[Basic] I <3 the 90's Mafia: Music Edition - TOWN WINS!

[Guest]

  On 6/12/2016 at 4:50 PM, BFG said:

Ok Liz, would love your opinion on Chris when you have time as well :)

 

Have fun!

 

You want liz's opinion on clov? or mine?

 

Just making sure

[BFG]

Lenlo, who do you think is mafia?

[BFG]

  On 6/12/2016 at 5:01 PM, BlomBesie said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 4:50 PM, BFG said:

Ok Liz, would love your opinion on Chris when you have time as well :)

 

Have fun!

 

You want liz's opinion on clov? or mine?

 

Just making sure

 

Liz's, she's played more games with him recently than anyone.

 

But I would love your opinion to :)

[Guest]

Lol, that's sweet of you.

 

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 5:18 PM, BFG said:

Lenlo, who do you think is mafia?

 

I'd like to know too, please

[BFG]

Ok Besie, can you talk me through your reaction to Niniel's claim?

[Guest]

Yeah, gimme a mo. Almost done with Liz's iso

[Guest]

iso on Liz

For some reason my search function sometimes works in weird ways so I’ve added dates to it.

 

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Original feel: Around null

 

Game started 5 Jun. She only started posting on the 7th (keep in mind that this is on my time scale).

 

7 Jun (D1)

Post #835 is her first. She starts off sounding quite discouraged that she had 42 pages to catch up on. 

And even though she sounds disheartened, she still posts light posts like in #839.

And she jumps into the game immediately (#875), using the info already present in the game. This makes me think that she was in total rather annoyed at not having been there for the start of the game, but is trying to play as best she can now that she is there. Towny imo.

 

Right after saying that though… she says she gives up on catching up in #881... which no longer sounds so good. In the same post, however, she questions dice about his thoughts on zander – which makes me think that she was intending to be active in playing the game even though she was no longer catching up.

Another light hearted post #882 – not alignment indicative at this moment, I think.

#884 – says she was reading zander as town until his to and fro with lilyelzabeth (she quotes the to and fro). Bit odd, but she is just sharing thoughts at this point. Zander wondered about it too, and asked her about it, to which she replied in #888 – a bit harsh, maybe. She posts a “her” instead of “him” which probably means nothing. Also says she’s going by meta.

Fluff #885, #890, #891; light hearted #887

#894 – asks info about the pages she missed but doesn’t really say anything

#896, #897 - good reasoning; asking questions

#899 - says she’s struggling with sili’s train of thought and has little experience with him

#901 - doesn’t say much; says she won’t be able to catch up

#903 - says lenlo makes sense to her when he’s scum

Apparently zander is towny again in #916, with no reason given

 

Then there’s more posts about how to iso, and she asks questions that are and are not answered. Seems her thoughts were focused on dice, darthe; says to do iso on lily.

#975 – doubts on sili

#982 – has “Lenore” and zander both in town mindset now

 

8 Jun (D1, N1)

#1513 – comes into thread commenting on the length again so… doesn’t really mean anything

From there on she seems to be pushing Zander, which is fine for a town to do, and on darthe in #1560. If we keep in mind that we only found out their alignments later, this isn’t too strange yet.

This post is quite interesting - #1568 – she questions darthe. What I find interesting is darthe’s comment – he said that if seph is wolf, he’s wrong on bfg.

Avoids answering a question here #1637 but not in a way that’s alignment indicative imo

In #1646 she talks about someone who isn’t in this game. Not sure but I don’t think that’s alignment indicative either. She fixes herself in #1676

#1672 doesn’t completely make sense. She apologises in #1704

 

I agree with her in #1717 that zander didn’t have very good reasons for wanting to lynch her.

She further pushes zander in #1747 who is one of her scum reads here, I believe, so I see that as towny.

She then shows how tired she is in the following posts… Upon waking up she complains about the number of posts again, and the search function again.

In #1923 she states that her top scum read is seph. The above about zander is then no longer valid. She could just have been pushing him to see his response, although she didn’t strike me as someone who does that. Also possible that she was tired and irritated  that he wasn’t answering her effectively enough. mmm. and with suspicions on lenlo, dice and darthe. The dice and darthe hasn’t changed from the beginning of her posts so that’s consistent.

