[Basic] I <3 the 90's Mafia: Music Edition - TOWN WINS!

[Sili Quirrels]

i threw lenlo in a hole when he refused to communicate like a villager incidentally. it didn't come out of nowhere.

[wish-tree]

Why isn't this normal for Lenlo? I only remember trying to lynch Lenlo when I was scum, so I don't really have a good unbiased perspective of his town play.

[Sili Quirrels]

also my flips are 120s not 180s. who 180s i dont even.

[Lenlo]

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:05 PM, Darthe said:

Congrats, youve proven that sili is a pain in the rear when he wants to be.

 

You're making a good show of it too and managing to muddle reads on both of you in the process. The big difference is that this is normal of him and isnt normal of you.

I dont see why not. Ive been frustrated before with someone elses attitude before.

[wish-tree]

Hallia, do you have any firey reads? Where's the fire?

[Lenlo]

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:06 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 4:59 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 4:57 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

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My god, you and Sili are wolves together arnt you? Your both playing the same dishonest angles!

 

Lenlo when someone smells like a wolf what do you do? Give them a wash, or throw them in a fire?

 

Try to figure them out so I can find the rest of their team rather then giving them the finger and throwing them in a hole before doing a complete 180, voting someone else, then once someone else supports your old read do ANOTHER 180 and come right back around?

 

well as long as you focus on superficial elements i think you're wolfy.

 

So your actions and how you use your vote/your reads on people are superficial?

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:07 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

i threw lenlo in a hole when he refused to communicate like a villager incidentally. it didn't come out of nowhere.

No you threw me in a hole when I asked you for your other reads, because I wanted to move the conversation to a place we could actually talk about. So you threw me in a hole when you decided you wanted to stop talking

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:08 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

also my flips are 120s not 180s. who 180s i dont even.

Circles

[Sili Quirrels]

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:02 PM, Lenlo said:

[v]Sili[/v]

 

Screw it, you or Seph today for me. Your both sketch af, and honestly even if you are town I couldnt care at this point. Your not constructive. 

sounds like you're more annoyed about the fact i suspect you than it is you think that i'm a wolf tbh.

[Sili Quirrels]

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:10 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:06 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 4:59 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 4:57 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

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My god, you and Sili are wolves together arnt you? Your both playing the same dishonest angles!

 

Lenlo when someone smells like a wolf what do you do? Give them a wash, or throw them in a fire?

 

Try to figure them out so I can find the rest of their team rather then giving them the finger and throwing them in a hole before doing a complete 180, voting someone else, then once someone else supports your old read do ANOTHER 180 and come right back around?

 

well as long as you focus on superficial elements i think you're wolfy.

 

So your actions and how you use your vote/your reads on people are superficial?

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:07 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

i threw lenlo in a hole when he refused to communicate like a villager incidentally. it didn't come out of nowhere.

No you threw me in a hole when I asked you for your other reads, because I wanted to move the conversation to a place we could actually talk about. So you threw me in a hole when you decided you wanted to stop talking

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:08 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

also my flips are 120s not 180s. who 180s i dont even.

Circles

 

youre not responding to my reasons for suspecting you afaict.

 

or when you are it comes down to - i didn't mean it like this 'wtf u on about now, stop twisting what i'm saying'.

 

actually threw you in a hole when i thought you were asking about reads that were your reads. and my reads then didn't matter anyway, so even still i dont feel bad about misreading.

[Lenlo]

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:10 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:02 PM, Lenlo said:

[v]Sili[/v]

 

Screw it, you or Seph today for me. Your both sketch af, and honestly even if you are town I couldnt care at this point. Your not constructive. 

sounds like you're more annoyed about the fact i suspect you than it is you think that i'm a wolf tbh.

