Darthe was due to poor PIE and I had yet to read him in detail. Later, after I ISO'd him, I got him as town.

 

Amega was in the list because he had no posts at all. Seriously?

 

 

PIE????

 

Not really a clue or anything. Just made me lol.

[BFG]

  On 12/5/2016 at 6:24 PM, Pralaya said:

 

  On 12/5/2016 at 6:21 PM, BFG said:

I'm trying to understand your mind set

 

So did you just forget Amega in the first list that had Zander/Darthe?

 

At the start of the game you had Zander as town, then changed your mind when he 'faked anger to look townie' (paraphrased). Why was your first assumption that he was faking anger when you'd previously read him as town?

 

No, I just didn't state the obvious regarding Amega.

 

The starting read was just based on 40 pages or something. As the game went on, there were other things like the notbob lynch, his reaction to random reveal etc.

 

Then why wouldn't he say so

@Eldrick

 

The reason this makes no sense to me, is because of Pral response, if he'd said that he'd forgotten in the first list then I'd have dropped it

[BFG]

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:21 PM, Sooh said:

 

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:17 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:17 PM, Sooh said:

 

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:15 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 12/5/2016 at 7:14 PM, Sooh said:

BFG plus one of Pral/Dice c o u l d make sense perhaps?

 

graspingatstraws.gif

No

 

So, despite this really discouraging me from my theory and all (not really, but we'll pretend), who's the second scum after Pral?

 

Darthe most likely

 

Because of Pral's POE?

 

Because you/Zander are extremely likely to be town, because I think Dice is town, although I wish I had more confidence in the read as then I could stop questioning myself

 

Because I see nothing from Pral that rules out a Pral/Darthe team and because I don't remember anything from Darthe that rules them out either