 

It’s only the second day she’s posted so I’m not going to think it’s too strange yet. I believe a town would change their mind on someone quite a bit (Something learned from sooh )

 

9 Jun (N1, D2)

She says she voted seph (#2774). But she did not. However, looking at the last post she posted before leaving, seph was her top scum vote so I believe her when she says that she thought she had voted. Then she goes to bed.

 

10 Jun (D2)

She’s back and starts the day with a vote on niniel in #3277 – apparently to test out a theory. Who knows what the theory was. She also states that she will stop complaining about the number of posts and asks us to colour questions to her. That did not happen, lol.

Some AtE in #3287 but she did say she was ranting so I accept it as non-alignment indicative.

Then there are some posts where she’s annoyed with the idea of a 24 hour day… and so forth.

She unvotes in #3307 due to a 24 hour day being too short. Still no mention of the theory she had. I don’t think that reason counts. Scummy.

Answers BFG thoughts on her different play in #3310 which seems fine and true. Her annoyance has been clear.

#3311 – finally states her theory, which is weird and makes a bit of sense at the same time. She says she gives up on catching up again.

#3381 – She states that her seph vote has been coming from the beginning. I don’t think I ever saw that though. Maybe I just didn’t notice it. Then on Zander she says she started off reading him town, and then he became scum for her. her reasoning doesn’t really make too much sense, and sounds like omgus. I thought her being tired explained why she was upset with him but, being in a new day and having had time to think about it? well it obviously wasn’t that she was tired. scummy? That being without the fact that we know zander was town. I didn’t take the latter into consideration when saying that this seems scummy.

 

#3385 – She says she could have “accidentally” helped lynch niniel. Now this, does not make sense to me. You can’t place a vote on someone that you don’t actually want lynched and then go to bed ??? Euhm???

#3525 – she votes dice because of very odd reasons. Apparently if niniel and dice are both scum, then both should have a wagon? According to me, we should lynch one wolf at a time. Get rid of them asap. Knowing what we know now, she saved niniel from a lynch. Knowing what we know now, hallia tried protecting her and failed. Knowing what we know now, saving her from being lynched (even by accident) didn’t help much. Well, she changed to dice for scummy reasons (scummy cause it makes no sense to me), and from there dice was lynched. Who we now know was town.

 

I agree with her thoughts on Kat’s gameplay here #3546. I think I might have to iso kat when I have time – maybe tomorrow.

 

11 Jun (D2, N2)

#4197 – states that she hopes that bfg is town

Then there’s some fluff posts… and more of them

#4224 - gives a reason for not wanting to do a reads list. Not alignment indicative imo. She also feels that hallia and sili are town.

#4238 – after bfg also stated the strange dice vote (which I also noted above), she tries explaining it. she says she has been poking him since d1, which is true. but that doesn’t explain why she decided to vote dice because of “if both are mafia then why aren’t both wagons climbing”.

#4245 – she states that she’s going to rethink her town read on wish because apparently wish is playing differently…??? This is an omgus statement, imo. Not sure it’s alignment indicative

I like her questioning in #4248

#4254 – adds bfg to her town reads for raisins

She gets really active in the thread after that. Questioning and answering everyone present, which is towny. She also makes jokes…

#4262 - good and bad reasoning in the same post. Well, not bad, just odd – she adds another reason for going off niniel: “which is why I unvoted her when i realized my test vote could get her killed before I had a chance to test my theory. And the point I was at in the thread, she was L-1 from getting lynched and I was afraid that if people didn't back off of her she'd be hammered before anything could be tested further.” My problem with this is that at L-1 for niniel she voted dice. She unvoted niniel when niniel only had 3 votes (she quoted it herself just before, post #3293); and because a 24 hour day wasn’t enough to test her “theory”. Is this the third time she gave a different reason for the not-niniel/yes-dice vote?

 

Correction. I checked the thread. Niniel had 5 votes, including liz’s, which is L-3. her unvote makes it L-4. Her reason for “accidental lynch” is a bit better when she was L-3, but in total? Taking into account the other reasons and so forth? meh.

 

#4282 – votes lenlo. Lenlo did post some odd things there but I’ll iso him after lily.

Gives a relatively good reason on why she made bfg town in #4291.

 

12 Jun (D3)

Her post #4312 is consistent with her entire gameplay (same reasoning and such). Towny, I think?