 

Few of your actions this game have been towny. I tried to be patient with you because I know your by default a difficult SOB to even talk with. At this point though, I find it difficult to believe any towny would willingly shut out their wolf read when they had the chance to get thoughts and try to find the rest of that persons team. If you actually thought I was a wolf I dont see why you wouldnt push for more info to find more teammembers and solve the game. Its like you dont care about solving the game. Your going to get me lynched and when I flip town say "Oh Lenlo was just a scummy slimy dude. Its all his fault. Oops!"

[Lenlo]

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:12 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:10 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:06 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 4:59 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 4:57 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

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My god, you and Sili are wolves together arnt you? Your both playing the same dishonest angles!

 

Lenlo when someone smells like a wolf what do you do? Give them a wash, or throw them in a fire?

 

Try to figure them out so I can find the rest of their team rather then giving them the finger and throwing them in a hole before doing a complete 180, voting someone else, then once someone else supports your old read do ANOTHER 180 and come right back around?

 

well as long as you focus on superficial elements i think you're wolfy.

 

So your actions and how you use your vote/your reads on people are superficial?

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:07 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

i threw lenlo in a hole when he refused to communicate like a villager incidentally. it didn't come out of nowhere.

No you threw me in a hole when I asked you for your other reads, because I wanted to move the conversation to a place we could actually talk about. So you threw me in a hole when you decided you wanted to stop talking

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:08 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

also my flips are 120s not 180s. who 180s i dont even.

Circles

 

youre not responding to my reasons for suspecting you afaict.

 

or when you are it comes down to - i didn't mean it like this 'wtf u on about now, stop twisting what i'm saying'.

 

actually threw you in a hole when i thought you were asking about reads that were your reads. and my reads then didn't matter anyway, so even still i dont feel bad about misreading.

 

So a misunderstanding that you then refused to go back on? That last line makes no sense dude. We could also argue about the first 2 lines till the end of time. Nothing I say will change your mind, I realized that 20 pages ago.

[Sili Quirrels]

i didn't shut you out lenlo. i mean that much is obvious. there just wasn't a lot to talk about because of the nature of my read and the fact that your response was 'i didn't do this' when you did.

 

i went back to and appologized for misreading what you were saying about asking for my reads, i just didn't want to bother with giving you a list. bothered with hallia though cause she asked nicely.

[Sili Quirrels]

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:13 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:10 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:02 PM, Lenlo said:

[v]Sili[/v]

 

Screw it, you or Seph today for me. Your both sketch af, and honestly even if you are town I couldnt care at this point. Your not constructive. 

sounds like you're more annoyed about the fact i suspect you than it is you think that i'm a wolf tbh.

 

Few of your actions this game have been towny. I tried to be patient with you because I know your by default a difficult SOB to even talk with. At this point though, I find it difficult to believe any towny would willingly shut out their wolf read when they had the chance to get thoughts and try to find the rest of that persons team. If you actually thought I was a wolf I dont see why you wouldnt push for more info to find more teammembers and solve the game. Its like you dont care about solving the game. Your going to get me lynched and when I flip town say "Oh Lenlo was just a scummy slimy dude. Its all his fault. Oops!"

 

uhm. if you're town. and town get's you lynched, then i'm gonna be a little confused. but it's happened before. it'll happen again. so what?

[keyholder21]

Official Vote Count:
 
Zander (1) - Niniel, 
Niniel (2) - Hallia, Zander,
Lenlo (3) - Clov, alannalynn, Sili

Sili (1) - Lenlo
 
Not Voting (9) - Darthe, Thane, BFG, Katiora, Lily, Wistork, alannalynn, Lizabeth, Seph


DEADLINE: Wednesday, June 8, 4:30pm CST
 

[Sili Quirrels]

there are three votes on you len. not a big deal imo.

[keyholder21]

Wish and Stork will now be called: Wistork.  

[Lenlo]

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:19 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

i didn't shut you out lenlo. i mean that much is obvious. there just wasn't a lot to talk about because of the nature of my read and the fact that your response was 'i didn't do this' when you did.

 

i went back to and appologized for misreading what you were saying about asking for my reads, i just didn't want to bother with giving you a list. bothered with hallia though cause she asked nicely.

I find it really difficult to believe or care when your this condescending. 

 

I didnt ask for a reads list. I just asked who some other wolf reads of yours were so we could talk about them. 

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:20 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:13 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:10 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:02 PM, Lenlo said:

[v]Sili[/v]

 

Screw it, you or Seph today for me. Your both sketch af, and honestly even if you are town I couldnt care at this point. Your not constructive. 

sounds like you're more annoyed about the fact i suspect you than it is you think that i'm a wolf tbh.

 

Few of your actions this game have been towny. I tried to be patient with you because I know your by default a difficult SOB to even talk with. At this point though, I find it difficult to believe any towny would willingly shut out their wolf read when they had the chance to get thoughts and try to find the rest of that persons team. If you actually thought I was a wolf I dont see why you wouldnt push for more info to find more teammembers and solve the game. Its like you dont care about solving the game. Your going to get me lynched and when I flip town say "Oh Lenlo was just a scummy slimy dude. Its all his fault. Oops!"

 

uhm. if you're town. and town get's you lynched, then i'm gonna be a little confused. but it's happened before. it'll happen again. so what?

 

I dont think your town so that would be the point. Your going to play it off as my fault im crap, rather then your read.

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:22 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

there are three votes on you len. not a big deal imo.

Ok... I dont think I ever brought them up, but thanks?

 

Anyways im going to work. yay afternoon shift.

[seph]

  On 6/7/2016 at 4:49 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 2:42 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

Lenlo just bolds the parts he wants to twist imo. Did it to me too.

 

What the ever living crap is this. Thats not true at all.

 

  On 6/7/2016 at 2:39 PM, seph said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 5:54 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 5:52 PM, Zander said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 5:46 PM, Clovdyx said:

Zander -

 

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:20 PM, seph said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:16 PM, Lenlo said:

 

  On 6/6/2016 at 4:14 PM, Hallia said:

I think it's town on town

 

Where do you stand on Seph? I found him odd last game, lynched him and he flipped town. I find him odd this game to, but cant tell if its the same as last time or not. He doesnt seem as high energy as last game. As hyper, would be a better word I guess.

you try being hyper after getting smashed in a 60 player mash..... that game was fun but awful lol.

any particular reason you think each are town hally?I currently have sili as the scummiest in my notes while rereading, but I still think he is tow so I am not sure what to do with that lol....

 

That's exactly what I meant by missing the forest.  If that sentence had ended where you stopped the highlight, I'd be with you 100%.  But it didn't, and him saying Sili is town fits completely with him being "better than null". 

 

I don't know what Seph's notes look like, but I don't see any inherent contradiction when you look at the whole thing in context.

 

Dude I disagree the sentence itself is a complete contradiction.

 

He thinks the Scummiest player is Town so he's better then null?

 

Maybe if Sili's Meta was that he IS Scummy as Town then sure but I think we can all safely say that ISNT the case.

As I said, I think your problem put into words is this:

Seph says Sili is his wolfiest read - OK

Seph has Sili as better then Null - Again, this is OK. It works.

Seph votes Zander - NOT OK

 

Not ok because Zander is not his wolfiest read. If Zander is below "Better then Null" then that means Sili is not his wolfiest read. Ergo he lied OR changed his mind. So Z, find posts where Seph talks about you and show us how he was reading you during those quotes.

this whole post made me lol.

regardless of my notes I said sili was a town read, therefore I did not think he was the scummiest person. My post was simply displaying the struggle I was having with him.

I have literally not posted who I have disliked in this game, besides some comments on zander. so please stop trying to twist things.

Its in his god dang post. I was trying to get Zander to explain his problem in a way that was understandable, there was no twisting there. My god, you and Sili are wolves together arnt you? Your both playing the same dishonest angles!

Ok so above the bold you are correct. But I am referring to the bold in which you are making statements

[keyholder21]

Dance with me? 

 

 

https://youtu.be/3JcmQONgXJM

 

 

 

 

 

My video won't work.  