In total she seems a lot more confident now – is that alignment indicative? She’s still continuing about how she wants a better search function on DM (lol).

She’s pushing lenlo (#4333 as example), and has sili on her radar (#4334).

She’s asking questions and seems town in #4375

This time, she’s taking her time with voting and thinking it through (example #4440), which is also towny, imo.

She’s taking the time to explain herself properly (example #4443), which I also think is towny…

 

I’m adding her to the light scum spectrum simply because she seems to be very town today. Has she changed her game to save herself, or has she simply had a bad week (#4444, and she has said she’s felt bad many times previously in the thread) and is only getting into the game now? Is her WIM kicking in? I want to see what she does in the next few days, or at least until D4.

Feel after read/iso: She’s more scummy than town (see the bolded parts in the iso for my reasons). I’ve not seen anything really scummy from her today though… but I definitely add her to my scum spectrum for some of the things on the previous days. The lightly scummy spectrum though – also bolded reason in the iso.

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aww shnap i'm sorry 

 

I'm not sure what went wrong in that coding

[LilyElizabeth]

  On 6/12/2016 at 11:25 AM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 11:18 AM, alannalynn said:

If anyone's keeping count, I'm 100 pages behind. lol

Lol, I got to page 50 yesterday

 

 

I still haven't read pages 90 - 110. But I did read a lot of the posts in my ISOs, I think. 

[Guest]

Could you please fix it for me, Key? It's a wall of text atm

[Sili Quirrels]

Ill go read that further later

[LilyElizabeth]

  On 6/12/2016 at 3:55 PM, Lizabeth said:

@LilyElizabeth, my name twin - any more thoughts?

 

@Katioria - where are you today?

 

I'm catching up right now. I'll probably give more thoughts when I'm caught up. 

[LilyElizabeth]

Thanks for that ISO, Besie. Liz has been feeling more scummy to me of late, and I'm glad to know I'm not the only one. 

[LilyElizabeth]

What is WIM? I've seem it a lot in thread and can't figure it out.

[LilyElizabeth]

I'm still in my gut feeling range. As the game progresses, I should get more reasons for my thoughts than just that. 

 

WTL - Wish and Liz today. Honestly not sure about Lenlo. 

 

Not going to vote until I see a vote count. I think there may have been one this morning. I'll go check. 

[Guest]

Responding here first 'cause it's most recently asked. I'll get to the other ones soon.

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 6:15 PM, BFG said:

Ok Besie, can you talk me through your reaction to Niniel's claim?

 

Starting at the beginning.

 

1 - I came into the thread and she was a lynch train so I:

2 - iso'd her here - and thought she seemed scummy for the reasons stated, which is why I had no problem with

3 - voting her here, start D2. I had no problem keeping my vote on her for the same reason I had a problem with Liz's vote on Dice as I explained in my iso of her. I wanted to get rid of one scum, and then try to find another. I was asked about it and I explained it here - same thing. I also started doing iso's on other players who I thought may be scum, based on both other players thoughts, and (mostly) my own gut feels.

4 - then she was at L-1. I was knee-deep in my next iso and... I freaked out. And unvoted here. I think my mind just couldn't cope - i explained it here. I did not feel ready for the game to continue - simply because I did not have any other solid scum reads at that point in time.

5 - And then exactly 5 minutes passed, and I voted her again. I reasoning is there, and is the same reason as in #3 here.

6 - Then she claimed. I've stated many times how I feel about claiming. I don't understand it; it doesn't make sense to me. I also still remember the lectures I got in the previous games for believing claims (VT, mind). So I didn't change my vote. Instead I went off to find possible proof that she might be lying. Like me asking why she didn't claim during D1 when she was at L-2. 

7 - people went at me hard. Apparently a doc claim is not the same as a vt claim. Liz said she had soft-claimed earlier (which i had taken to being almost like breadcrumbing, but apparently it was something different [stated in #8]) - and i trust breadcrumb. That was an actual fault on my side, and my reason was wrong there. But yeah, after that comment about soft-claiming I (grumpily) accepted the claim.

8 - I can't find the post right now, but the reason why i then stayed on her as town was because of Dice. He said that her soft claim had been her asking if she should claim. She had gone to bed whilst she wasn't near being lynched, and had asked if she should claim to not be lynched - apparently some had believed her. 