[seph]

Also len, why am I wolf to you now?

[wish-tree]

  On 6/7/2016 at 5:23 PM, keyholder21 said:

Wish and Stork will now be called: Wistork.  

oh lol great

 

thx

[Sili Quirrels]

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I dont think your town so that would be the point. Your going to play it off as my fault im crap, rather then your read.

 

 

i think my read is sound. might not be right but whatever. you go with the gut god gave you.

[wish-tree]

When I get back from turboing, please interact me and do not ignore me, thanks

[Katiora]

  On 6/7/2016 at 4:03 PM, Clovdyx said:

 

If I'm interpreting this correctly, you're saying that Seph's explanation makes sense but you don't necessarily believe it to be true.  Is that a fair assessment of your take on it?

 

If you think the larger arguments were moot points, what do you think people should be focusing on this game?  Because other than your big reads list (which, admittedly, wasn't HORRIBLE) every time you post, I feel every other post of yours is either an excuse for lack of activity/contribution or a lot of soft stances that you kind of play both sides on.

 

That's understandable for some people, but I feel like several players have said enough that you should have been able to offer up some opinion on them - even if it's changed.  ESPECIALLY if it's changed, even.

 

 

You interpreted my what I said about seph correctly yes. 

 

And I think sometimes, especially in Mafia you have to just agree to disagree, especially early in the game. Everyone picks up on different things, i mean... if you don't agree with someone about how they read someone else, for sure, come out and say "hey i don't agree, this is why" but holy crap pages of back and forth and back and forth and back and forth over something that neither one of you are going to agree on EVER while everyone else just sits back like...... yeah......... isn't helping us find out who's bad. I mean unless you piss them off bad enough for them to say "I'M GONNA KILL YOU WITH MY NIGHT KILL TONIGHT" and that's not going to happen, you're not going to find scum that way, but you will discourage other people from posting and furthering the game and you will make it where posts from other people are buried in your argument that no one is really getting a lot out of, or at least I'm not getting anything out of it. And this isn't just to you and Sili, it's to everyone. State your point, and if someone doesn't agree say. "oh well' and let your point stand. If you try beating it into everyone's head they are either going to fight against you or shut down. 

 

I saw this happen with Zander the first game I played with him. He found scum but he went at it so hard that no one believed him and after he died everyone blew his stuff off and Town almost lost because everyone was so annoyed with it lol... (not saying we were right but that's how it went) Sometimes you just gotta let stuff ride for a bit even if you KNOW you're right, because I can't see exactly what you see with the knowledge that you have and how you perceive it. 

 

Right now I haven't posted an updated Reads list because I'm still trying to sort through all the crap. Honestly every fight i've seen so far with the exception of maybe one, looks like town vs town. which i think makes the mafia just sit back and cackle... They're laughing it up while we screw ourselves over.. saw that happen in my last game. Honestly my reads list comes down to who do I trust, cause you have to trust SOMEONE else's opinion... or at least I do. So far I see a bunch of you saying Zander is suspicious but I don't see it. I see the normal zander i've seen every game that I've played with him.. and every game he's been Town... My problem is I've never seen him Scum and no matter how much he says "I'm not scum" I know that's what scum would say lol... But the rest of you I don't even know. Or I don't know well enough to trust how you play. TownZander I know is good at finding wolves. But do I trust him until he gives me reason not to or do i listen to the group of you that thinks he's suspicious?

 

Now if you want an updated list... 

 

 

From most town to most Scum

Townish

 

Clov - You really do look like you're trying to find scum. It's a towny thing to do. So far I really think you're town. 

 

Zander - I'm just not getting the not town read that ya'll are. I wish ya'll would explain exactly what he's doing that's scum cause i don't see it. And saying "it's like mario kart mafia" isn't going to cut it for me. I didn't play and I don't go read other games for fun... I have enough trouble keeping up with this game... 

 

Hallia - Just seems her normal feisty towny self. I don't get Laine's thing about her joke.. I think the joke was the nice way of trying to defuse the situation which, when it was ignored led to the "ya'll just need to quit" post. Seems like TownHallia to me. 

 

More town than Scum: 

Sili - I don't think a mafia player would draw as much attention to themselves as you have. And the game I played with you that you were mafia you didn't post at all... I really think if you weren't trying to find scum you would be less likely to rock the boat, so that leaves me to think you're more town. 

 

Dice - Seems townish. But I'm still not getting a lot of content from him, but it's not completely his thought. I would have liked some better reads from him, but all he really did was ask questions. I know a lot of this stems from him being on the wrong side of the world lol So i'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for the moment. 

 

BFG - for the moment in my townish group. Asking questions and trying to figure stuff out... seems town. Her argument with Zander really felt town vs town to me... 

 

AlannaLynn - Not sure about her. I mean.. she gave some decent reads but I didn't really get a feel for her out of it. So far she's more town than Scum mostly because a good amount of people i see in different corners read her as townish that's played with her, and I never have, and that leads me to believe that she's got a good chance at it. So i'll give her the benefit of the doubt for the time being as well. 

 

Pure Null 

LilyElizabeth - hasn't given a WHOLE lot of thoughts. Says she is having a hard time keeping up. I agree lol... Given a few reads.. One of which was I don't seem townie (I think this was her... it's hard to sort through and it's hard to remember lily elizabeth and the other lizabeth I'm getting them confused in my brain) which leads me to: 

 

Lizabeth - I'm really having a hard time reading hers and Lily's posts and associating them to the correct person. both to me are kinda null though. Neither have been extremely active that I've noticed. 

 

 

 

Null/scum (because they're kinda not here)

 

Darthe - can't think of anything of consequence he's posted. has he been on today at all? just nothing. Makes me think scum trying to hide out *shrugs* 

 

Thane - Same as ^ hasn't been here much at all but I do know he has a bit of an excuse maybe so It wouldn't be too hard for him to go up if he shows up and starts doing something. 

 

More scummish

 

Wish/Stork - So I don't love when someone says "got 5 pages of ISO bye" I mean.. really... and then posted the ISO the next day and I didn't get anything out of it... I mean... I don't get anything out of it lol... Does anyone?? please tell me if i'm wrong and not reading it right or what... I'll change my thoughts on my read of wish/stork if you do. I just don't see it. 

 

Seph - I'm keeping here. I'm just still not sure about. Put me in his town list... not sure why lol... No one else seems to think i'm town (which i'm coming to find as normal cause no one can read me apparently). I can understand his progression that Zander called him on... I just don't see it in the thread like he apparently does lol... I"m willing to give him a chance but I need more before I take him out of the scummier players. 

 

Lenlo - I don't know... I just haven't had a good feel for Lenlo all game.. Slightly defensive. though partially understandable. Just... I don't know.. I just get an off feel from him... Nothing that just makes me say "oh definitely scum" but I have a hard time finding stuff that makes you look town. sometimes it seems like you're just stirring the confusion. 

 

Nin - I find you the most scummy. You came in making accusations on Meta's that weren't there which kinda threw me off... I've tried not to take as much from that because everyone thinks it was an honest mistake, but it's hard because the bad meta was on me. lol I don't know. There's just something about you that it seems like you just came in and stirred the pot. Maybe that's your town game? It's hard to tell for me cause I haven't played with you that I can remember. It just makes me feel worst about you. 

 

/end another wordy post

[Sili Quirrels]

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I find it really difficult to believe or care when your this condescending. 

 

I didnt ask for a reads list. I just asked who some other wolf reads of yours were so we could talk about them. 

 

 

 You spend a lot of time explaining how I'm a bad person for ignoring your frivolous question. If I'm condescending so what? Giving you my reads does not help me understand you better. So it doesn't mean I was ignoring you.

 

In fact, evidenced by my 120, I was not ignoring you and I did not put you in a hole.

[Sili Quirrels]

I really don't like reading long posts unfortunately.