 

Thinking back, I still don't know why her train had gone up to L-2 if most people had believed her "soft claim" when she had asked if she should claim. ... 

 

I'm slightly confused about the last part now. Can someone explain it to me for shiggles and gits (since niniel is confirmed doc and it won't actually help the game play? ... unless we must look at everyone who added on to her train? after she had asked? why did the train fall apart at l-2?)

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  On 6/12/2016 at 7:04 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

What is WIM? I've seem it a lot in thread and can't figure it out.

 

I can't remember exactly what it stands for but it's the Will to Win basically.

[BFG]

  On 6/12/2016 at 6:59 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

Thanks for that ISO, Besie. Liz has been feeling more scummy to me of late, and I'm glad to know I'm not the only one.

 

Actually going the other way with me

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 7:04 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

What is WIM? I've seem it a lot in thread and can't figure it out.

Want it more

[LilyElizabeth]

Thanks, Besie

 

Vote Wish

 

Based mostly on Kat's case, I admit, but it doesn't look good for her. 

[LilyElizabeth]

  On 6/12/2016 at 7:12 PM, BFG said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 6:59 PM, LilyElizabeth said:

Thanks for that ISO, Besie. Liz has been feeling more scummy to me of late, and I'm glad to know I'm not the only one.

 

Actually going the other way with me

 

Today, she's been okay, but I mean generally lately, like yesterday. 

[BFG]

ok Besie, I may be misremembering something about end of day, but why didn't you self-pres vote?

[Guest]

  On 6/12/2016 at 11:46 AM, Clovdyx said:

Besie/Alanna - why are you so confident he's town? I don't disagree, necessarily, but I have a lot less confidence after looking at the argument he had with Lenlo. It seems more like he's pushing Len for not trying than because he legitimately thinks Lenlo is mafia.

 

If sili actually believs Len is scum, I feel like he ought to have just posted whatever it was Lenlo was asking for to shut him up.

 

I think you're talking about sili here.

 

I had sili as town on pure gut when I joined the game. I did say it was a feel.

I feel like a maf will be more informed during the game than to post something like this. It might be fake, sure, but I don't think so, in this case.

I was in his game where he was sk, and he did have me fooled - as I said here. 

Even with the above two points into account, I still include him in my town core, and my reason is here.

 

Yes, my main reason for not tinfoiling too much at this moment is because I believe an sk plays as town, as stated in that post.

This thought was confirmed by both sili and (kind of?) liz.

 

 

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  On 6/12/2016 at 4:00 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

I thought u said sk and town play similar. Thats true.

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 4:04 PM, Lizabeth said:

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 4:00 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

I thought u said sk and town play similar. Thats true.

Who is that addressed to?

 

If it's me, I didn't say that. I don't actually believe that. The SK in the Orphan Black game that I referenced have had an ongoing argument about whether or not 3P can play with a purely town mindset :P

 

I think it's easier to appear town as SK, but I think there are little mindset slips that give nontown away...

 

 

  On 6/12/2016 at 4:00 PM, Sili Quirrels said:

I thought u said sk and town play similar. Thats true.

 

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sorry for yet another spoiler fail

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  On 6/12/2016 at 7:20 PM, BFG said:

ok Besie, I may be misremembering something about end of day, but why didn't you self-pres vote?

 

Mmmm? Do you mean between Dice and myself? I didn't even think that it might seem that way. iirc I didn't have a vote on at that stage - I believed Dice was town and didn't want to vote him. In the end I voted Kat - which served no purpose at all (as Hallia pointed out to me lol)

[Guest]

  On 6/12/2016 at 3:44 PM, Lizabeth said:

Okay, I stopped being lazy and looked it up.

 

Besie and Hallia - what was Sili like when he played SK in the Lost mafia game?

 

(and I'm sad I only have 3 names on my quotes/mentions notification petition...)

 

I think I explained it as best I can here. He posted a LOT, just like here. I don't believe that's alignment indicative at all. It's the content - both there and here he posts randomly. He was more random there though. Things like sharing random opinions on random things - in general, he was constantly trying to get us to second guess our reads, or thinking of new things. Looking back, it was rather entertaining, actually. I've not really seen him adding so much WIFOM here, tbh.

 

That'll add more to the answer for you, Clov, as well.